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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 11:47 am

Dee Coy wrote:Ah, yes. That was the doc where Mr Smith apparently changed his mind about Smithman being GM, but with no substantiation as to why or where that was declared. About 20 mins in.


Apparently the i-player version as been amended.
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Post  froggy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 12:08 pm

So she has been able to dispel one myth.
Perhaps she'd like to do a series Very Happy
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 12:45 pm

Heisenburg wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:Ah, yes. That was the doc where Mr Smith apparently changed his mind about Smithman being GM, but with no substantiation as to why or where that was declared. About 20 mins in.


Apparently the i-player version as been amended.

Just played it again on your link - the so-called 'retraction' is still there, saying the Smiths changed their mind!

"The Smiths themselves now believe they saw someone else". At 20.15 exactly!

Heisenburg wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:Hmm. Wonder what she meant by 'BBC coverage'? What coverage?


10th anniversary panorama?


Good deduction as to what Gemma's report focussed on on your part last night, btw!

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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 1:36 pm

Dee Coy wrote:
Heisenburg wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:Ah, yes. That was the doc where Mr Smith apparently changed his mind about Smithman being GM, but with no substantiation as to why or where that was declared. About 20 mins in.


Apparently the i-player version as been amended.

Just played it again on your link - the so-called 'retraction' is still there, saying the Smiths changed their mind!

"The Smiths themselves now believe they saw someone else". At 20.15 exactly!



The BBC i player no longer has that.
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 1:57 pm

Ah - thanks for that.

Good that it was captured pre-editing for the annals.

So - Gemma says there was no explanation from the beeb as to why they published this inaccuracy in the first place. What was their source? What didn't they simply - as Gemma did - ask the Smiths?

Is there an agenda from the beeb, are they complying with an official line? One that comes from 'above'? Or simply sloppy journalism? From too much reading of the rants of, say, Mr Bennett?

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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 2:54 pm

niklasericson wrote:respectfully snipped!

Thanks for posting this up, Nik. Very Happy

Got to say that the only new thing here to me is the BBC/Bilton Smithman lie. Wonder if Mr Smith has pursued this further than complaining to Panorama/BBC? I wouldn't let it go on principle.....

That Colin Sutton gets a full exposure from Gemma may not go down too well with TextUSA nor the line about how the Portuguese investigation was 'littered with failings'.
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Post  canada12 on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 3:16 pm

Interesting the photo they used of Gerry and Kate on the same page as the efit. Gerry's face captured in such a way as to show it in comparison to the efit, so that the readers can see for themselves the similarity.
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 5:06 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
niklasericson wrote:respectfully snipped!

Thanks for posting this up, Nik. Very Happy

Got to say that the only new thing here to me is the BBC/Bilton Smithman lie. Wonder if Mr Smith has pursued this further than complaining to Panorama/BBC? I wouldn't let it go on principle.....

That Colin Sutton gets a full exposure from Gemma may not go down too well with TextUSA nor the line about how the Portuguese investigation was 'littered with failings'.

Textusa (or at least one of them) has posted the full article on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/1596142900481778/

Colin Sutton remains an enigma to me. The Portuguese 'failings' line is disappointing.

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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 5:44 pm

Dee Coy wrote:

The Portuguese 'failings' line is disappointing.


It can be read another way,there was a lot of brit interference.
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Post  unreorganised on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 6:31 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
niklasericson wrote:respectfully snipped!

Thanks for posting this up, Nik. Very Happy

Got to say that the only new thing here to me is the BBC/Bilton Smithman lie. Wonder if Mr Smith has pursued this further than complaining to Panorama/BBC? I wouldn't let it go on principle.....

That Colin Sutton gets a full exposure from Gemma may not go down too well with TextUSA nor the line about how the Portuguese investigation was 'littered with failings'.

Yes, thanks for posting.

Not much new to us but it might have had a few civilians choking on their cornflakes.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 6:51 pm

It's getting it out there that Martin stands by what he said all those years ago. That e-fit is someone who the police need to find, and Martin says he's 60/80% sure the man he saw was GM.

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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 7:13 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:It's getting it out there that Martin stands by what he said all those years ago. That e-fit is someone who the police need to find, and Martin says he's 60/80% sure the man he saw was GM.

Precisely, DDL.

Gemma has confirmed unequivocally some mooted points.

Martin Smith has NOT changed his mind about being 60-80% certain GM is Smithman.
He has remained interested and indignant over the last decade.
So indignant he contacted the BBC to complain and request a correction.
That request was ignored until Gemma leant her weight.
The programme makers have failed to confirm how their misconception occurred and from where they obtained the misinformation that Mr Smith had changed his mind.
Gemma spoke to the Smiths at home.
Martin Smith was frustrated his original evidence was ignored by police.

It's also put to bed one of Tony Bennett's main kingpin arguments. What say him now? He's very quiet today,

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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 7:18 pm

With thanks to her and Gemma O'Doherty, copied from Maria Santos' Facebook:

Maddie: did the BBC bend the truth?

Gemma O’Doherty

On the night Madeleine McCann disappeared, an Irish tourist saw a man with a child matching her description near the McCann apartment. His testimony could prove vital to the world's most famous missing person case, especially since  the man he saw that night has never come forward.

On a cold May night in 2007. Martin Smith and  his family were walking home after an evening out in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. A retired businessman from Drogheda, Co Louth, he co-owned an apartment there  and was a regular visitor to the Algarve town.

The crowds of summer had yet to arrive and the nor• malty bustling streets of the old quarter lay quiet. It was approaching 10pm when some members of the family of nine were suddenly struck by the sight of a man walking quickly towards them holding a small child uncomfortably in his arms.

As he passed close by them on the narrow street, the child appeared to be in a deep sleep. her head placed  over his shoulder and arms suspended down her body.

She was blonde. aged around four and wearing pyjamas. Despite the chill in the air, her feet were bare. Martin and his daughter Aoife noted that her skin was very white. The man carrying the girl was middle-aged and more formally dressed than the average tourist, beige trousers and a dark blazer-like top.

A member of Martin's family made a comment towards him that the child was sleeping but he did not respond or make eye contact, keeping his head down as he hurriedly headed in the direction of the coast.

At the time, Martin did not realise the sighting had the potential to change the course of the world’s most high-profile missing-person case.

The following morning, he got a text from his daughter in Ireland to tell him that a three-year-old girl had gone missing in the resort. The approximate time frame and location he had witnessed the man and the child appeared to match.

By now, the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann was beginning to grip the world. Martin brought his mind back to the evening before and wondered if the child he saw could have been her. The girl certainly matched Madeleine’s description and the sighting had taken place at Rua da Escola Primaria, just 500 yards from the McCann apartment. In time, Martin would become convinced he was correct.

Over a decade has passed since Madeleine McCann went missing on May 3. 2007 yet the case of the British three-year-old remains mired more questions than answers. The mainstream media, who have by and large backed Gerry and Kate McCann's version of events with the support of several A-list celebrities and politicians, appear to have lost interest in a story they once could not get enough of.

The very opposite is true on social media. The internet swirls with allegations and theories that the McCann story is littered with holes and does not stack up. Countless videos have been posted YouTube by armchair detectives challenging the parents’ seemingly at times bizarre behaviour, in particular their reactions in certain interviews when the finger of blame shifts towards them.

Some are compelling to watch and have highlighted what appear to be discrepancies and confusion in certain accounts given by the McCanns and some of their friends about what happened in the period before and after Madeleine disappeared.

Getty McCann. a consultant cardiologist from Scotland and his Liverpool wife Kate, a GP and anaesthetist. said they had put their daughter and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie to bed at around 7pm, had drinks together for almost an hour and then left the children alone to go to a tapas bat 50 yards from their apartment. There they met seven friends with whom they were on holiday. They told police that they and their friends checked on the children every half hour.

Gerry said he went to the apartment at 9.05pm and all the children were sleeping soundly. He said Madeleine was lying on her left-hand side in exactly the same position she was in when they had left her.

At 9.25pm, his friend. Dr Matthew Oldfield told police he went to check on the McCann children. He said afterwards he could not be certain that he saw Madeleine on that check.
Kate McCann said she went back to the apartment at around t10pm, entering through the patio doors that they had left unlocked. She said she noticed that the door of the children's bed. room was “completely open” and that the window was also open and the shutters raised. She said she scoured the apartment. then left the twins asleep in their beds before running back to her friends in the tapas bar and claiming Madeleine had been taken. At 10.41pm. her disappearance from Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort was reported to police by hotel staff.

Overnight the story made headlines around the world. Several days after Madeleine disappeared. the Smith family flew back home, but the sighting remained at the back of Martin's mind. He discussed it with his wife Mary. son Peter and daughter Aoife who were with him that night.

When they tallied the time and location, and the fact that the man they had seen had come from the direction of the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying. they were convinced that it could have been Madeleine they had seen.

They decided to inform investigating police. and at the end of May 2007. Martin. Aoife and Peter flew back out to Portugal to make statements. They gave similar accounts of the man they had witnessed: average build, short brown hair, beige trousers: and the child: blonde, around four. and wearing pyjamas.

As the summer passed. the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann continued to perplex the world but life returned to normal for the Smiths. Then one Sunday evening in September. it came back to haunt Martin again. He was sitting at home watching TV when a report came on the BBC 'News at Ten' about the McCanns. return to Britain. As he watched Gerry coming down the steps pf the plane carrying his two-year old son in his arms, Martin was gripped by what he had seen and described the experience as “an action replay” in his mind.

He was instantly brought back to the night of May 3 in Praia da Luz. Something about the way Gerry was holding the child in his arms and the way he put his head down seemed shockingly similar to the man he had seen in Portugal the night Madeleine went missing. He said it hit him like a “bolt from the blue”. He watched the clip again on different news channels reinforcing his belief that he was not mistaken.

During this period. Martin had difficulty sleeping and felt sick with anxiety. He contacted the Garda and informed them of what had happened.

He told them he was 60-80% sure the man he saw carrying the child that night was Gerry McCann. His wife Mary felt the same way.

Irish officers found him credible. A local garda who interviewed him on behalf of the Portuguese authorities described him as a genuine. decent man who did not want to court the press orseek publicity.
But while Martin's evidence seemed compelling, independent and without motivation. much to his frustration. it was not given the attention it seemed to deserve.

Almost a year after he made his initial statement to police, he was approached by private detectives working for the McCanns and asked to make e-fits (electronic facial identification images). of the man he had seen the night Madeleine disappeared.

The McCanns say they gave these pictures to the police at the time but chose not to publicise them. Instead they remained focused on another sighting by their friend Jane Tanner, one of the so called Tapas Seven group of friends who had on holiday with the couple and who dined with them the evening Madeleine disappeared. She claimed to have seen a man carrying a child away from their apartment complex at around 9.20pm. but in the opposite direction to the man allegedlv seen by the Smiths.

However, more than six years later. in 2013, the Metropolitan police announced that a British  tourist had come forward to say he could have been the man she had seen as he carried his daughter home from the Ocean Club late night creche.
The Tanner sighting was about to be dismissed. The Met would switch their attention to the man seen by the Smiths. The e-fit images were finally released and the then chief investigating officer Andy Redwood said the timeline leading up to Madeleine's disappearance was being rewritten, especially the 90 minutes between 8.30pm, when the McCanns left their children to go to the restaurant and 10pm, when they discovered their daughter missing.

A reward of €20,000 was Offered to anyone who could assist with the investigation. But then the Story of the Smith sighting took another bizarre twist as allegations emerged in the media that the family had retracted their statements. The public were being told that this potentially critical development was just another red herring.

The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a 'Panorama' programme broadcast in May to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.


In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.


He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains "60-80 per cent" convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.


Last month. asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.


I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.


Former Scotland Yard murder detective Colin Sutton is one of a number of experienced officers who believe the Smith sighting is one the most important pieces of evidence available to the investigation.

According to media reports. Sutton had been tipped to head up the new probe by British police in 2010. He claims he received a call shortly after these reports from a high-ranking friend in the Met who warned him not to take on the job as he would not be happy being told what he could and could not look at.

Several aspects of the new investigation perplex him including the apparent decision by Operation Grange not to question Gerry and Kate McCann or their friends again.

Maddie: did the BBC bend the truth?

Gemma O’Doherty

On the night Madeleine McCann disappeared, an Irish tourist saw a man with a child matching her description near the McCann apartment. His testimony could prove vital to the world's most famous missing person case, especially since  the man he saw that night has never come forward.

On a cold May night in 2007. Martin Smith and  his family were walking home after an evening out in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. A retired businessman from Drogheda, Co Louth, he co-owned an apartment there  and was a regular visitor to the Algarve town.

The crowds of summer had yet to arrive and the nor• malty bustling streets of the old quarter lay quiet. It was approaching 10pm when some members of the family of nine were suddenly struck by the sight of a man walking quickly towards them holding a small child uncomfortably in his arms.

As he passed close by them on the narrow street, the child appeared to be in a deep sleep. her head placed  over his shoulder and arms suspended down her body.

She was blonde. aged around four and wearing pyjamas. Despite the chill in the air, her feet were bare. Martin and his daughter Aoife noted that her skin was very white. The man carrying the girl was middle-aged and more formally dressed than the average tourist, beige trousers and a dark blazer-like top.

A member of Martin's family made a comment towards him that the child was sleeping but he did not respond or make eye contact, keeping his head down as he hurriedly headed in the direction of the coast.

At the time, Martin did not realise the sighting had the potential to change the course of the world’s most high-profile missing-person case.

The following morning, he got a text from his daughter in Ireland to tell him that a three-year-old girl had gone missing in the resort. The approximate time frame and location he had witnessed the man and the child appeared to match.

By now, the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann was beginning to grip the world. Martin brought his mind back to the evening before and wondered if the child he saw could have been her. The girl certainly matched Madeleine’s description and the sighting had taken place at Rua da Escola Primaria, just 500 yards from the McCann apartment. In time, Martin would become convinced he was correct.

Over a decade has passed since Madeleine McCann went missing on May 3. 2007 yet the case of the British three-year-old remains mired more questions than answers. The mainstream media, who have by and large backed Gerry and Kate McCann's version of events with the support of several A-list celebrities and politicians, appear to have lost interest in a story they once could not get enough of.

The very opposite is true on social media. The internet swirls with allegations and theories that the McCann story is littered with holes and does not stack up. Countless videos have been posted YouTube by armchair detectives challenging the parents’ seemingly at times bizarre behaviour, in particular their reactions in certain interviews when the finger of blame shifts towards them.

Some are compelling to watch and have highlighted what appear to be discrepancies and confusion in certain accounts given by the McCanns and some of their friends about what happened in the period before and after Madeleine disappeared.

Getty McCann. a consultant cardiologist from Scotland and his Liverpool wife Kate, a GP and anaesthetist. said they had put their daughter and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie to bed at around 7pm, had drinks together for almost an hour and then left the children alone to go to a tapas bat 50 yards from their apartment. There they met seven friends with whom they were on holiday. They told police that they and their friends checked on the children every half hour.

Gerry said he went to the apartment at 9.05pm and all the children were sleeping soundly. He said Madeleine was lying on her left-hand side in exactly the same position she was in when they had left her.

At 9.25pm, his friend. Dr Matthew Oldfield told police he went to check on the McCann children. He said afterwards he could not be certain that he saw Madeleine on that check.
Kate McCann said she went back to the apartment at around t10pm, entering through the patio doors that they had left unlocked. She said she noticed that the door of the children's bed. room was “completely open” and that the window was also open and the shutters raised. She said she scoured the apartment. then left the twins asleep in their beds before running back to her friends in the tapas bar and claiming Madeleine had been taken. At 10.41pm. her disappearance from Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort was reported to police by hotel staff.

Overnight the story made headlines around the world. Several days after Madeleine disappeared. the Smith family flew back home, but the sighting remained at the back of Martin's mind. He discussed it with his wife Mary. son Peter and daughter Aoife who were with him that night.

When they tallied the time and location, and the fact that the man they had seen had come from the direction of the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying. they were convinced that it could have been Madeleine they had seen.

They decided to inform investigating police. and at the end of May 2007. Martin. Aoife and Peter flew back out to Portugal to make statements. They gave similar accounts of the man they had witnessed: average build, short brown hair, beige trousers: and the child: blonde, around four. and wearing pyjamas.

As the summer passed. the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann continued to perplex the world but life returned to normal for the Smiths. Then one Sunday evening in September. it came back to haunt Martin again. He was sitting at home watching TV when a report came on the BBC 'News at Ten' about the McCanns. return to Britain. As he watched Gerry coming down the steps pf the plane carrying his two-year old son in his arms, Martin was gripped by what he had seen and described the experience as “an action replay” in his mind.

He was instantly brought back to the night of May 3 in Praia da Luz. Something about the way Gerry was holding the child in his arms and the way he put his head down seemed shockingly similar to the man he had seen in Portugal the night Madeleine went missing. He said it hit him like a “bolt from the blue”. He watched the clip again on different news channels reinforcing his belief that he was not mistaken.

During this period. Martin had difficulty sleeping and felt sick with anxiety. He contacted the Garda and informed them of what had happened.

He told them he was 60-80% sure the man he saw carrying the child that night was Gerry McCann. His wife Mary felt the same way.

Irish officers found him credible. A local garda who interviewed him on behalf of the Portuguese authorities described him as a genuine. decent man who did not want to court the press orseek publicity.
But while Martin's evidence seemed compelling, independent and without motivation. much to his frustration. it was not given the attention it seemed to deserve.

Almost a year after he made his initial statement to police, he was approached by private detectives working for the McCanns and asked to make e-fits (electronic facial identification images). of the man he had seen the night Madeleine disappeared.

The McCanns say they gave these pictures to the police at the time but chose not to publicise them. Instead they remained focused on another sighting by their friend Jane Tanner, one of the so called Tapas Seven group of friends who had on holiday with the couple and who dined with them the evening Madeleine disappeared. She claimed to have seen a man carrying a child away from their apartment complex at around 9.20pm. but in the opposite direction to the man allegedlv seen by the Smiths.

However, more than six years later. in 2013, the Metropolitan police announced that a British  tourist had come forward to say he could have been the man she had seen as he carried his daughter home from the Ocean Club late night creche.
The Tanner sighting was about to be dismissed. The Met would switch their attention to the man seen by the Smiths. The e-fit images were finally released and the then chief investigating officer Andy Redwood said the timeline leading up to Madeleine's disappearance was being rewritten, especially the 90 minutes between 8.30pm, when the McCanns left their children to go to the restaurant and 10pm, when they discovered their daughter missing.

A reward of €20,000 was Offered to anyone who could assist with the investigation. But then the Story of the Smith sighting took another bizarre twist as allegations emerged in the media that the family had retracted their statements. The public were being told that this potentially critical development was just another red herring.

The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a 'Panorama' programme broadcast in May to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.


In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.


He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains "60-80 per cent" convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.


Last month. asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.


I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.


Former Scotland Yard murder detective Colin Sutton is one of a number of experienced officers who believe the Smith sighting is one the most important pieces of evidence available to the investigation.

According to media reports. Sutton had been tipped to head up the new probe by British police in 2010. He claims he received a call shortly after these reports from a high-ranking friend in the Met who warned him not to take on the job as he would not be happy being told what he could and could not look at.

Several aspects of the new investigation perplex him including the apparent decision by Operation Grange not to question Gerry and Kate McCann or their friends again.


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Post  Inca on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 7:41 pm

I agree with ddl, it must be put out there. We have had years of misinformation pushed and it needs correcting. It's all very well saying TB is blameless but he is the only one who has pushed it, strange when you think he rubbished the programme, the BBC and Op Grange. You cannot pick and choose what to believe just because it fits a theory.

Martin Smith sticks with what he always said, good on him , answers now must be uncovered as to why and WHO told this lie to the BBC.
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 7:42 pm

Precisely, Inca.

TB and the BBC both need to give answers.

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Post  Antonia on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 7:57 pm

Dee Coy wrote:
dogs don't lie wrote:It's getting it out there that Martin stands by what he said all those years ago. That e-fit is someone who the police need to find, and Martin says he's 60/80% sure the man he saw was GM.

Precisely, DDL.

Gemma has confirmed unequivocally some mooted points.

Martin Smith has NOT changed his mind about being 60-80% certain GM is Smithman.
He has remained interested and indignant over the last decade.
So indignant he contacted the BBC to complain and request a correction.
That request was ignored until Gemma leant her weight.
The programme makers have failed to confirm how their misconception occurred and from where they obtained the misinformation that Mr Smith had changed his mind.
Gemma spoke to the Smiths at home.
Martin Smith was frustrated his original evidence was ignored by police.

It's also put to bed one of Tony Bennett's main kingpin arguments. What say him now? He's very quiet today,


he may have temporarily lost his blue pen/run out of blue ink. When he has found it/is back in stock then we will have a response on the lines of:

how do we know that Gemma actually spoke to Mr Smith? She is Irish and probably a catholic and such people are not to be trusted. Even if she did speak to him, he is irish and so is she. irish people are known to be creative so they have come up with this agreed story. or he might say gemma has a reason to lie; he won't of course suggest why she might lie but remember he more or less stated as fact that all the Smiths lied without giving any credible reason/evidence why.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 8:01 pm

Across the way someone thinks this story has been put out there to remind people that the disappearance was on the 3rd and not 4/5 days earlier that they now believe. Once the focus is back on the 3rd, we'll be told it wasn't GM after all??

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Post  Châtelaine on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 8:02 pm

Do I remember correctly, that the girl the Smiths saw was wearing white pyjamas? As in Payne "seeing" 3 kids in "angelic" white?
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 8:12 pm

Antonia wrote:

he may have temporarily lost his blue pen/run out of blue ink.  When he has found it/is back in stock then we will have a response on the lines of:

how do we know that Gemma actually spoke to Mr Smith?  She is Irish and probably a catholic and such people are not to be trusted. Even if she did speak to him, he is irish and so is she. irish people are known to be creative so they have come up with this agreed story.  or he might say gemma has a reason to lie; he won't of course suggest why she might lie but remember he more or less stated as fact that all the Smiths lied without giving any credible reason/evidence why.

Ha! In fact I bet the blue ink is spilled all over the desk as he frantically scribbles and chucks screwed up bits of paper over his shoulder.

Sharonl has paved the way for the counter-argument over the way. We wait with bated breath!

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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 8:16 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:Across the way someone thinks this story has been put out there to remind people that the disappearance was on the 3rd and not 4/5 days earlier that they now believe. Once the focus is back on the 3rd, we'll be told it wasn't GM after all??

It's astonishing. You can virtually hear them squealing "Yeah, but no, but..."

They really do believe all the McCann-case affiliates hang on their word and their theory only. Yet such a minority place, now.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 8:18 pm

That programme was made last year, does anyone know when the rumour that Martin had retracted his statement appeared?

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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 9:20 pm

Quick question: In the tweets from Gemma in the weeks leading up to this article many subjects in the case were mentioned but only three? (Smith sighting, BBC lie, Grange not questioning M+Tapas 7) issues in the article pics posted by Niks.

Is there more pics to come or more articles to be published each week?
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Post  Dee Coy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 9:34 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Quick question: In the tweets from Gemma in the weeks leading up to this article many subjects in the case were mentioned but only three? (Smith sighting, BBC lie, Grange not questioning M+Tapas 7) issues in the article pics posted by Niks.

Is there more pics to come or more articles to be published each week?

I wondered this.

There was a Tweet earlier from Isabelle McFadden - not sure if she has touched on this here:

https://twitter.com/McCannCaseTweet/status/959844690173427713



It seems Gemma gleaned more from her discussion with the Smiths than is revealed in the article. Not sure how Isabelle would know this, mind.

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Post  froggy on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 9:35 pm

It's a monthly publication, but hopefully there's more to come.
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Post  Freedom on Sat 03 Feb 2018, 9:39 pm

It appears from this Facebook comment yesterday that there's more to come.

"As part of my investigation into the McCann case, the BBC have admitted to me they made a mistake in their coverage of a potentially critical sighting of a man and child on the night she disappeared. Police say this sighting could hold the key to the entire mystery. My first report will be published tomorrow in Village Magazine".
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