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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jul 2015, 10:32 am

Bubblewrapped wrote:I find the dogs findings overwhelming, but am at a loss as to why Operation Grange has not taken the same course  scratch
Anyone with ideas ?

We don't know what course Op Grange has taken.  What we do know is that they obviously trust in the dogs as they recently took them over to PDL to search the area.  Now would they really use them if they didn't have faith in their abilities?

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Post  dogs don't lie on Wed 15 Jul 2015, 11:03 am

candyfloss wrote:They even think the dogs work on a 'no win no fee' basis



Jencalo_Amoral ‏@TheJENReturns  · 21 mins21 minutes ago  
Is this why PJ failed to pay any money for the dogs work?  Ask yourself was it a case of no result/no payment agreement? #McCann








Well sure that's just the funniest thing I've heard! That tweets silly, this person saying the PJ failed to pay money but the dogs still alerted, was those alerts for free then? Ha!

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Post  Châtelaine on Wed 15 Jul 2015, 11:24 am

LOL
Thanks for a good laugh today.

Not that I needed that - it's full-blown summer here with lots of friends and laughter :-)
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jul 2015, 2:05 pm

candyfloss wrote:
Bubblewrapped wrote:I find the dogs findings overwhelming, but am at a loss as to why Operation Grange has not taken the same course  scratch
Anyone with ideas ?

We don't know what course Op Grange has taken.  What we do know is that they obviously trust in the dogs as they recently took them over to PDL to search the area.  Now would they really use them if they didn't have faith in their abilities?
They took 4 dogs over.

They wouldn't of done if they thought they were all notoriously unreliable.
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Post  Andrew on Fri 17 Jul 2015, 7:58 pm

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-07-17/buster-the-raf-dog-who-saved-1000-lives-dies/
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Post  Bubblewrapped on Fri 17 Jul 2015, 8:49 pm

Andrew wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Bubblewrapped wrote:I find the dogs findings overwhelming, but am at a loss as to why Operation Grange has not taken the same course  scratch
Anyone with ideas ?

We don't know what course Op Grange has taken.  What we do know is that they obviously trust in the dogs as they recently took them over to PDL to search the area.  Now would they really use them if they didn't have faith in their abilities?
They took 4 dogs over.

They wouldn't of done if they thought they were all notoriously unreliable.

"Haut De 5A Garenne".
The dog didnt lie....Twice!!!
His handler walked away with £93000...
£20 Million was spent on the Jersey cover up...

Eddie simply did his job.
Dogs are very unreliable if the Establishment are involved...
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Post  Freedom on Mon 27 Jul 2015, 11:20 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgKKUOy_kZU

This is an old case from 1991 about a TV reporter who was shot dead on her own doorstep - no prizes for guessing who I thought of. However, with the help of a good old tracker dog, it proved easy to solve the case.
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Post  Guest on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 6:38 pm

Unreliable dogs find missing man.


http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Missing-man-sniffed-Hertford-police-dog/story-27499254-detail/story.html

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Another UNRELIABLE dog saving a human's life.

Post  PeterMac on Tue 11 Aug 2015, 8:19 am

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/597501/Susanna-Reid-Ben-Shephard-dog-woner-cancer-good-morning-britain

Susanna Reid meets the dog owner whose pooch saved her from lung cancer

SUSANNA REID and Ben Shephard met the dog owner whose pooch saved her from lung cancer.

By ADAM MILLER
PUBLISHED: 07:47, Tue, Aug 11, 2015 | UPDATED: 08:01, Tue, Aug 11, 2015

SUsanna stroked Ben Shephard as they met cancer survivor Coleen
During this morning's Good Morning Britain Colleen Ferguson brought her beloved dog into the ITV studio, explaining that she may have died if it wasn't for her Alsatian.
"I've got a best friend who saved my life," Coleen told Susanna and Ben.
"She's a very vocal, very noisy, very lively dog but all of sudden she would jump and become really still.

Coleen said the dog would simply linger about a millimetre away from which Susanna asked must have been "unnerving"
Coleen replied: "Yes and no because I've worked with dogs all my life but part of me thought was there something wrong with my teeth?
"The behaviour persisted and you're just aware of your dog lingering in on you.
"I didn't go the GP because I thought they'll laugh at me."
Luckily, Coleen had been working in a nearby school where she managed to save some money for a full body scan.
When the results came in her surgery asked her to come in "immediately".
"She picked it up at stage 1 which is very unusual. Lung cancer's a silent killer but I've never smoked I've never even bought a cigarette."
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Post  Andrew on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 8:42 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/use-dogs-instead-doctors-save-6478099
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Post  Châtelaine on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 9:09 pm

I may have mentioned before, but every morning I let out my dogs [present and past] they'll jump up and "kiss" me. When they linger at my nose or my eyes, I know I have to check on that ...
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Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 10:51 pm

Sorry, I wasn't happy with that!

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Post  Walt on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 9:06 am

Just seen an interesting link to cadaver dog training.

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/what-cadaver-dogs-are-smelling

Researchers are closing in on exactly what it is that cadaver dogs are sniffing for when they’re deployed. That uniquely human “smell of death” may be created when a combination of compounds, called esters, is released by a decomposing body, according to findings published in PLoS ONE this week.

When we and other animals decompose, a wide spectrum of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) is emitted into the environment. Previous work to characterize that smell had already identified a variety of compounds, but a specific marker for human decomposition hadn't been isolated.

So, University of Leuven’s Elien Rosier and colleagues examined the compounds that were released over the course of six months from the decomposing remains of six humans and 26 animals: rabbits, mice, moles, frogs, chicks, robins, a woodpecker, warbler, sparrow, song thrush, sturgeon, turtle, and of course, a pig. Pig remains are often used as human analogues because of we have similar hair coverage, weight, fat to muscle ratio, gut fauna and biochemistry. Organs from the human and pig remains were also removed and analyzed separately.

Because decomposition can be influenced by environmental factors ranging from temperature and humidity to soil type, the team placed the remains into glass jars in a lab environment at room temperature. The metal screw caps on the jars weren’t airtight in order to let oxygen enter, and they had a hole in them that made it possible for the researchers to periodically sample the headspace.

The team identified 452 compounds, and a specific combination of eight compounds distinguished human and pig remains from other animal remains. Furthermore, the researchers managed to separate the pig remains from human remains based on five esters – compounds found in fat and oils. If you’re curious, they are: 3-methylbutyl pentanoate, 3-methylbutyl 3-methylbutyrate, 3-methylbutyl 2-methylbutyrate, butyl pentanoate and propyl hexanoate.

Future work in the field with full bodies will be needed to corroborate these results. Having human specific markers could help better train cadaver dogs, making them more efficient and faster at locating bodies. Also, it might be possible to develop a portable device sensitive enough to locate human remains.
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Post  froggy on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 11:01 am

A scientific device, specific to humans, would be excellent for confirming what the dogs smell, particularly if human remains cannot be found at locations targeted by the dogs.
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Post  Guest on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 11:22 am

There are dogs - and even rats - that are trained to smell TB in urine samples, that conventional medical tests have missed.

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Post  Freedom on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 12:23 pm

Again to avoid any misunderstandings, Resistor is referring to tuberculosis!
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Post  candyfloss on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 12:32 pm

Freedom wrote:Again to avoid any misunderstandings, Resistor is referring to tuberculosis!
lol!

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Post  Guest on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 1:16 pm

I ventured into the Justice Forum for Madeleine McCann last night as it was very quiet on here, I do roam around occasionally just out of curiosity (well, really 'cos I'm just nosy), but it's unbelievable how much hatred there is for Martin Grimes and Eddie and Keela, they seem to go out of their way to discredit him and his dogs.  They come up with such stupid notions of what the dogs may have detected or how there isn't really any scientific backing as to what Eddie and Keela found.  They dismiss the fact that murder cases have been brought without any body being found but solely on what specialist dogs have found backed up by a court case.

Someone is even asking when was the first time that Eddie and Keela worked together, FFS, what difference does that make in the scheme of things.  They seem to be so desperate on the pro McCann sites that they're clutching at every straw they can find.

With reference to sniffer dogs finding bodies under water, I remember when April Jones first went missing, specially trained dogs were brought in that could detect bodies submerged in water, yet the pro McCann sites are in denial of what Eddie and Keela found.

No wonder Martin Grimes moved to the USA, I wonder if he was specially sent there to get him away from the clutches of the McCanns so they couldn't harass him.  GM went to his boss I recall, that is harassment in itself surely.  GM obviously wasn't happy with what evidence Martin Grimes discovered.


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Post  candyfloss on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 1:29 pm

It's what they do on twitter too DFM, they talk about 'coconuts', and think it so funny, diss Martin Grime, in fact libel him, and yet these dogs are a great asset to any police force.  I often think one day these people who spend their time rolling on the floor laughing about these superb animals  may one day God forbid need these dogs.   Very sad.  Of course as we know full well, the dogs are excellent at what they do, they cannot lie, and police all over the world would not use them, (as they cost thousands of pounds to train)....... if they were not reliable.

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Post  Guest on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 1:45 pm

By dismissing the fact that a dog found a piece of coconut/human skull is also dismissing the fact that many children may have died at Haute de la Garenne in terrible circumstances.  Teeth and other remains were found in a cellar, and children who were incarcerated at the children's home have told terrible stories as to what happened to them, some even committing suicide because they couldn't live with what they went through.

It seems these pro McCann shills are in complete denial as to what these specialist dogs can do, I sometimes wonder who these "shills" are who protect the McCanns so vehemently and what will they say if it comes out that they've been barking up the wrong tree (pun not intended).

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Post  froggy on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 2:27 pm

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:I ventured into the Justice Forum for Madeleine McCann last night as it was very quiet on here, I do roam around occasionally just out of curiosity (well, really 'cos I'm just nosy), but it's unbelievable how much hatred there is for Martin Grimes and Eddie and Keela, they seem to go out of their way to discredit him and his dogs.  They come up with such stupid notions of what the dogs may have detected or how there isn't really any scientific backing as to what Eddie and Keela found.  They dismiss the fact that murder cases have been brought without any body being found but solely on what specialist dogs have found backed up by a court case.

Someone is even asking when was the first time that Eddie and Keela worked together, FFS, what difference does that make in the scheme of things.  They seem to be so desperate on the pro McCann sites that they're clutching at every straw they can find.

With reference to sniffer dogs finding bodies under water, I remember when April Jones first went missing, specially trained dogs were brought in that could detect bodies submerged in water, yet the pro McCann sites are in denial of what Eddie and Keela found.

No wonder Martin Grimes moved to the USA, I wonder if he was specially sent there to get him away from the clutches of the McCanns so they couldn't harass him.  GM went to his boss I recall, that is harassment in itself surely.  GM obviously wasn't happy with what evidence Martin Grimes discovered.

I assume you are referring to ferryman. He certainly does spew a load of vindictive bile out about Grime and his dogs. He's not overly keen on Amaral either.

There seem to be a few fanatics on that site who seem to spend much of the day there, which is amazing as they admit to posting elsewhere as well. When do they sleep? Shocked
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Post  Guest on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 2:43 pm

It begs the question who is ferryman, or one or two others on that site.  It seems the McCanns must love them spewing all sorts of nonsense about the dogs and Martin Grime as I've never once heard K & G McCann disown these people.

To think that GM is/was sitting on a committee to do with the future health of children and nuclear power stations beggars belief when he can't even be truthful about the "disappearance" of his own child and he can dismiss dogs in detecting all sorts of things.

Dogs can now even detect cancer in humans, is that what may have put the creeps up McCann if he has anything to do with COMARE and cancer in children. That thought has just come to me as I was typing.

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Post  froggy on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 2:54 pm

He may not be on that committee any more. A current list of members can be found here
https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/committee-on-medical-aspects-of-radiation-in-the-environment-comare#membership

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Post  Guest on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 3:10 pm

froggy wrote:He may not be on that committee any more. A current list of members can be found here
https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/committee-on-medical-aspects-of-radiation-in-the-environment-comare#membership

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Thanks for that.  That's another question, was he pushed or did he jump. I've found this extract from a post from Joana Morais -

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/mccanns-links-to-government-as-origin.html

News Anchor Andreia Vale - The connections of the McCann family to the British government have always been viewed as one of the reasons for the heightened media coverage given to the case. Maddie's father worked for the government and would have aspirations of integrating the executive.

Voice over - From the news of the alleged abduction until the English police landed in Portugal was a matter of few hours. The proximity of the girl's father with the English government made it easier to give priority to the case and mobilize the necessary means. Gerry McCann worked in a committee for the Government which analysed the impact of Nuclear plants in the environment, at a time when Tony Blair was the prime minister. As a doctor, a cardiologist by profession, the "McCann father" wished to go further and everything suggested that he aspired to have a political office in the government, namely as health minister. The way in which he asked for help when Maddie disappeared also indicates the proximity with the British government. Gerry McCann would have called one of Tony Blair's aides, at the time an university professor. It is this man who takes the first steps in order to help the McCann family. Another name that appears is Clarence Mitchell, he came to Portugal to advise the McCann couple and to liaise with the media. In his CV was his role as the director of a department that monitored the press and all the news for the British government. He was also the head of the Comms Cabinet Office of Gordon Brown. Connections that succeed in sending to the Algarve dogs, experts, police, and various resources from the United Kingdom.


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I find the sentence referring to GM as aspiring to have a political office, namely as health minister, most intriguing.  I've never seen that mentioned before. I wonder where that information came from.


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Where is GM now ??

Post  bluebell on Sat 26 Sep 2015, 5:20 pm

https://www.omniamed.co.uk/meetings/london/cardiology/autumn2015


Dr Gerry McCann
Consultant Cardiologist; Glenfield Hospital and Honorary Senior Lecturer, Department of Cardiovascular Sciences, University of Leicester
Gerry McCann
Gerry McCann is a Consultant Cardiologist, having been appointed in 2005, and is a Reader in Cardiovascular Imaging at the University of Leicester and an executive member of the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Leicester Cardiovascular Biomedical Research Unit. He is currently undertaking a research fellowship funded by the NIHR and is a visiting fellow at the University of Oxford. Gerry is a graduate of the University of Glasgow where he also undertook postgraduate training and his doctoral research. Cardiology training included periods in Glasgow, New Zealand and Leicester before completing a fellowship in Cardiac MRI (CMR) in 2004 at the VU Medical Center in Amsterdam under the supervision of Prof. van Rossum. Dr McCann directs a very active clinical imaging research programme with funding from the British Heart Foundation, MRC and the National Institute of Health Research. Disease interests include coronary artery disease, heart failure and valvular heart disease. Dr McCann was the principal investigator of the Complete v Lesion-Only Primary PCI Trial MRI substudy (CvLPRIT CMR) that was funded by the NIHR.


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