CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007

froggy wrote:As he is saying that Gamble has questions to answer about this McCann page, he obviously doesn't consider there was a glitch.

Cheers froggy, nice and simple

PeterMac, ur just brill!

Resistor wrote:It's a very important topic and posters on both forums, and all the sceptic FB pages, should be working together on this one.  This is possibly the biggest breakthrough we have ever had.

I went over and read Blue Bag's post earlier today and I must say, if he has all the experience and qualifications s/he says s/he has, then he/she is hiding their intelligence very well.  Spelling out the word F A C T several times over will not make something a fact.  It's just stubborn and childish IMO and whatever point s/he is trying to make is completely lost.

Anyone is entitled to post facts.  I do not care whether it's the head of NASA or the bin man.  Anyone can pretend to be anyone or anything on a forum.  All I care about is whether the "fact" in question can be independently verified and in Blue Bag's case, no it cannot.

So for me, the status quo still stands until reliably proved otherwise.  Wayback captured a page called mccann.html on 30 April 2006 at 11:58:03.  Until someone can prove, with verifiable proof, that they did not.

To quote BB

I am a java programming expert (among many other branches of IT expertise) and I don't say that lightly.

Well I thought it was Javascript that was being referred to regarding the WBM. I know nothing and I don't say that lightly.

BB took a very robust stance on the last photo so has to protect that. If it is proved that WBM is accurate the LP is in question again.
I know it doesn't prove it is faked but it certainly means that the need to promote it as being taken on 3 May was so very important.
Let's say that this whole shebang was a planned hoax, then I have very strong suspicions the LP was also in place ready to go, along with fake coloboma photos.

Are there other accessible archiving machines ?

PeterMac wrote:Are there other accessible archiving machines ?

Coral Web Cache and Google Web Cache not producing anything. Google archives more recent stuff. Not sure about Coral

chirpyinsect wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Are there other accessible archiving machines ?

Coral Web Cache and Google Web Cache not producing anything. Google archives more recent stuff. Not sure about Coral

Not sure if any of this is of any use...

http://www.searchengineshowdown.com/others/archive.shtml

Snipped from the Roberts article linked above. I completely agree. Despite the backtracking from Wayback (and the absolute nonsense spouted by bluebag on the JH forum who is so full of hot air it's amazing he hasn't reached the moon by now) I would say that this is evidence that the abduction hoax was planned in advance.

And of course there are many other pointers to elements of pre-planning. The speed with which the fund was set up and Gerry's brother giving up his job to run it for starters.

My money is on a pre-planned abduction hoax (the UK version of Elizabeth Smart) which went wrong and/or was sabotaged by third parties at the last minute. I think TM were thrown to the wolves by third parties that week (possibly they got cold feet or became aware that more sinister agendas were operating) hence the contradictory witness statements; the implausibility of the Tanner sighting and many other mistakes and things that don't make sense.

Instead of bombarding the keepers of the Wayback Machine with questions concerning a problem they have never experienced, we should be asking Jim Gamble to explain how and why CEOP came to be preparing a ‘find me’ campaign for a girl who had yet to go missing.

Martin Roberts

For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

We should be asking Wayback, politely, no accusations or insults or demands, how October content can be rendered in a page ostensibly captured in April, not necessarily the CEOP one, but any page.  From a detailed, technical point of view.  Then continue down one particular path, depending on the response.

Although that's not going to happen now, because the whole world and the dog have gone stamping all over it in their big size 11s.  I doubt very much whether Wayback will be giving responses to anybody.  Ever again.

In a way it's sad that Isabelle and Lizzie wrote to them, because if they had backed off a wee bit and worded the questions properly, from a technical POV, we might have learned more than we have (which is precisely nothing at all).  However I do understand that these ladies were trying to help and did it for the best of motives.  Anyway, it's done now.  What we need is a properly detailed, technical explanation of how this works, if only to set the "glitch" and "mistake" camp 100% straight.

canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

Still does not explain why CEOP and Gamble got on board with such indecent speed!

Resistor wrote:

canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

Still does not explain why CEOP and Gamble got on board with such indecent speed!

Hallelujah I understand the WBM at last . An achievement as a total computer numpty.. This is massive

No wonder Jim Gamble seems to have gone into hiding . He has blocked all antis on twitter.

canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

If it was an accident, how would you explain the video of G on the balcony laughing his head off a few days later?....Trauma?!

Ah, so . . . A dummy page. Veeery cunning.
Just like the dummy CATS file, ready and waiting for something to be placed into it.
Ah, hang on
Gamble seems to be involved in both . . .

The only country I know of which actually DOES do this is France, where you register the birth of a child with the local Mairie,
and they give you the birth certificate, and open a Criminal record.

Which makes the process of finding a Frenchman's criminal record a bit tricky if he will not tell you where he was born.

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canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

If it was an accident, how would you explain the video of G on the balcony laughing his head off a few days later?....Trauma?!

I think it was in an interview that GA  stated that this took place whilst Gerry was awaiting word from possible kidnappers. Will try to find a link.

But surly Canada 12 that must mean Jim Gamble knew about the abduction before it hit the news channels? which means he knew she was going to be abducted. I'm

chirpyinsect wrote:

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canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

If it was an accident, how would you explain the video of G on the balcony laughing his head off a few days later?....Trauma?!

I think it was in an interview that GA  stated that this took place whilst Gerry was awaiting word from possible kidnappers. Will try to find a link.

Was he just shown a sketch of 'tannerman'.

canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

Can you explain what you mean by "dummy page"?

And Kate witnessed laughing her head off a few days later.

Well there's certainly some entertaining characters on the comm thread all qualifications and no brains

canada12 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't think it was a planned hoax.

I believe that Madeleine met an accidental death in PDL around April 30th, and that the page WBM crawled on CEOP was a dummy page set up by Jim Gamble while plans to create the "abduction scenario" were being worked out.

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I agree that Madeleine may well have had an accident or something untoward happened that week. Maybe several things happened. And it became imperative to cover it all up, for whatever reasons.

Detective Amaral believes that Madeleine had an accident that week. And he must know more than others.

But I guess an accident doesn't necessarily exclude a pre-arranged abduction hoax.

The role of Jez Wilkins in all this is of considerable significance. Amaral certainly considered him to be a very important witness.   Deleted as may be libellous.

From Truth of the Lie

P. 81 “The medical registries (of Madeleine) requested with insistence were not given to us, due to great difficulties raised in England”. P. 92 Attempt of extortion "Gerry McCann was sucking casually one lollipop while he was reading banalities in sites of the Internet and was talking about rugby and football with one of the English police officers.” Sentence of the English police officers “Do not forget that he starts cutting people in half shortly afterwards of the breakfast”.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/gonalo-amaral-excerpts-from-truth-of.html

Mimi wrote:From Truth of the Lie

P. 81 “The medical registries (of Madeleine) requested with insistence were not given to us, due to great difficulties raised in England”. P. 92 Attempt of extortion "Gerry McCann was sucking casually one lollipop while he was reading banalities in sites of the Internet and was talking about rugby and football with one of the English police officers.” Sentence of the English police officers “Do not forget that he starts cutting people in half shortly afterwards of the breakfast”.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/gonalo-amaral-excerpts-from-truth-of.html

Thanks Mimi. I also read a fuller version of it somewhere. I think there were 2 men being interviewed, one of them being GA, and this incident with the lollipop took place whilst they were awaiting a phone call from an extortionist but your link is great.

NO idea if this is pertinent but thanks to skyrocket over the way who found reference to ceop home page on archive.is



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Monday June 18, 2007

Global Online Child Abuse Network Smashed - CEOP lead international operation into UK based paedophile ring

An online trading ground for indecent images of children and live exchanges of abuse has collapsed following an international operation led by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre

The last 10 months of this complex investigation has resulted in the co-ordination of law enforcement agencies from 35 different countries and their subsequent, ongoing investigations – intelligence from which indicates that there were more than 700 suspects worldwide. The UK branch of the investigation centres around 200 suspects, the majority of which are currently subject to active police enquiries at this time. Further information can not be released until these enquiries have concluded.

To date, the international operation has led to 31 children being rescued from abuse or positions of harm.

‘Kids the Light of Our Lives’ was an Internet chat room dedicated to the sexual exploitation of children. Hundreds of members worldwide used it to trade a range of material, including photographs and videos of children being subjected to sexual abuse and serious sexual assault.

The man behind the network has been convicted at Ipswich Crown Court and now awaits sentence.

27 year old Timothy David Martyn Cox hosted the website from his home address in Buxhall, masquerading behind the online identity ‘Son_of_god.’ (1) When trading, he used the name ‘I_do_it’.

Cox was identified after intelligence linking the chat room to the UK was passed to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre by Canadian partners within the Virtual Global Taskforce (VGT) last August.

On receiving this information, specialist officers immediately began enquiries to trace the host, using a range of techniques and undercover online activity. Cox was located and subsequently arrested by officers from Suffolk Constabulary on September 28 2006. This allowed uncover officers from the CEOP Centre to infiltrate the room and gather valuable evidence.

Over a period of ten days, officers from the CEOP Centre and Toronto Police conducted online surveillance. They were able to identify further suspects and secure vital information regarding potential victims, before closing down the site.

When Suffolk forensic teams examined CoxÂ’s computer they found 75,960 indecent and explicit images in addition to evidence that he had supplied 11,491 images to other site users.

Cox was subsequently charged with 9 offences, relating to the Possession and Distribution of Indecent Images of Children.

In September last year, Gordon Mackintosh from Hertfordshire also became a key subject in the UK inquiry. The 33 year old attempted to resurrect ‘Kids the Light of our Lives’ following the Cox’s disappearance as Host. Officers from the CEOP Centre carried out extensive work to identify and locate the individual behind the usernames ‘silentblackheart and ‘lust4skoolgurls’. Alongside Hertfordshire Police, they arrested Mackintosh on January 9th 2007.

CEOP officers, alongside VGT partners from the Australian Federal Police, ICE (US Department of Homeland Security) and Toronto Police undertook 24 hour online surveillance to infiltrate the room for a second time and collate details of all the offenders attempting to trade material.

McIntoshÂ’s computer was found to contain 5,167 indecent and explicit images of children, in addition to 392 indecent movie files. He pleaded guilty to 27 charges of making, possessing and distributing indecent images and movies. He awaits sentence.

“Today’s verdict serves as a powerful warning to those using the Internet to facilitate the sexual exploitation of children,” said Jim Gamble, CEO at the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre and Chairman of the Virtual Global Taskforce.

“From the apparent ‘safety’ of his home, Cox spent hours each day planning, promoting and encouraging the abuse and exploitation of innocent young victims. In doing so he provided a service to hundreds of like minded individuals, enabling those with a sexual interest in children to share indecent images and discuss further plans for abuse.

“Any individual who thinks they carry out such horrific activities undetected is in for a very rude awakening. The belief that the Internet provides anonymity is unfounded and for Cox and Mackintosh it has already proved to be a costly misconception.

“Thankfully both are behind bars today. As predators become increasing sophisticated in their use of the Internet for exploiting young people, so too do the techniques we use to detect them. We will continue to work alongside local police forces and our law enforcement partners worldwide, to track and prosecute those who prey on young victims and to protect greater numbers of children from harm.”

Ends

Notes to Editors:

(1) The user name ‘G.O.D’ was originally used by the host of US based chatroom’s ‘Kiddypics’ and ‘Kiddyvids’. The host, a 49 year old man from Tennessee, was arrested and the chat rooms were closed down in March 2006. This investigation was known as ‘Operation Wickerman’ which was initially led by Canadian Police.
•Enquiries by the CEOP Centre continue, in association with the Virtual Global Taskforce and law enforcement agencies in the UK and abroad.
•The remaining suspects within this investigation are subject to active police enquiries at this time. Further details can not be disclosed for operational reasons.
•The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre works in both online and offline environments to protect children from sexual exploitation. Full information on all areas of work, as well as online safety messages and access to online reporting, can be found at www.ceop.gov.uk.
•The CEOP Centre is affiliated to the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) and powers are derived from the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005. It is based in Pimlico, London with developing outreach channels to all areas of both domestic and international policing. Specialist faculties are dedicated to operations, intelligence, education and victim identification.
•The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre is a member of the Virtual Global Taskforce. Other members include the Australian Federal Police, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Interpol. Further information is available at www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com
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CHILD ABUSE IMAGES, NOT ‘CHILD PORNOGRAPHY’

Use of the phrase ‘child pornography’ actually works to the advantage of child sex abusers:
•It indicates legitimacy and compliance on the part of the victim and therefore legality on the part of the abuser
•It conjures up images of children posing in ‘provocativeÂ’ positions, rather than suffering horrific abuse
•Every photograph captures an actual situation where a child has been abused. This is not pornography.
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chirpyinsect wrote:NO idea if this is pertinent but thanks to skyrocket over the way who found reference to ceop home page on archive.is

That's a good find by Skyrocket.

The mccann.html page is here: https://archive.is/https://web.archive.org/web/20070430115803/http://www.ceop.gov.uk/mccann.html



Unfortunately I don't think its going to settle anything 'cos it looks like there's enough in there for both sides to argue their case. I think it just proves that web.archive.org/web/20070430115803/http://www.ceop.gov.uk/mccann.html once existed, but we already know that

I just had a very quick look as I am heading off to work. It IS a good find by Skyrocket, but sadly I don't think it's going to help us much. I tried getting the page from 30/4 and it just redirects now to 27/4. It looks to be exactly the same Wayback machine, only accessed through a portal registered on an Icelandic domain. I'll have a good ferret round it later today though. Just in case, you never know

AND another thing......

WHY did CEOP get involved so quickly at all? Where was the evidence from the outset that Maddie was being exploited or abused online, if this were a straight-off kidnapping case by a childless couple or paedo ring Surely it would be up to the regular police forces at that stage?