Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:46 am

I thought the 3rd bottom photo was as well as there appears to be a gap between the buildings...? scratch

ETA - so not the actual farmhouse they were working on?

seahorse Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:02 am

Andrew wrote:I thought the 3rd bottom photo was as well as there appears to be a gap between the buildings...?

ETA - so not the actual farmhouse they were working on?

The first picture shows the derelict farmhouse they were working on.

The second and third picture show the building to the right of the stone house, taken when they were with their back to the derelict farmhouse.

I can see so many hazards with that building material. Not a place you would let your toddler play.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:13 am

Very dangerous indeed and as you pointed it earlier, it's a steep short drop at the top. Especially for a toddler to take a tumble and hit his head on some stone.

Ages ago, I was talking to myself on whether a toddler could climb up a ladder, as I assumed there must of been one for the others to get onto the roof...

Your 1st picture shows a ladder. Now do you think a toddler could get up that to perhaps follow his Uncles and Grandad?

seahorse Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:37 am

Andrew wrote:Very dangerous indeed and as you pointed it earlier, it's a steep short drop at the top. Especially for a toddler to take a tumble and hit his head on some stone.

Ages ago, I was talking to myself on whether a toddler could climb up a ladder, as I assumed there must of been one for the others to get onto the roof...

Your 1st picture shows a ladder. Now do you think a toddler could get up that to perhaps follow his Uncles and Grandad?

Not sure. According to this advanced climbing skills develop between the ages of 3 and 4:

Advanced Climbing

Climbing tasks such as climbing ladders are complex tasks that require children to have good balance and coordination as well as enough strength to hold themselves upright while climbing. The age at which children are capable of completing these tasks is often heavily influenced by the child's environment. Children with active parents who help them learn to climb can frequently climb playground ladders between 3 and 4, though they should always be supervised. Full climbing skills often do not develop until children are school-aged, around 6 or 7 years, according to Dr. William Sears.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/542645-developmental-milestones-related-to-climbing/

He might have been able to manage a few rungs on that rickety ladder, but I doubt it.

seahorse Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:49 am

I still find this surprise visit of Christine strange.

It was such a surprise that Michaelis sent Stephen to the shop to get more food/water in to celebrate.

Though Kerry has said that Christine had visited the site before with Ben.

Why would you take a toddler to a dusty hot dangerous building site, with no mod cons, when there is a beach only about 10 minutes walk away.

It just doesn't make sense.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:54 am

Nothing makes sense of it, Seahorse. Well certainly the official version clearly doesn't.

Going back to the ladder. Unlikely but not impossible. It's amazing what some determined, advanced, fearless toddlers can achieve.

Maybe his younger Uncle took him up there for a look? Just a thought.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:56 am

Kerry and DS Fenwick speaking in 2011:

bluebell Thu 03 Nov 2016, 11:58 am

Seeing those pictures of the site from the Missing vid it certainly does look very hazardous for a toddler to be around,
especially unsupervised.
As well, Ben's grandfather did say about Dino and his machine - "When he came he flew into it too fast with the machine. For a big machine it felt fast. He came in at speed." - only the lane and site look too difficult to manoeuvre
a big machine, strange he was able to drive so fast? Just my thoughts.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:06 pm

Hi Bluebell, can you provide a link for where Eddie said that....?

Ta.

bluebell Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:11 pm

Andrew wrote:Hi Bluebell, can you provide a link for where Eddie said that....?

Ta.

Here you go Andrew, it is in this article

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-grandfather-reveals-spoke-8860116

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:20 pm

Cheers - I knew I read it but couldn't recall exactly where. An interesting article that.

TheTruthWillOut Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:25 pm

bluebell wrote:Seeing those pictures of the site from the Missing vid it certainly does look very hazardous for a toddler to be around,
especially unsupervised.
As well, Ben's grandfather did say about Dino and his machine - "When he came he flew into it too fast with the machine. For a big machine it felt fast. He came in at speed." - only the lane and site look too difficult to manoeuvre
a big machine, strange he was able to drive so fast? Just my thoughts.

We don't even know what machine it was because of conflicting info that nobody corrects. The Mirror claim it is the massive Liebherr 952 and is still on the island rusting away in a field 7 miles from the farmhouse.
The police have said it left the island and now they can't find it. My opinion is that it is much more likely the digger was a JCB 3CX or equivalent to work on a single story farmhouse job.

If the Mirror can't even get a basic thing like what digger was at the site what does that say about their "investigative skills" or even their motives?

bluebell Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:35 pm

More like this one TTWO ?? I agree with you, I doubt it was the massive Liebherr .

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:41 pm

A Liebherr 952 in action:

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 12:49 pm

Regardless if it was a Leiberr, Justin Beiber or a JCB. They all make awfully loud noises.

But at the time Ben disappeared it was as quite as a mouse?

TheTruthWillOut Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:04 pm

Andrew wrote:Regardless if it was a Leiberr, Justin Beiber or a JCB. They all make awfully loud noises.

But at the time Ben disappeared it was as quite as a mouse?

True. But then I ask why have the Mirror done a piece about how the Kos police/authorities have conducted a cover-up yet not questioned the inconsistencies told by the family?

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:14 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Andrew wrote:Regardless if it was a Leiberr, Justin Beiber or a JCB. They all make awfully loud noises.

But at the time Ben disappeared it was as quite as a mouse?

True. But then I ask why have the Mirror done a piece about how the Kos police/authorities have conducted a cover-up yet not questioned the inconsistencies told by the family?

No idea. Usual sloppy journalism perhaps. Or maybe SYP have told them not to publish the obvious inconsistencies and alarming contradictions.

For the time being.

bluebell Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:35 pm

The Mirror has always been the "voice" for Ben's disappearance though hasn't it?
They seem to have an exclusive with the family (only guessing), so doubtful they would query the events and facts.
imo.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:44 pm

Certainly the Mirror are first in the queue when juicy scoops are being dished out. And you don't bite the hand that feeds you. (until you're full and ready to explode)

It's interesting that the Guardian appeared to get very close at one stage, well a few years back, and since then have somewhat distanced themselves.

Appears that way anyway.

Helenmeg Thu 03 Nov 2016, 1:58 pm

bluebell wrote:The Mirror has always been the "voice" for Ben's disappearance though hasn't it?
They seem to have an exclusive with the family (only guessing), so doubtful they would query the events and facts.
imo.

Yes - or an exclusive with S Yorks police who want to get a certain message across to the public - Ben Died Digger

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:14 pm

SYP certainly want to tell the world now that Ben died in 1991 and that's there 'professional belief' etc etc.

Why didn't OG come up with the same when they did there searches in PDL and tell the world that there 'professional belief' was that Madeleine died in 2007.

I'm sure, certain in fact, that every single person involved within the OG team would've had that 'professional belief'...

Imo, etc.

chirpyinsect Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:36 pm

Andrew wrote:SYP certainly want to tell the world now that Ben died in 1991 and that's there 'professional belief' etc etc.

Why didn't OG come up with the same when they did there searches in PDL and tell the world that there 'professional belief' was that Madeleine died in 2007.

I'm sure, certain in fact, that every single person involved within the OG team would've had that 'professional belief'...

Imo, etc.

Because part of the deal was that Madeleine would remain missing so the family could keep on collecting? Just a possible reason. Not saying it is the case.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:46 pm

And what, the OG team get a rebate from the Madeleine fund for it. Nah, can't see that, Chirps.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 4:14 pm

Yeah it is. Hence the pic I posted up this morn. Makes you wonder what sort of state the actual house was in and whether an old lady really did live there. Clearly only one level back in those days (not that has anything to do with the price of fish) but it didn't look the best of conditions for an old dear to be living in anyway.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 4:16 pm

Seahorse - I just responded to your post with pics but it's now gone....

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