Re: Here we go again.........McCanns to fund hunt for Maddie The Sun 29/3/15

Guest Sun 29 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm

Remember what the Blacksmith said.

Blacksmith Bureau wrote:Has the court ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay € 1 200 000 damages?

If so he weeps, Kate and Gerry exult and the kids get a pound of flesh from the deal. Otherwise they’ve lost their claim.

Has Goncalo Amaral been ordered to pay interest on the damages backdated to 2009?

If so he gnashes his teeth and Kate & Gerry lose that hunted look. Otherwise they’ve lost their claim.

Has Goncalo Amaral been ordered to publish the trial verdict at his own expense for two consecutive days in a major Portuguese paper, a major UK paper and a major Portuguese and UK weekly in the fifteen days following the verdict?

If so Goncalo looks ashen and the McCanns as cheerful as when the balloons are popping. Otherwise they’ve lost their claim.

Has Goncalo been ordered to pay the legal costs of both sides?

If so Goncalo is potless and the couple are spotless. Otherwise they’ve lost their claim.

Once it becomes known just what the McCanns wanted from Amaral I believe the public will be cynical toward them.

Poppy Sun 29 Mar 2015, 10:01 pm

If Amaral wins I doubt the British public will hear zilch about it,and if OG winds up after £10 million pound's with no results then it makes one wonder just what will a paltry £1 million of the McCann's money achieve in finding there Daughter.

Dee Coy Sun 29 Mar 2015, 11:44 pm

Poppy wrote:If Amaral wins I doubt the British public will hear zilch about it,and if OG winds up after £10 million pound's with no results then it makes one wonder just what will a paltry £1 million of the McCann's money achieve in finding there Daughter.

Poppy, I agree.

As for the £1M,there's ulterior motives for that "gesture", imo.

Poe Mon 30 Mar 2015, 7:41 am

My first reaction was that a million seems an oddly specific amount and if they're prepared to spend a million, how much have they got hidden away out of reach that they aren't prepared to use.

My second thought was that the McCanns don't realise how shameful it makes them look to have financially profited from their daughter's misfortune.

It's all about the money. It's only ever been about the money.

Poor Madeleine. Crying or Very sad

Cristobell Mon 30 Mar 2015, 9:37 am

chirpyinsect wrote:
costello wrote:Exclusive by Mike Hamilton

The parents or Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter if police halt their investigation. Kate and Gerry McCann both 47 , of Rothley Leics, fear public donations have dried up as the search approaches its eighth anniversary. So they have pumped almost £1 million into a fund for Madeleine that would be running at a loss without their cash. The money came from Kate's book about Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal in May 2007 and the search for her. A top cop suggested this week the £10 million police probe into the case should be wound up. Met Police Federation chairman John Tully said "We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world"
Call me cynical but is this what the whole idea was in the reporting of the winding up of the investigation? Get the poor public to donate their hard earned cash in case the search is wound down.
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Every now and then it is good to remind ourselves how cynical this pair are. Here is a transcript of an interview given a year after M disappeared.
Note the part where they ask for the public to tell them what they may have reported to the police.

By Nick Britten

7:00PM BST 01 May 2008

Gerry, talking about the launch of a new campaign, said: This is something we've been working behind the scenes. We knew there would be massive media attention and we wanted to capitalise on that.

The documentary is a platform and told a bit of a story about where we're at. We want to bring the focus back completely to what this is about – finding Madeleine.

Kate: There has been that much speculation. I find it upsetting for our family but it's upsetting for Madeline.

Gerry: There so much noise you can't tell the noise from the real messages. Any angle leads to column inches when it doesn't deserve it.

When you think about the last five months how much new information - there's very, very little and we need to focus is back on what people do know and what are the real issues here.

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Q: Is this the best hope now of finding Madeleine?

Kate: I'm not sure about that but the media interest will wane without any developments and I guess you've got to use this opportunity. We need that information and we strongly believe that information is out there, somebody knows something.

Dubbing today "May Day for Madeleine", Gerry said: It's the last chance to capture a lot of the information that's gone into the investigation that we're not privy to and clearly we need to know everything that's been done. What we're asking people to do is if you've given information to police, Crimestoppers, Portuguese police, we're asking you to give it to us as well.

We're a year down the line and seemingly no closer to finding Madeleine. We've got little bits of jigsaw but huge gaps.

We have set aside considerable resources on this task and we have processes set up and ready to go but of course we don't know what information has been generated.

I personally don't think running stories on Madeleine makes that much difference. Her image is everywhere.

It's about that key bit of information - someone has it but they might not necessarily put it together.

At this time, a year on, it's to try to jog people's memories. Portugal is a small country, she could have been moved, we've clearly got an international case and we're desperate for information.

There are people who haven't come forward who might have been involved on the periphery.

Q: When the arguido status is lifted will this story go away?

Kate: Being made arguido has not helped the search for Madeleine. I'm sure when the arguido status is lifted it will be a major development and huge headlines.

Q: There is lots and lots of media coverage but has it helped the searched?

Gerry: A lot of people think Madeleine is dead. Today is about us stating our absolute categoric belief that there is no evidence that Madeleine has been seriously harmed.

Q: How do you feel Madeleine?

Kate: It's a sense really, Madeliene is very close, it's kind of a sensation that she's there. You try and be objective and think that it's just because I'm her mum and because I want to believe.

Gerry: The more research we've done and the more we've looked into these types of cases the stronger my belief is now that there's a better chance Madeleine is alive.

The bulk of data is actually based from the US. From the 115-a-year stereotypical kidnappings by strangers 40-50 per cent are killed, which means that the majority are not killed. The younger the child the less likely is that child will be seriously harmed or killed.

Madeleine really is the right low limit. We've not said it's impossible. How many of the children who are never found and assumed to be dead are actually being brought up somewhere else? It's frightening to think of Natasha Kampusch (held for eight years) and Shawn Hornbeck (four years) and other kids...

Kate: The story in Austria shows how people can go off the radar. But they are still there and you owe it to that erson to keep looking.

It still give you hope, it's horrible to think of the length of time and stuff and you think of a year ago. Imagine what it would have been like to get to a year, it would have killed me. A few days at that point were forever but it [Elisabeth being found] gives you hope and it could be today, tomorrow or next week and you've got to keep hold of that hope.

Gerry: It all gives you hope. People want to help. She's a completely innocent child and surely we can find her if everyone pulls together. Whatever anyone thinks of the situation Madeleine is innocent and she's a child.

When we went to Washington and spoke to the people who had the most expertise we came out thinking she is out there.

Gerry: There's a really good chance she is still out there, based on years of experience of missing and abducted children

What Earnie Allen's (national center for missing and exploited children in Washington) exact words were are there are a host of scenarios by which Madeleine could still be out there.

The experts are saying there is a strong chance Madeleine is out there but its back to what we need to do which is address the situation: Who took her? Is that person alone? If they are alone they don't live in isolation, they live in a town, in a holiday resort, they interact with people and they might have accomplices we don't know what motivates them.

They have to shop, they have to buy things. People have got a description of a man. It's trying to find a link somewhere, we feel incredibly passionate about it.

Kate: Even people who are classed as loners are known as the loner down the road.

About Sean and Amelie:

Sean and Amelie talk about her constantly,. They include her in everything. They ask about her. They essentially still play with her and that's really heartening for us. A year down the line, our three-year-old twins still see it as that and if Madeleine walked in the door tomorrow they'd say which one do you want and play with her.

They would shout 'Madeleine's home, lets go and play'. She is still a huge part of their life and ours.

Explaining to them what has happened:

Kate: I've got my journal but we took advice and haev done everything that we thought was best for Sean and Amelie. A psychologist we spoke to said basically be honest. The problem is you haven't got a story to tell and can't fill in the facts.

Gerry: I hope she's back with us before they're of an age when they're on the internet and searching. We will face difficult decisions down the line and we are not forcing information on them.

As they ask the questions, they are being told straight and the situation now is still they know Madeleine is missing. They have some understanding of the concept of being lost and that people are looking for them and they say heartbreaking things to us like they're going to find Madeleine and bring her home.

Kate: They will say things like that because we talk about when Madeleine comes home.

About the new campaign:

Gerry: This is a local call number, no premium. It functions from abroad. My strong understanding is that will be a local call from abroad as well. People can leave information anonymously and we guarantee confidentiality.

Kate: We don't know what has been done and what hasn't been done (in the investigation). As parents not knowing what's being done, it gets to a time when we have to find out ourselves.

Gerry: We need to know and we want to know. The bulk of the information in the inquiry came from the UK. We knew there were thousands of leads that came through Crimestoppers and Leicestershire police.

The bulk of the people in Praia da Luz were British, Irish, Dutch and German. We need to co-operate with the authorities. We're not taking the law into our own hands. There will be jurisdictional issues.

We believe it's an international investigation and our investigation in independent. It's cross border and focused on finding Madeline.

Kate: We don't know what the Portuguese (police know)

Gerry: Who can object to us, a year down the line, diverting resources. It's a year. We're not being given information that people are under supervision - if so we'd be keeping very quiet.

People had a fair crack. We just want as parents to make sure everything possible is being done.

There's been a huge response. We don't know what came into Crimestoppers or Leicestershire. We have not had access and clearly we want access, what's been done and not been done.

Kate: We're not taking over the investigation but we're obviously trying to do something ourselves.

Gerry: We are running an independent investigation and we believe it is an international enquiry and we will direct as much resources as we've got available into following up every lead.

Any information coming in will be scrutinised, graded, followed up and acted on.

Kate and I have been working behind the scenes on this with a few core people to launch today. There has been a considerable degree of planning over several weeks.

We need every call. Every bit of information is important to us. Considerable resources are being directed into this.

We might be overwhelmed.

There might be multiple reasons why people have not come forward. In isolation it might not mean anything but it might when you look at the bigger picture.

Kate: I hope its not a bind for people and they will understand but can you give it again and there might be some key information in there. Maybe it might make this move.

Gerry: We have a right to information and what has been done to our daughter and if we are not given the information we will try and do anything. Anybody who has contacted any authority should contact us.

Q: How do you see her?

Kate: When you picture her it's memories. I don't speculate on what situation she's in. It's memories. I don't have any vision if where she is now.

I just sense her still being there. It's hard to explain really. It's a sensation, a feeling. It is comforting, very comforting, that she's that bit closer.

I have not seen that interview before, thanks for posting ChirpyInsect Smile

Jeez, how brazen can they get? Asking people who have contacted the authorities to contact them! Their own 'investigation' - good heavens, no wonder the PJ (and all of us) were so suspicious of them. Is there any precedent for suspects leading their own investigation? Asking witnesses for the State to contact them? This case really is the Twilight Zone.

Cristobell Mon 30 Mar 2015, 9:58 am

costello wrote:Exclusive by Mike Hamilton

The parents or Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter if police halt their investigation. Kate and Gerry McCann both 47 , of Rothley Leics, fear public donations have dried up as the search approaches its eighth anniversary. So they have pumped almost £1 million into a fund for Madeleine that would be running at a loss without their cash. The money came from Kate's book about Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal in May 2007 and the search for her. A top cop suggested this week the £10 million police probe into the case should be wound up. Met Police Federation chairman John Tully said "We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world"

Very strange story. If every story put out by the McCanns has a purpose, I wonder what is the purpose of this one? I wonder if they are hoping for public sympathy by using their own money? If they are, then their lack of self awareness borders on insanity. It raises huge questions as to why the formerly broke Doctors, who used the Fund to pay their mortgage in 2007, now have a £1m in loose change to donate to their own Fund (note, they didn't promise to donate EVERYthing, just a million).

When Madeleine was launched in 2011 - the tagline was all royalties would be paid into the Fund. If the McCanns have a £1m in their own reserves to spare, then fibs (fecking great big porkies) have been told. If the money doesn't come from the book, have they been paid for all their guest appearances? Are they raking in cash in a similar way to reality TV stars, ie, through their 'celebrity' status by giving interviews to the media? Some might find it extremely distasteful if the parents have amassed a personal fortune from the disappearance of their child.

Having had a look at CMoMM, Sharon may have a point. That is, putting their cash into the Fund may protect it when the Libel verdict comes out. The McCanns are the Claimants, not the Fund, so if costs are awarded to Goncalo Amaral, they will appear 'broke'. They may even have signed their house over to the Fund. It is of course immoral and snidey on every level, but is it legal?

costello Mon 30 Mar 2015, 11:47 am

What I found strange about the Sun article is the mention of "a fund" and not the fund, there must only be one surely.

Burst Mon 30 Mar 2015, 1:44 pm

Stowing away mr Amaral's seized doe just before he gets the title to seize some of his back. That's how this sounds like to me, though you never know what's true and what's not that you read. But it sounds utterly criminal, especially while there's the hoax of the to be shelved investigation.

Poppy Mon 30 Mar 2015, 4:51 pm

I would bet my bottom Dollar,that the McCann's have been given the news that they have lost the trial against Amaral. Over the next few weeks I can see screaming News headlines, of how that incompetent,nasty Portuguese detective is still hindering the search for Madeleine by wanting to take Kate and Gerry's last £Million and last hope of finding and bringing home there precious Daughter,please visit findmargaret and Donate generously. Mad

Guest Mon 30 Mar 2015, 5:45 pm

Nigel Moore!!! Short piece in latest news in. Mccannfiles.com.

As Dr. Roberts pointed out years ago, ALL the money from the book should go to the Fund. The Sun tells us otherwise..

By Nigel Moore
Monday 30 March 2015

Readers who purchased madeleine by KATE McCANN may have done so in part because of the 'flash' sticker (actually part of the cover graphic) which promised: 'All royalties donated to Madeleine's Fund'.

Those same readers may now be somewhat surprised to read a report in the Sun on Sunday that 'The parents of Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter ... The money came from Kate's book about Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal in May 2007'.

Oh really?

Has money from sales of the book gone straight into the McCanns' private bank account(s), from where they have donated it to the fund - in which case how is that accountable and how do we know all the money has been donated?

Or is this simply another piece of emotive and creative writing from The Sun, on behalf of the parents, to counter recent reports that the Met investigation should be wound down?

Perhaps Kate and Gerry could enlighten us all.

cherry Mon 30 Mar 2015, 10:44 pm

Bampots Mon 30 Mar 2015, 11:18 pm

With Madeleine in lower case and KATE in upper!

Guest Tue 31 Mar 2015, 7:19 am

As Dr. Roberts pointed out quite some time ago, Transworld, the publishers are legally obliged to fulfill what they printed on the cover, otherwise it would be fraud!

Isn't that the case with whoever comes into contact with both money and TM?

' if you work with tar it will stick to you.' (Dutch saying)

Andrew Tue 31 Mar 2015, 7:59 am

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06248215

Changed address at the beginning of the month.

Also if look elsewhere a change of particulars for K Mccann.

Not unusual but fishy with the timing...

**Freedom** Tue 31 Mar 2015, 8:05 am

http://www.bwbllp.com/how-to-find-us-10-queen-street-place

It's the London office of one of the many McCann related companies, Bates Wells Braithwaite.

Andrew Tue 31 Mar 2015, 8:55 am

Freedom wrote:http://www.bwbllp.com/how-to-find-us-10-queen-street-place

It's the London office of one of the many McCann related companies, Bates Wells Braithwaite.

Not got time to have a proper look into it just yet.

Did hear something about it being King & Wood Mallesons (same address).

Who mainly practice in (among other things)

Insolvency and Restructuring.

Litigation and Dispute Resolution.

Mergers and Acquisitions.

Investment Management.

costello Tue 31 Mar 2015, 9:20 am

Andrew wrote:http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06248215

Changed address at the beginning of the month.

Also if look elsewhere a change of particulars for K Mccann.

Not unusual but fishy with the timing...

The Real Deal Steel@DaSteelMan

Has anyone got a link that says No Stone Unturned has moved its reg address please?
TY.#McCann.

Andrew Tue 31 Mar 2015, 9:33 am

MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED
Document: CH01 - Change of particulars for director
DIRECTOR'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / MRS KATE MARIE MCCANN / 01/03/2015
Filed on: 03 Mar 2015

MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED
Document: CH04 - Change of particulars for corporate secretary
CORPORATE SECRETARY'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / BWB SECRETARIAL LIMITED / 02/03/2015
Filed on: 02 Mar 2015

MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED
Document: AD01 - Change of registered office address
REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 02/03/2015 FROM
2/6 CANNON STREET
LONDON
EC4M 6YH
Filed on: 02 Mar 2015

AndyB Tue 31 Mar 2015, 10:06 am

Andrew wrote:MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED
Document: CH01 - Change of particulars for director
DIRECTOR'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / MRS KATE MARIE MCCANN / 01/03/2015
Filed on: 03 Mar 2015

So what's changed? Was she previously registered as Healey?

Andrew Tue 31 Mar 2015, 10:38 am

Not sure. Not prepared to pay £4.99 to find out.

PMR Wed 01 Apr 2015, 10:15 am

It's just empty BS is isn't it. As I've said elsewhere,I know lots of doctors across the range from most junior to GPs to consultants, I can't think of a one who could produce a million pounds from anywhere just like that. If it comes from the book profits it should already be in fund or there's some sort of deception gone on , and there's been no reports of for sale signs outside Rothley Towers .
However my main question is what is going to be done with this highly specific million. If it goes in the fund what will it be used for ? Private eyes? that went well before , media monitoring? What ? Or are they going to trot down to New Scotland Yard and say to Bernie Two Dads here you are keep OG going for another few months ?
Personally I feel that the libel trial verdict is near , the Mc's may know or suspect the result,it's a bit brazen to be moving assets now but can picture the 'Amaral has taken the money we were going to use to search for our daughter, now we may never find her 'spin

costello Wed 01 Apr 2015, 10:35 am

I am actually wondering if the Sun newspaper have any doubts about the fund, and this is their way of drawing attention to it. Just my thoughts.

PMR Wed 01 Apr 2015, 10:46 am

Could be I'm sure most people reading would think 'where did they get that much?' and maybe start asking questions. When the MSM turns on someone it turns hard, the Mc's need to be very careful

AndyB Wed 01 Apr 2015, 10:50 am

PMR wrote:I
Personally I feel that the libel trial verdict is near , the Mc's may know or suspect the result,it's a bit brazen to be moving assets now but can picture the 'Amaral has taken the money we were going to use to search for our daughter, now we may never find her 'spin

Or "look at this article - see we weren't moving assets about to frustrate Snr Amaral. It's a genuine investment in a genuine business. Honest. Such a shame that the verdict didn't come sooner ' cos then we could've paid him. "

Mo Wed 01 Apr 2015, 11:04 am

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Money_Money_Money..html

According to this post they aren't actually putting £1m in. My take on it is that they are topping it up to £1m. Have a read and see what you think.

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Here we go again.........McCanns to fund hunt for Maddie The Sun 29/3/15