Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Thomas Baden-Riess wrote:

dawnie_c wrote: Seriously why don't you believe that things happen as you are told?

Brilliant, if Carlsberg did irony. That should be put up as a forum banner

chirpyinsect wrote:
So if I understand you correctly. you are saying we should just accept that everything we are told by officialdom is the way it happened. OK let`s begin with Hillsborough. Did that happen the way we were told?
If we are to accept that what TPTB tell us happens is gospel then we may as all well go home and read the MSM, listen to the BBC and behave like good little citizens.
And I object most strongly to being called a nut job because you believe everything you are told by the government that pays your wages.
I did not intend to finish the Christmas good spirits on here by having to defend my right to question anything I don`t accept. If you chose that path that is up to you but please respect others who prefer to look deeper.
Tell me why Dunblane is under 100 year lock down. Explain Sandy Hook.

dawnie_c wrote:. Please people don't take life so seriously. It doesn't mean u are stupid just because you don't want to live your life questioning every bloody thing you are told. Life is too short to be stuck on this shit. Go and enjoy it before you are gone!

Rob Royston wrote:

dawnie_c wrote:. Please people don't take life so seriously. It doesn't mean u are stupid just because you don't want to live your life questioning every bloody thing you are told. Life is too short to be stuck on this shit. Go and enjoy it before you are gone!  

But life is serious. For some people around this World it is deadly serious and we cannot enjoy our lives when we are aware that our governments are responsible for the destruction of the lives of innocents.

Fifty years ago, beginning my apprenticeship, I was told not to believe anything I heard and only half of what I saw, in other words question everything as things are seldom what they appear to be, work things out for yourself as much as possible and thus become trusting in your own judgement. Today, education is geared to teach people to follow the rulebook, don't question why just look for the laid down procedures and get on with it. If we were to teach people in the old fashion today we would need to tell them not to believe anything they saw either as it will usually be in video format and we all know what can be done with pictures and videos.

People can enjoy life and still spend some of their time searching for truth and justice. It's the balance that's important. That balance can sometimes mean that more time than normal is spent on a particular subject that troubles us. This is how it should be, an enquiring mind should be the norm, unfortunately a lot of people have their minds shut down through their education and through the constant bombardment of misinformation by the media.

dawnie_c wrote:

chirpyinsect wrote:
So if I understand you correctly. you are saying we should just accept that everything we are told by officialdom is the way it happened. OK let`s begin with Hillsborough. Did that happen the way we were told?
If we are to accept that what TPTB tell us happens is gospel then we may as all well go home and read the MSM, listen to the BBC and behave like good little citizens.
And I object most strongly to being called a nut job because you believe everything you are told by the government that pays your wages.
I did not intend to finish the Christmas good spirits on here by having to defend my right to question anything I don`t accept. If you chose that path that is up to you but please respect others who prefer to look deeper.
Tell me why Dunblane is under 100 year lock down. Explain Sandy Hook.

What is tptb?

The only person making u finish your christmas like that is you. Dont take it all so seriously.

I'll reply tomorrow if I can be bothered.

And as for Sandy hook! One of the sickest conspiracy sever started.

I don't work for the government now they do not pay my wages. I said I used to. So you accuse civil servants of all being corrupt?

Oh and no you didn't understand my post correctly.

chirpyinsect wrote:

dawnie_c wrote:

chirpyinsect wrote:
So if I understand you correctly. you are saying we should just accept that everything we are told by officialdom is the way it happened. OK let`s begin with Hillsborough. Did that happen the way we were told?
If we are to accept that what TPTB tell us happens is gospel then we may as all well go home and read the MSM, listen to the BBC and behave like good little citizens.
And I object most strongly to being called a nut job because you believe everything you are told by the government that pays your wages.
I did not intend to finish the Christmas good spirits on here by having to defend my right to question anything I don`t accept. If you chose that path that is up to you but please respect others who prefer to look deeper.
Tell me why Dunblane is under 100 year lock down. Explain Sandy Hook.

What is tptb?

The only person making u finish your christmas like that is you. Dont take it all so seriously.

I'll reply tomorrow if I can be bothered.

And as for Sandy hook! One of the sickest conspiracy sever started.

I don't work for the government now they do not pay my wages. I said I used to. So you accuse civil servants of all being corrupt?

Oh and no you didn't understand my post correctly.

Then please explain your post without putting words in my mouth. Where did I accuse all civil servants of being corrupt? The Christmas good spirits are well and truly over if you go around calling others lunatics. Did you think no one would take you up on that?
You mention Sandy Hook as a sick conspiracy so they do exist then? Sometimes, for reasons we are not made aware of, governments do things for nefarious purposes. Fear is the biggest controlling factor a government can use to keep its people in check. What better way than to threaten our children?
The lust for power corrupts humanity and the fear of losing it makes politicians vulnerable. People with chequered pasts make the best puppets for those who wield the real power in our society.
You claim never to have witnessed a cover up in your working life. Doesn`t that just mean they never let you know about it?
Most people who question what goes on in this world do so with consideration. Most people open their eyes to the evidence around them and most people are not nut jobs as you so insultingly stated. We are just not prepared to accept that if something smells of sea bass it isn`t always fish.


I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.

Mimi wrote:I didn`t realise Sandy Hook was just an exercise - mind you I haven`t kept up with this case.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/

Mimi wrote:10 False Flag Operations that shaped our world (and kept USA powerful !) by Joe Crubaugh

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/10_False_Flag_Operations.html

Guy Fawkes is also said by some to be a false flag - James I wanting to garner hatred for Catholics.

dawnie_c wrote:


I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.

wlbts wrote:Speaking as somebody who has been through education and attained a degree within the last 15 years, I can't agree with that.  Sounds like the old 'university of life' and 'school of hard knocks' line to me.  I know many people with various levels of degree, and they are virtually all good critical thinkers.  That old 'the more educated you are the less common sense you have' thing isn't remotely true.  Intelligence is good for lots of things, not just remembering facts.  And the 'nerd' stereotype is just something that the TV and film industry has created.  Hmm, here's another film with a bunch of kids, I wonder which one is the clever one?  Oh that's right - it's the one with the mad (or slicked back) hair, and glasses that are held together with a plaster.

@dawnie_c - I can see where you're coming from.  I only veer towards 'conspiracy theories' when I've seriously researched the evidence, and found the evidence to be overwhelming.  For me that includes the McCanns, and 9/11.  I don't automatically assume that governments or 'secret agencies' are behind everything.  It's not my default position - I require evidence first.

I would add to that though that I don't automatically assume that governments (or the media) always tell the truth either.  Far from it.  Like I said, I'm a curious person and I form my conclusions from evidence.

WLBTS you seem to understand what I am trying to say, whilst I'm struggling to explain it. The next bit isn't aimed at you.

Yes things are covered up. I get that. (Hillsborough)

Yes people tell lies. I get that. (McCanns)

Isn't it just as simple as individuals are trying to save their necks?

When I use the word conspiracy I don't mean it as every lie ever told.

I mean it as Sandy Hook (never happened). 9/11 (the US government plotted it) London Bombings (haven't read what people think is wrong with that, not going to) The Royal Family (lizards and paedofiles), the moon landings (happened in a studio), JFK (the secret services did it).

The Police and Government are all covering up for the McCanns.

I mean really? Logic and common sense flying out the window.

TB is prime example of supposed educated man. Thick as shit. Not an ounce of common sense. To the point of dangerous. A disciple of David Icke. Except back in the day David Icke was laughed at. The likes of TB are now taken seriously.

I'm going to give an example of how things worked in the civil service in my day. My boss, being top of their department would naturally receive the letters from concerned general public. As secretary I would open, read them and pass them on to relevant people to reply. Boss person cannot realistically reply to these. More important things to do you understand that. You would get the Tony Bennett's of this world writing on a weekly basis. Wanting to know the ins and outs workings of my bosses arse. Not accepting any reply given. Cos we were lying. Taking up hours of the day, trying to find a suitable reply that would passify them. They don't need to know every bloody minutiaie of what goes on. You can't tell them everything. Some things can't be explained and are confidential for very good reasons. Not to try to pull the wool over anyones eyes. Just because it is. So when I see him over there sending in yet another FOI request I know exactly what that department is thinking.  Yes we say it. The loon has written in again! Who's turn to reply this time? That is real life people. That is how things work.

Does that go some way to explain where I am coming from?

Thomas Baden-Riess wrote:

dawnie_c wrote:


I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.

The non-conspiracy theorists can never argue, though in fairness to them it's just cognitive dissonance, and I've had it myself as well plenty of times in the past.