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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:39 am

@ Tigger - "False flag ops are old as the hills."

So true - our world history formed by them.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:22 am

@ dawnie_c
I know it's not a very nice feeling to seemingly have the whole forum jump on you, so I hope you don't take it personally. I too am only interested in conspiracies if the evidence is there, but you'd be surprised at how often it is there. To be honest though, before I caught on to the McCann case, I just believed everything I heard in the media.

And like Chirpy says, it's not a case of all civil servants being corrupt, nor either that all politicians are. In fact I would say that governments are not really the ones responsible for these incidents; rather governments are used and controlled to help cover them up.

@RobRoyston I entirely agree. The modern system of education is appalling. It's all about getting grades and meeting targets and there's no development of critical thought. When it comes to mathematics, science and engineering, this country completely fails to produce sufficient critical thinkers. But more worrying than that is that it took me 13 years to wake up to the inconsistencies of 9/11, which are jaw-droppingly obvious, even though I'd had a very good education. And talk to academics and graduates about 9/11 truth and they just won't hear of any of this 'conspiracy talk'.

For me 9/11 was the ultimate science education fail. If we had a proper education system, every science student, teacher and academic, would have stood up at the moment the planes went through the building, or when the towers fell, and said 'hang on, I'm not buying this'.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:21 am

Dr David Kelly. My first husband knew him. Apparently he was a deeply religious man, of a faith where he could never, or would ever, kill himself. So there's a cover up, right there. On the other hand, not everything is a conspiracy theory. My personal favourite is that ISiS are a creation of Israel and the USA.

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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:48 am

10 False Flag Operations that shaped our world (and kept USA powerful !) by Joe Crubaugh

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/10_False_Flag_Operations.html

Guy Fawkes is also said by some to be a false flag - James I wanting to garner hatred for Catholics.
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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:12 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
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So if I understand you correctly. you are saying we should just accept that everything we are told by officialdom is the way it happened. OK let`s begin with Hillsborough. Did that happen the way we were told?
If we are to accept that what TPTB tell us happens is gospel then we may as all well go home and read the MSM, listen to the BBC and behave like good little citizens.
And I object most strongly to being called a nut job because you believe everything you are told by the government that pays your wages.
I did not intend to finish the Christmas good spirits on here by having to defend my right to question anything I don`t accept. If you chose that path that is up to you but please respect others who prefer to look deeper.
Tell me why Dunblane is under 100 year lock down. Explain Sandy Hook.

What is tptb?

The only person making u finish your christmas like that is you. Dont take it all so seriously.

I'll reply tomorrow if I can be bothered.

And as for Sandy hook! One of the sickest conspiracy sever started.

I don't work for the government now they do not pay my wages. I said I used to. So you accuse civil servants of all being corrupt?

Oh and no you didn't understand my post correctly.

Then please explain your post without putting words in my mouth. Where did I accuse all civil servants of being corrupt? The Christmas good spirits are well and truly over if you go around calling others lunatics. Did you think no one would take you up on that?
You mention Sandy Hook as a sick conspiracy so they do exist then? Sometimes, for reasons we are not made aware of, governments do things for nefarious purposes. Fear is the biggest controlling factor a government can use to keep its people in check. What better way than to threaten our children?
The lust for power corrupts humanity and the fear of losing it makes politicians vulnerable. People with chequered pasts make the best puppets for those who wield the real power in our society.
You claim never to have witnessed a cover up in your working life. Doesn`t that just mean they never let you know about it?
Most people who question what goes on in this world do so with consideration. Most people open their eyes to the evidence around them and most people are not nut jobs as you so insultingly stated. We are just not prepared to accept that if something smells of sea bass it isn`t always fish.


I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.


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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:15 pm

I didn`t realise Sandy Hook was just an exercise - mind you I haven`t kept up with this case.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/

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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:17 pm

dawnie_c - I don`t think anyone here is saying that all establishments and establishment employees are all corrupt or `in on anything` - most employees are normal everyday honest people.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:33 pm

Mimi wrote:I didn`t realise Sandy Hook was just an exercise - mind you I haven`t kept up with this case.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/


The FBI have had to admit it was an "exercise" because good people did not accept what was being sold to them. People were called conspiracy loons, but still asked questions. They did not shut up even when threatened and carried on digging until the truth came out.
Dawnie C I hate it when people throw an accusation into the mix then vanish once they are asked to explain what they mean. However to use your own vernacular, I can`t be arsed either so carry on with your opinions. I am not here to provide you with an outlet.
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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:44 pm

Mimi wrote:10 False Flag Operations that shaped our world (and kept USA powerful !) by Joe Crubaugh

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/10_False_Flag_Operations.html

Guy Fawkes is also said by some to be a false flag - James I wanting to garner hatred for Catholics.

Brilliant piece. As much as I knew the Pullitzer prize was a sham, I didn't realise the person who it was named after was also in the business of media manipulation.

As we've been on the theme of education today: pity they don't really teach this stuff in schools. And I guess even when they do -- as they do with the Nazi stuff -- it's the same deal as with 9/11 physics: we don't teach kids to be critical thinkers and to apply what they learn to the world they are in now.

I can't help admiring Goering (see quote below) for his intelligence. I sometimes think the conspiracy theorists and the conspiracy makers are just twins separated at birth, who chose to do differently with their intelligence.


Hermann Göring stated: "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:51 pm

dawnie_c wrote:


I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.


The non-conspiracy theorists can never argue, though in fairness to them it's just cognitive dissonance, and I've had it myself as well plenty of times in the past.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:02 pm

wlbts wrote:Speaking as somebody who has been through education and attained a degree within the last 15 years, I can't agree with that.  Sounds like the old 'university of life' and 'school of hard knocks' line to me.  I know many people with various levels of degree, and they are virtually all good critical thinkers.  That old 'the more educated you are the less common sense you have' thing isn't remotely true.  Intelligence is good for lots of things, not just remembering facts.  And the 'nerd' stereotype is just something that the TV and film industry has created.  Hmm, here's another film with a bunch of kids, I wonder which one is the clever one?  Oh that's right - it's the one with the mad (or slicked back) hair, and glasses that are held together with a plaster.

@dawnie_c - I can see where you're coming from.  I only veer towards 'conspiracy theories' when I've seriously researched the evidence, and found the evidence to be overwhelming.  For me that includes the McCanns, and 9/11.  I don't automatically assume that governments or 'secret agencies' are behind everything.  It's not my default position - I require evidence first.

I would add to that though that I don't automatically assume that governments (or the media) always tell the truth either.  Far from it.  Like I said, I'm a curious person and I form my conclusions from evidence.

WLBTS you seem to understand what I am trying to say, whilst I'm struggling to explain it. The next bit isn't aimed at you.

Yes things are covered up. I get that. (Hillsborough)

Yes people tell lies. I get that. (McCanns)

Isn't it just as simple as individuals are trying to save their necks?

When I use the word conspiracy I don't mean it as every lie ever told.

I mean it as Sandy Hook (never happened). 9/11 (the US government plotted it) London Bombings (haven't read what people think is wrong with that, not going to) The Royal Family (lizards and paedofiles), the moon landings (happened in a studio), JFK (the secret services did it).

The Police and Government are all covering up for the McCanns.

I mean really? Logic and common sense flying out the window.

TB is prime example of supposed educated man. Thick as shit. Not an ounce of common sense. To the point of dangerous. A disciple of David Icke. Except back in the day David Icke was laughed at. The likes of TB are now taken seriously.

I'm going to give an example of how things worked in the civil service in my day. My boss, being top of their department would naturally receive the letters from concerned general public. As secretary I would open, read them and pass them on to relevant people to reply. Boss person cannot realistically reply to these. More important things to do you understand that. You would get the Tony Bennett's of this world writing on a weekly basis. Wanting to know the ins and outs workings of my bosses arse. Not accepting any reply given. Cos we were lying. Taking up hours of the day, trying to find a suitable reply that would passify them. They don't need to know every bloody minutiaie of what goes on. You can't tell them everything. Some things can't be explained and are confidential for very good reasons. Not to try to pull the wool over anyones eyes. Just because it is. So when I see him over there sending in yet another FOI request I know exactly what that department is thinking.  Yes we say it. The loon has written in again! Who's turn to reply this time? That is real life people. That is how things work.

Does that go some way to explain where I am coming from?

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:04 pm

That's why I think the MSM have carte blanche. 

They seem to be nothing but a tool to determine public opinion. 

Goering  also said something about the common man. If you run a farm and you have to go to war, what's in it for you when the best you can expect is to get back to the farm in one piece. However, you will want to fight if you're told you will otherwise  lose all you have. 

Both Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde have said that most people's opinions are not  their own:

Wilde: 
Most people are other people. their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation'. 

Twain: 
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:05 pm

Thomas Baden-Riess wrote:
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I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.


The non-conspiracy theorists can never argue, though in fairness to them it's just cognitive dissonance, and I've had it myself as well plenty of times in the past.
I cannot argue as I went to a shit school. Not because I'm thick. Thank you.

I also cannot argue with her cos she twists everything.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:10 pm

There are 2 things going on in this thread.

One - people who want to question lies. Fair enough.

Two - people who create the most outrageous scenarios to fit some loon theory.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:16 pm

I've had another thought.

Freemasons.

I know 2.

Christ on a stick what I read about them.

They are just people that like to rub shoulders. I do this for you and you do this for me.

Yes its all a bit distasteful with some very strange traditions. But some of the crap that's put out there.

I have to laugh.

The people who I know are normal family people who are just trying to make money. That's all its about.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:27 pm

Mimi wrote:dawnie_c - I don`t think anyone here is saying that all establishments and establishment employees are all corrupt or `in on anything` - most employees are normal everyday honest people.

I get that. What I am saying is take it to the logical extreme. The people at the top will always be found out because the normal everyday honest people underneath will not stand by saying nothing.

So if there is nothing to be said then it won't be.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:55 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
Mimi wrote:I didn`t realise Sandy Hook was just an exercise - mind you I haven`t kept up with this case.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/


The FBI have had to admit it was an "exercise" because good people did not accept what was being sold to them. People were called conspiracy loons, but still asked questions. They did not shut up even when threatened and  carried on digging until the truth came out.
Dawnie C I hate it when people throw an accusation into the mix then vanish once they are asked to explain what they mean. However to use your own vernacular, I can`t be arsed either so carry on with your opinions. I am not here to provide you with an outlet.


Christ almighty did I ask you to!!!

I'm starting to think you are a Tony Bennett sock. You come out with some crackers.

Mimi the reason you didn't realise is because it isn't.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:04 pm

Resistor wrote:Dr David Kelly.   My first husband knew him.  Apparently he was a deeply religious man, of a faith where he could never,  or would ever,  kill himself. So there's a cover up,  right there.  On the other hand,  not everything is a conspiracy theory. My personal favourite is that ISiS are a creation of Israel and the USA.

Means absolutely nothing. My cousin. Had 3 beautiful children. He would never ever kill himself.

But he bloody did.

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Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:08 pm

The same was said of a young skydiver who died when his parachute was sabotaged and did not open. It was proved that it was he who had sabotaged it.

I do personally think it likely that David Kelly committed suicide.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:09 pm

dawnie_c wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:
Mimi wrote:I didn`t realise Sandy Hook was just an exercise - mind you I haven`t kept up with this case.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/


The FBI have had to admit it was an "exercise" because good people did not accept what was being sold to them. People were called conspiracy loons, but still asked questions. They did not shut up even when threatened and  carried on digging until the truth came out.
Dawnie C I hate it when people throw an accusation into the mix then vanish once they are asked to explain what they mean. However to use your own vernacular, I can`t be arsed either so carry on with your opinions. I am not here to provide you with an outlet.


Christ almighty did I ask you to!!!

I'm starting to think you are a Tony Bennett sock. You come out with some crackers.

Mimi the reason you didn't realise is because it isn't.

Admin is this really necessary? I am not aware of what "crackers" I have come out with but DawnieC is clearly here to cause trouble. She put up a post about conspiracy theories which I have defended my right to discuss. I have been polite to her so far but I object to her tone.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:09 pm

In your opinion.   In mine, that poor man did not commit suicide.

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Post  candyfloss on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:11 pm

None of this is necessary, just agree to disagree and leave it...move on, and stop annoying each other!!

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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:25 pm

dawnie_c wrote:
Mimi wrote:dawnie_c - I don`t think anyone here is saying that all establishments and establishment employees are all corrupt or `in on anything` - most employees are normal everyday honest people.

I get that. What I am saying is take it to the logical extreme. The people at the top will always be found out because the normal everyday honest people underneath will not stand by saying nothing.

So if there is nothing to be said then it won't be.

Sorry dawnie but you are coming across a bit naive and I know you`re not really.

The people underneath do not necessarily say anything dawnie - look at the police for instance. Parts of a police forum were posted up recently (not sure if it was this forum) where many cops on that forum were saying they knew paedophilia was being covered up - they cannot say anything otherwise they would lose their jobs and pensions.

Many of us know freemasons - most nice people. But they will have no knowledge of what goes on at higher levels.

We know dreadful things have gone on in the health service and it`s only recently that some workers have put their necks on the line and blown the whistle - no one dare to before.

IMO once anyone climbs high enough up the greasy pole they find themselves having to adjust to a completely different mindset, very often what many of us would call corrupt.

Look at how the Jeremy Thorpe scandal was covered up, look at all the recent paedophile scandals that were covered up - all covered up by establishment figures.
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Post  Rob Royston on Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:42 pm

dawnie_c wrote:
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I can't discuss with you. You are my perfect example of what I am saying and you don't get it. So no point.


The non-conspiracy theorists can never argue, though in fairness to them it's just cognitive dissonance, and I've had it myself as well plenty of times in the past.
I cannot argue as I went to a shit school. Not because I'm thick. Thank you.

I also cannot argue with her cos she twists everything.
So you went to a "shit school", then you were a Civil Service Secretary, you can't argue with her "cos" she twists everything, you can't spell "paedophile" (two attempts) and you don't try to pull the wool over "anyones" eyes. You seem to have an on going conspiracy within yourself.

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Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:59 pm

I did wonder about the use of "secretary's" instead of the correct "secretaries"............

I will now make a new year resolution to turn a blind eye to such errors!
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