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The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  froggy on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:28 am

Freedom wrote:So on the strength apparently of a hearsay report from an unidentified person, poor old Dino has been thrown to the wolves.



Probably.

SYP know the money is coming to an end and needed an exit plan that doesn't smack of failure.
What better than to claim they have inside information about Ben's location and go through an elaborate excavation to find it.
When that proves fruitless they can say 'we've done all we can, we know his body is there even though we can't find it and we know who did it'.
They then chalk this up as a success and go home.

Who can prove otherwise?

See http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1567-the-mystery-of-ben-needham for previous posts.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  seahorse on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:37 am

They have to explain this part from the book though:

"But now building work had stopped there  for the day, and they could eat undisturbed."
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Heisenburg on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 11:23 am

Freedom wrote:So on the strength apparently of a hearsay report from an unidentified person, poor old Dino has been thrown to the wolves.


More like poor old Ben has been thrown to the wolves,we haven't a clue young fella what happened but never mind we've found a patsy,rip.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 11:37 am

So the live update and 'final' police statement is in less than half an hour.

I assume it will be on the normal ITV Facebook link.

I'm extremely intrigued in exactly what DI Cousins is going to say...
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 11:49 am

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv 2m2 minutes ago
We'll be live on @itvcalendar Facebook in 15 mins with final police briefing on #BenNeedham search. #Kos
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:01 pm

Well I'm surprised it is a stand up conference at the farmhouse building site. Or maybe not...
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  seahorse on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:12 pm

They found a significant item that is directly linked to Ben on site 2. It was in Ben's possession at the time he went missing.


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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:15 pm

So they found something of significance belonging to Ben and directly linking it to him at site 2.

Won't say what it is and no further digging will be done.

I don't understand why they won't continue to search then if they are adamant that Ben is dead. scratch
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:21 pm

Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:22 pm

Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Nor me. Could it be something to do with the sandals?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Heisenburg on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:29 pm

chrissie wrote:
Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Nor me. Could it be something to do with the sandals?

Something that Ben obviously had with him,clothing perchance or indeed the sandals.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Freedom on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:31 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37676268#"
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  froggy on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:34 pm

So, professional belief.  No actual proof to support that belief.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:37 pm

Heisenburg wrote:
chrissie wrote:
Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Nor me. Could it be something to do with the sandals?

Something that Ben obviously had with him,clothing perchance or indeed the sandals.

Yeah, but what does that really prove though if they did indeed find his sandals?

It doesn't prove that Ben died.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:37 pm

froggy wrote:So, professional belief.  No actual proof to support that belief.

Unless not all information has been released, I'm not sure how Kerry can just accept that. I'm not sure I would.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Inca on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:38 pm

I'm finding it hard to believe, no closure at all the for the family, nothing definite just guess work? So sad.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:38 pm

Andrew wrote:
Heisenburg wrote:
chrissie wrote:
Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Nor me. Could it be something to do with the sandals?

Something that Ben obviously had with him,clothing perchance or indeed the sandals.

Yeah, but what does that really prove though if they did indeed find his sandals?

It doesn't prove that Ben died.

My thinking too. I just replied the same to froggy.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:42 pm

I'm just finding all this utterly bizarre.

It's just not making sense. At all.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  bluebell on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:43 pm

https://www.facebook.com/calendarnews/#


So they have something that was in Ben's possession that day and it was found at site 2 next to a 'dated item' from 1991?

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:45 pm

Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Exactly. The cars are only something Christine would know about anyway. Eddie only knew of these (and Ben wetting himself) on the 10 year Somebody Knows doc. Making the find right at the end of the dig at 2-3 feet under ground level? when the site was said to be 30 years old doesn't compute, either.

Sorry but this 'conclusion' is far too convenient and indirectly calls those at the farmhouse that day liars. Kerry's book, blog and the two docs on youtube all show the glaring contradictions.

Interesting that DI Cousins was on his own again. I thought this briefing would be in Kos police station shoulder to shoulder with their colleagues.

I could go in to a lot more detail here but I just don't have the energy now.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:45 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/detectives-find-item-belonging-ben-9061983
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  froggy on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:55 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Exactly. The cars are only something Christine would know about anyway. Eddie only knew of these (and Ben wetting himself) on the 10 year Somebody Knows doc. Making the find right at the end of the dig at 2-3 feet under ground level? when the site was said to be 30 years old doesn't compute, either.

Sorry but this 'conclusion' is far too convenient and indirectly calls those at the farmhouse that day liars. Kerry's book, blog and the two docs on youtube all show the glaring contradictions.

Interesting that DI Cousins was on his own again. I thought this briefing would be in Kos police station shoulder to shoulder with their colleagues.

I could go in to a lot more detail here but I just don't have the energy now.


The cars are meaningless as they could have been left on the ground and scooped up at some later time when the ground was being cleared.
Something he was wearing, like T shirt or sandals would be rather different.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  bluebell on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:57 pm

Finding something Ben had in his possession that day at site 2 surely only proves soil etc from the farmhouse was dumped there, nothing more than that?

If it were a toy he could have dropped that anyway, it isn't proof is it?
Would it be impossible to find any of his remains after all this time.   Poor Kerry, this must be "the worst news"
imo.


@ froggy - X post sorry.

eta - SURELY they can't just leave the investigation there ?


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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 12:58 pm

froggy wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Andrew wrote:Was it those 2 car toys I wonder that disappeared with him...?

Not sure how finding that (or anything else) belonging to Ben 25 years later proves he died and that Dino was responsible...?

Exactly. The cars are only something Christine would know about anyway. Eddie only knew of these (and Ben wetting himself) on the 10 year Somebody Knows doc. Making the find right at the end of the dig at 2-3 feet under ground level? when the site was said to be 30 years old doesn't compute, either.

Sorry but this 'conclusion' is far too convenient and indirectly calls those at the farmhouse that day liars. Kerry's book, blog and the two docs on youtube all show the glaring contradictions.

Interesting that DI Cousins was on his own again. I thought this briefing would be in Kos police station shoulder to shoulder with their colleagues.

I could go in to a lot more detail here but I just don't have the energy now.


The cars are meaningless as they could have been left on the ground and scooped up at some later time when the ground was being cleared.
Something he was wearing, like T shirt or sandals would be rather different.

The same logic could apply for a T shirt or sandals.

I'm sure a toddler could take off said items...
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 1:02 pm

South Yorkshire Police
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UPDATE: Operation Ben excavation work in Kos draws to a close

On 24 July 1991, 21-month-old Ben Needham disappeared from a farmhouse in the Iraklis area of Kos, Greece.

Since that day, a worldwide and very complex investigation has taken place and South Yorkshire Police have been supporting Ben’s family in their search for answers.

This work has intensified in the last 19 months when a Home Office funded team was dedicated to Operation Ben, resulting in a three-week search of two sites on the island.

The searches have been targeted, and of the highest forensic integrity. After 3,600 hours of work physically digging and 1,200 tonnes of material sifted, this phase of the operation has now ended. The team will soon return to the UK, along with some of the items recovered during the search.

Detective Inspector Jon Cousins, the Senior Investigating Officer in Operation Ben, said: “During the course of the enquiries we have made over the last 19 months, we have closed off a large number of theories about what happened to Ben, many of which have been open for over 20 years.

“However, based on the information that I have now, as a result of an extensive and thorough investigation, it is without doubt that the current line of enquiry is the most probable cause for Ben’s disappearance.

“My team and I know that machinery, including a large digger, was used to clear an area of land on 24 July 1991, behind the farmhouse that was being renovated by the Needham’s. It is my professional belief that Ben Needham died as a result of an accident near to the farmhouse in Iraklis where he was last seen playing.

“The events leading up to and following that incident have been explored by my team of experts to great lengths. The fact that we have not had a direct result during this visit to Kos does not preclude the facts that we know to be true.

“An item found on Saturday, which I have shown personally to some of Ben’s family, was found in one of the targeted areas at the second site, very close to a dated item from 1991.

“It is our initial understanding that this item was in Ben’s possession around the time he went missing.

“The recovery of this item, and its location, further adds to my belief that material was removed from the farmhouse on or shortly after the day that Ben disappeared.

“Ben’s family have been provided with a full and thorough account of the events which we know to have taken place and also the speculations that we have been able to discount. Our thoughts are with the family as they are given time to digest this and they have our full and continued support.

“Our drive has always been the family, and their welfare. Ben's family have never given up on the team and I am incredibly thankful for their constant inspiration.

“We are also grateful to the current Greek authorities for their assistance, and the help received from the Home Office and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has been vital in allowing the team to continue getting answers for a family in need.

“We remain committed to the investigation and it will not simply close; myself and Detective Superintendent Matt Fenwick will retain ownership of it and if new information comes to light, we will investigate it thoroughly. We will not stop in our quest to find further answers for Ben’s family.”
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