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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 1:17 pm

Antonia wrote:we are talking about late April and early May - it is not believable that it was 100 degrees and 70 in the shade.

Well quite but why is Bennett peddling that now.

Can't recall him saying that before....
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Châtelaine on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 2:14 pm

If you, Brits, would not only have gone from miles to meters, but also from Fahrenheit to Celsius, it would have saved me some time to re-find the formula for calculating ... Wink
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  bluebell on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 2:37 pm

Maybe miles away, but does this help ??

http://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/praia-da-oura/273253/april-weather/273253

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  bluebell on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 2:38 pm

March 2017View:   From the above link = hope someone can tidy it up please.
As List

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 2:50 pm

March 2017? That's pretty impressive weather records.. Very Happy

I just want to know why Bennett, all of a sudden afaik, is stating that it was 100F / 37C at lunchtime Sunday the 29th in which he is adamant that that was when the TLP was taken... scratch
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Freedom on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 2:58 pm

I have always thought that the "sweating like a pig" image of Gerry in particular did not appear feasible for this early in the year.

If it really was that hot on the Sunday, I don't recall hearing of it before.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 3:11 pm

Not much help but gives an average:

Table sort of copied from this link:

http://algarve-weather.en.algarve-portal.com/

Annual climate of the Algarve (average based on the last 30 years)


Month Average     Max          Min                                               Water Temp

Jan 12,2°C 15,3°C 9,0°C 70 mm 9 5/day 15°C
Feb 12,8°C 16,1°C 9,5°C 52 mm 7 6/day 15°C
Mar 14,3°C 17,5°C 11,1°C 72 mm 10 7/day 15°C
Apr 16,1°C 19,7°C 12,5°C 31 mm 6 9/day 16°C
May 18,2°C 21,9°C 14,4°C 21 mm 4 10/day 17°C
June 21,4°C 25,2°C 17,5°C 5 mm 1 12/day 18°C
July 23,9°C 28,2°C 19,5°C 1 mm 0 12/day 19°C
Aug 24,1°C 28,2°C 19,9°C 1 mm 0 11/day 20°C
Sept 22,2°C 25,7°C 18,6°C 17 mm 2 9/day 20°C
Oct 19,1°C 22,4°C 15,7°C 51 mm 6 7/day 19°C
Nov 15,8°C 18,9°C 12,6°C 65 mm 8 6/day 17°C
Dec 13,0°C 16,2°C 9,8°C 67 mm 9 5/day 16°C

Year 17,8°C 21,3°C 14,2°C 36 mm 5 8/day 17°C


ETA - Sorry, the format all goes to pot.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 5:11 pm

TB this morn:

(when, by the way, it was 70F in the shade at midday and around 100F+ in the sun - i.e. quite hot)

TB this aft:

I also said that if the shade temperature on Sunday 29th was 70F, the actual temperature in  the sun could be as high as 100F (38C).

So this chart produces the shade temperature does it now?

And some YouTube vid of an American kid, fresh out of college, doesn't prove anything about the weather temp in PDL.

Rather than posting up a chart then an actual link would be so much better so we can all see the original source and whilst you're looking for that, maybe you'll answer my question from the other day in what you 'suggested' to the McCanns lawyers.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  bluebell on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 5:15 pm

Thanks for that Andrew - yeah my format all goes to pot when I try to post it also

I welcome debate but truly think it would have been 'chilly' as we Brits say in late April/early May. It isn't the 'season' fgs.
Around 2 pm (hottest part of day) max 20 C at best, and in full sun for that. Evenings after sundown 10 c or below - I wouldn't be outside in those temps myself. bounce

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Châtelaine on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 5:26 pm

Nor were the T7. Jane went to have a fleece of her husband ...
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Dee Coy on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:01 pm

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/luz-weather-2007/

With grateful thanks to shininginluz, here are the temperature records for the full week Sunday 29 April to Saturday 5 May both at Faro (42 miles away) and Sagres (13 miles away).

Oh dear, the temperatures are almost identical on the Sunday and the Thursday, about 65 degrees. In fact, Sagres was fractionally warmer on the Thursday. That's about 19degrees C. That is 'pleasant', at best warm. It is far from hot, and unless Gerry has just finished a vinderloo it is hard to believe he would break sweat like that.

Faro



Sagres


Obviously, it could have been sunnier on the Sunday and cloudy on the Thursday, but it certainly wasn't warmer.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:08 pm

A very good find, Dee. Many thanks for posting that up.

So with Bennetts nonsense of breaking record temperatures of 100F plus on the Sunday to practically a snowstorm on the Thursday is again, complete utter tosh.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Dee Coy on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:12 pm

Freedom wrote:Thanks to Mr or Ms X who has let me know of Tony's reply to Dee Coy's post on a members only topic.

Dee Coy rant

Post by Tony Bennett Yesterday at 10:14 pm
A few days ago there was a plethora of truly ridiculous versions on candyfloss's forum about the 'creation' of the Last Photo. Not only was there canada12's 'flower pattern' idea, but a series of other improbable ideas, all of them trying to evade the obvious, namely that the Last Photo was  genuine photo, almost certainly taken on Sunday 29 April.

One of the most absurd interpretations was that of dee coy who believed she could 'divine' that the weather on the Last Photo was 'too hot' to have been taken on Sunday 29 April (when, by the way, it was 70F in the shade at midday and around 100F+ in the sun - i.e. quite hot). She suggested that it 'must have been' taken on a hotter day some time before Gerry McCann's trip  to England 20-22 May (in which case Gerry must have arranged for a photographer to take a pic of him and Amelie by the pool and then somehow shop Madeleine into it as well).    


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New post by Verdi Yesterday at 11:51 pm
What an eccentric performance big grin !

I will just comment on one little detail.  Dee Coy (good name!) wrote, I quote..

"Note to the good members of CMOMM - you will need to be registered here to access the above link. Please do. It is a welcoming and open forum. You will be able to see the transparency and honesty of the thoughts of people here for yourself, and not be reliant on the edited snippets Mr Bennett chooses to feed you."

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?  So open and transparent is the forum that you need to register to access a link - and most of the discussion goes on behind closed doors?

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New post by BlueBag Today at 6:50 am

   You will be able to see the transparency and honesty of the thoughts of people here for yourself


There is nothing honest about the flowers rubbish.

Just deliberate disinformation.


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Thanks for letting us know, Freedom. And many thanks to Mr or Mrs X.

Well, good on him for posting it, even if it is only in the hidden part. Guess he wouldn't want the great unwashed seeing it, preferring to keep it for his uncritical fans.

Interesting that only the greatest 2 groupies have commented. And lol, has Verdi no sense of irony? You're posting in a hidden forum yourself, dear!

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  purple ronnie on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:28 pm

I'm suprised aquila hasn't posted on that thread.

She usually pops up wherever Verdi and Bluebag are, but she doesn't seem to post there at all these days.

Maybe she's been photoshopped out?


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what made gerry sweat?

Post  Antonia on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:28 pm

Dee coy - you suggest that only a vindaloo might have caused Gerry to break out into a sweat.

Could it have been

a marathon game of tennis?

a marathon session in the bedroom with the fragrant Kate?

or chasing after naughty children?

there are many possibilities.......
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  unreorganised on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 8:20 pm

Antonia wrote:Dee coy - you suggest that only a vindaloo might have caused Gerry to break out into a sweat.

Could it have been

a marathon game of tennis?

a marathon session in the bedroom with the fragrant Kate?

or chasing after naughty children?

there are many possibilities.......

I played football over there once. I didn't stop sweating for about five hours afterwards. Seriously.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Dee Coy on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 8:29 pm

Antonia wrote:Dee coy - you suggest that only a vindaloo might have caused Gerry to break out into a sweat.

Could it have been

a marathon game of tennis?

a marathon session in the bedroom with the fragrant Kate?

or chasing after naughty children?

there are many possibilities.......

You're right, Antonia. I do him a terrible injustice.

All that marching up and down to the creche in 30 seconds flat in order to be at the pool at that time could be a bit pant-inducing.

Or all that sweating over a hot barbecue on Madeleine's birthday if you are partial the 'LP taken after 3rd May' theory. And, of course all that deleting of texts can work up a bit of a sheen, as well as cramping the thumb (it does look a bit red).

Poor Gerry. Bless 'im. He wasn't there to enjoy himself, you know.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 8:38 pm

Well if this photo was taken after the 3rd then it's not surprising Gerry has a sweat on.


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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  purple ronnie on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 8:40 pm

Taken, Andrew, taken.

Not took. lol!
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Post  Andrew on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 8:50 pm

purple ronnie wrote:Taken, Andrew, taken.

Not took. lol!

Well done for spotting my deliberate mistake.

You were the first to highlight it so extra points.

Will throw another one in tomorrow at some point so be on your toes. Very Happy
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 9:35 pm

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candyfloss wrote:
Freedom wrote:You know that he won't answer though.
No, he only picks and chooses.

However I want to ask just one simple question to do with this photo stuff.  A decent explanation would be good - but I fear impossible.

If as Mr Bennett and a few others suggest something happened to Madeleine right at the start of the holiday, and all this so called 'evidence' they have, which of course is nothing of the sort apart from speculation, that she according to them died earlier,  How on earth does he explain, (and others he researches with) how all those people acted normally for the rest of the week, playing tennis and taking children to creches etc.  Is he seriously trying to tell us they were all such good actors enjoying their holiday, whilst they knew something terrible had happened to Madeleine.  No chance, it would be impossible for so many to possibly do that, and to say perhaps some didn't know, then how could they explain where Madeleine was?

This is the crux of the whole thing.

We only have their say so that they had a jolly happy time during that week. If you look at what documented "evidence" there is, we see tennis sheets depicting some of them were able to appear on court for an hour at a time. Are these even genuine? We do not know what the mood was like. No one has stated they were laughing and joking the whole lesson so they could have just been going through the motions; playing a part.
I think there was supposed to be a day doing watersports. Where is the independant report of what a hoot they were having? There was one diner ( forget who) who said something about Gerry being the joker or something but I think you could turn on a performance if your life, children and career depended on it.
I'm not therefore, convinced that they couldn't all have acted out a role. When I say all, I mean the ones who were involved from the start. Others may only have had to hide their feelings at the end.

I think it was the week from hell......

I think Portuguese police clocked that their story was codswallop from day one.

GM I suspect fancied the quiz host. I suspect the Mc marriage was very strained.....evidence: the airport bus video....GM in a total strop.

Buxom quiz host materializes.....GM's week from hell becomes less hellish....Something happens on Sunday evening, imo (quiz night?) Monday is a day of panic. Tuesday more chaos as GM invites quiz host to table....Wednesday....a course of action has been decided on...

Thursday - as Dr Amaral states, a faked abduction is staged to cover up for a death.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 10:15 pm

Andrew wrote:TB this morn:

(when, by the way, it was 70F in the shade at midday and around 100F+ in the sun - i.e. quite hot)

TB this aft:

I also said that if the shade temperature on Sunday 29th was 70F, the actual temperature in  the sun could be as high as 100F (38C).

So this chart produces the shade temperature does it now?

And some YouTube vid of an American kid, fresh out of college, doesn't prove anything about the weather temp in PDL.

Rather than posting up a chart then an actual link would be so much better so we can all see the original source and whilst you're looking for that, maybe you'll answer my question from the other day in what you 'suggested' to the McCanns lawyers.

Great stuff. Cheers. Very Happy

Interesting...because according to Kate in her book of the truth the water temperature of the pool when she allegedly went swimming with Madeleine on Saturday was 'freezing'. And according to Kate in her book Sunday night was 'very cold' and she needed lots of layers to keep warm as the group were allegedly sitting in the outside part of the tapas restaurant within sight and ear-shot of the apartment where the children were...
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 10:20 pm

Dee Coy wrote:
Freedom wrote:Thanks to Mr or Ms X who has let me know of Tony's reply to Dee Coy's post on a members only topic.

Dee Coy rant

Post by Tony Bennett Yesterday at 10:14 pm
A few days ago there was a plethora of truly ridiculous versions on candyfloss's forum about the 'creation' of the Last Photo. Not only was there canada12's 'flower pattern' idea, but a series of other improbable ideas, all of them trying to evade the obvious, namely that the Last Photo was  genuine photo, almost certainly taken on Sunday 29 April.

One of the most absurd interpretations was that of dee coy who believed she could 'divine' that the weather on the Last Photo was 'too hot' to have been taken on Sunday 29 April (when, by the way, it was 70F in the shade at midday and around 100F+ in the sun - i.e. quite hot). She suggested that it 'must have been' taken on a hotter day some time before Gerry McCann's trip  to England 20-22 May (in which case Gerry must have arranged for a photographer to take a pic of him and Amelie by the pool and then somehow shop Madeleine into it as well).    


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New post by Verdi Yesterday at 11:51 pm
What an eccentric performance big grin !

I will just comment on one little detail.  Dee Coy (good name!) wrote, I quote..

"Note to the good members of CMOMM - you will need to be registered here to access the above link. Please do. It is a welcoming and open forum. You will be able to see the transparency and honesty of the thoughts of people here for yourself, and not be reliant on the edited snippets Mr Bennett chooses to feed you."

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?  So open and transparent is the forum that you need to register to access a link - and most of the discussion goes on behind closed doors?

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New post by BlueBag Today at 6:50 am

   You will be able to see the transparency and honesty of the thoughts of people here for yourself


There is nothing honest about the flowers rubbish.

Just deliberate disinformation.


BlueBag

   

Laughing

Thanks for letting us know, Freedom. And many thanks to Mr or Mrs X.

Well, good on him for posting it, even if it is only in the hidden part. Guess he wouldn't want the great unwashed seeing it, preferring to keep it for his uncritical fans.

Interesting that only the greatest 2 groupies have commented. And lol, has Verdi no sense of irony? You're posting in a hidden forum yourself, dear!

I give up! Very Happy


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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 10:27 am

... So anyway. Back to the title topic, 'Doubts of Mrs Fenn'.

Snipped from TB referring to it this morn:

I do not accept that there ever was a 'crying incidnet' on 1 May, or indeed any other time.

I find it remarkable that he more than accepted it before he had his little chat with the McCann lawyers. Proof of it all on record of him emphasising and putting great credence on it.

The volte-face after these 'suggestions' to the McCann lawyers is fascinating. I wish he would explain a bit more about that... He appears to cherry-pick stuff from here and post up over there but keeps ignoring my question..... I wonder why that is... scratch

(P.S a tip...Turn spellcheck on Tony. Your posts are always littered with spelling mistakes)
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 7:49 am

Andrew wrote:... So anyway. Back to the title topic, 'Doubts of Mrs Fenn'.

Snipped from TB referring to it this morn:

I do not accept that there ever was a 'crying incidnet' on 1 May, or indeed any other time.

I find it remarkable that he more than accepted it before he had his little chat with the McCann lawyers. Proof of it all on record of him emphasising and putting great credence on it.

The volte-face after these 'suggestions' to the McCann lawyers is fascinating. I wish he would explain a bit more about that... He appears to cherry-pick stuff from here and post up over there but keeps ignoring my question..... I wonder why that is... scratch

(P.S a tip...Turn spellcheck on Tony. Your posts are always littered with spelling mistakes)

Was just looking for something and accidentally bumped into this post.
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