Ian Huntley and the Soham girls

I had never questioned the Soham case until I did a lot of digging.  TBH I would like to be proven wrong as if Ian Huntley is innocent that means:

1. The killer/s of those two poor girls are still at large.
2. Justice has not been done in so far as the girls' murders.
3. Another terrible crime has been committed against two innocent people.

It was actually a journalist (from the Mirror?) who flagged up Ian Huntley as being suspicious. Why on earth should anyone take a single word that a Murdoch hack says seriously? FWIW: I don't think he looked suspicious at all. He looked genuinely worried. He  was being helpful, imo. He looked like a nice bloke who was trying to help out, imo.

He showed a policewoman who had a police-dog with her around the school campus and she was very grateful. The dogs did not get agitated around Huntley despite the fact he is supposed to have just carried out a double murder and Huntley was calm.

I know people say it's not fair on the families of the girls to question the conviction but I don't agree. Surely no-one wants to see a gross miscarriage of justice unless, of course, you have something to lose if the real perpetrators of the crime are brought to justice.

(Think Iraq dirty war and propaganda...)

It was trial by Murdoch newspaper. They even put him in a high-security van and got a 'rent-a-mob' to scream at him and be shown on TV

The perpetrators of the crime are far more likely to have been within the boundaries of the US high security airbase, imo. And, incredibly, as far as I know, police did not interview people within the airbase. Is that really true? Why on earth should US servicemen or women be above suspicion??

Despite the fact that the bodies were found just outside the perimeter fence....

Theoretical, as always. There are, however, many who question this case and it is all readily available on line.

poster wrote:Hadn't seen this before. Wow! When you consider all the deleted phone calls on the McCanns phones. Just how desperate is/was the state to take the trail away from TM?

   

Telecommunications experts from the UK are attempting to trace the movement of the abductor of Madeleine McCann by following a trail left by mobile telephone signals.

A team of British specialists have arrived in the Algarve to attempt to pinpoint the movements of mobile telephones around the resort complex where Madeleine was abducted 26 days ago.

The technique was used to collect the evidence which helped convict Ian Huntley for the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in 2002.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id86.html

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These experts I would imagine have a pretty good idea of who was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. And we know that TM are quite coy about the use of their phones claiming they never took them to dinner with them - despite leaving their children alone

With regard to The Soham case, it would be very interesting indeed to see the movement of Ian Huntley's phone.

It is on record that six witnesses claim to have seen the Soham girls after Huntley had allegedly killed them and none of them were called to the trial.

I wonder what other phone records the experts managed to get with regard to the Soham case?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

Isn't this topic in the wrong thread?

Soham Murders in the Games and Puzzles section.....

The Huntley/Soham stuff is sprouting up everywhere

How accurate is the 'Illuminati News' though for factual references on and about the case..?

Sorry for the temporary problems here, I was transferring some posts from the CMoMM website topic and got into a right muddle.

Andrew wrote:The Huntley/Soham stuff is sprouting up everywhere

How accurate is the 'Illuminati News' though for factual references on and about the case..?

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A lot more accurate than the Mirror, imo!! Just look how they reported on the McCann case.....


Just read into the Soham case...

Apparently, according to some reports (will double check their veracity) quite a few witnesses saw the girls after they had spoken to Huntley. They were even captured on CCTV camera in a carpark. And then staff remember them from a sports centre where they went to buy sweets from a vending machine.

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Reported last sightings of Jessica and Holly:

18.15 - Two girls wearing red tops were seen walking along the main road between school and the town centre, though police were reported not to be treating this as a confirmed sighting.

18.17 - CCTV cameras at the Ross Peers sports centre, on a nearby college campus, showed the girls crossing the centre's car park. They were seen entering the car park via an alleyway, Gidney Lane, from the main road, Sand Street.


Approx. 18.30 - There were four separate sightings of the pair walking along Sand Street towards the town centre, but the time given by the witnesses may not be accurate. However, four separate witnesses are not likely to be equally far out, so the timing should be approximately accurate.

Approx. 18.30 - Staff at the sports centre say that the girls came in at around this time to buy sweets from a vending machine in the entrance lobby.

18.45 - Staff at the centre believed that the girls left the college grounds via College Way, and the next confirmed sighting was at 1845 in the town centre nearby.

Four separate witnesses saw the pair in the vicinity of the town's war memorial, in Red Lion square, by the High Street.

One more witness reported seeing two girls fitting the description of Holly and Jessica at the southern end of Soham, a considerable distance from the town centre.

19.00 - The girls were reportedly seen at 1900 on the A142, near the Q8 garage, at the Downfield Roundabout, walking south in the direction of Newmarket. The police said that this report is unconfirmed at this stage. This sighting however corresponds in direction and place with the car incident reported by taxi driver Ian Webster.

These sightings correspond with Ian Huntley's witness statement. The trail goes progressively away from his house.


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I wonder where they were heading, though...? It doesn't sound like a safe journey for two schoolgirls in the evening along main roads, through car parks...where were they going? Were they planning to meet someone or what? Had they told their parents where they were going and what time they were coming back? It just sounds like an unsafe journey....

They were heading in the direction of Newmarket( which happens, quite possibly coincidentally,  to be near where the US airbase Mildenhall is, I do believe?)


http://www.newmarketjournal.co.uk/news/shock-as-raf-base-to-close-1-6521699


https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=42659

Oh dear, oh dear!

I am not liking what I am finding....

Snipped from link below. I have no idea as to its authenticity but the Mirror tends not to be accurate either...

If we go back in the investigation three days, to August 13th, we can find a possible explanation for this police clairvoyance. On that day, a local jogger reported to the police having seen two mounds of recently disturbed ground at Warren Hill in Newmarket. These were thought to be shallow graves, and so they must have looked like it. This same jogger had also reported, a week before, having heard child-like screams from this area three hours after the abductions, so that the timing and place are significant.

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The possibility that these mounds were actually where the police found the bodies would explain where the police acquired the forensic evidence, and why they were able to know that the girls were dead before the public found the bodies at Lakenheath. It would also show that the placing of the bodies at Lakenheath was part of the fraud against Huntley, because this is near the place where Maxine Carr had taken her adopted surname (a lake called The Carr) and where Ian Huntley's father and grandmother lived. This design corresponds with that of the forensic evidence itself, connecting the dead bodies to the defendants in the same way.

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The Newmarket taxi driver Ian Webster reported to the police having seen at the time of the abductions (approx 7 pm) a metallic green saloon car which was being driven erratically and suicidally down the A142, the road that runs between Soham and Newmarket where Warren Hill stands. Ian Webster had been following this car and had pulled back two hundred yards because of the dangerous driving. He reported seeing the driver careering into the curbs on both sides of the road while struggling with two children in his car. The driver was reaching out backwards over his seat and flapping at something in the hands of a child in the back seat. Mr Webster said that this child had brown hair, and that he thought there was another child in the front seat. Given the fact that the driver was driving in this way with children in his car, his behaviour cannot have been any other than that of the abductor himself, and given the timing also, this incident cannot describe any other situation than the abduction. The girl with the brown hair in the back seat would have been Jessica and she was the one with the mobile phone. The abductor would not have been able to stop his car to deal with any problem with this because the girls would have been able to get out of the car and run away.

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Who knows? The the above is certainly not impossible and is, in my humble opinion, more likely than the Huntley/Carr scenario.....I find the whole story deeply disturbing and a truly horrific reflection on the most sordid and corrupt elements of society. Whether or not there is corruption in this particular case, corruption exists and labelling people 'conspiracy loons' because they question the establishment version of 'the truth' is pretty dumb.

But all IMHO of course...


http://www.justjustice.org/

No, sorry ,I do NOT believe that the police dug up the bodies of two young girls and moved them

PMR wrote:No, sorry ,I do NOT believe that the police dug up the bodies of two young girls and moved them

Not saying they did - someone else said that.

Quite possible it was the perpetrators of the crime that moved the bodies away from the scene of the crime and towards another site to avoid detection and perhaps point the finger of blame onto other people.

So, theoretically and purely hypothetically speaking if, say, the crime had been committed in or near the US airbase near Newbury, then it is, I suppose, possible that the perpetrators of the crime could have moved the bodies to another site - perhaps near another US airbase?

On the basis that there might be intelligence linking the murders to a US airbase or, on the other hand, attempting to link the murders to a US airbase when this was not the case. (This latter scenario added to keep all options open.)

Although if it is true that those within the US airbases were not interviewed by police then I think that is a gross omission and tends to suggest that either those people are above the law or that there was an attempt not to find out what might have happened.

IMO! Who knows?

I feel so sorry for the families of the girls. In their grief I am sure they would have wanted to find a culprit very quickly. In reality I think some heinous crimes are part of a deeper malaise that can run through societies and are quite unpalatable for a 'normal' person to comprehend. I suspect this crime falls into that category. Ditto the Madeleine McCann case,

As stated before, would love to be proven wrong.

WTF!!


Child murderer Ian Huntley wants SEX CHANGE to get cushier life in women's jail

SICK child killer Ian Huntley wants a sex change at the taxpayers’ expense so that he can spend the rest of his life in a female prison.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/578439/ian-huntley-sex-change-child-murderer-women-prison

I'm taking this one with a very large pinch of salt!

Yeah a load of codswollop I reckon and the source is a former inmate:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/soham-child-killer-ian-huntley-9626220

I'm reminded of a character from M*A*S*H who dressed as a woman in the hope that he would be declared unfit to serve and sent home.

It's hard to say which is a more unbelievable source of information - an ex-con with a story about a high profile prisoner or a "pal" of the McCanns!

Andrew wrote:Yeah a load of codswollop I reckon and the source is a former inmate:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/soham-child-killer-ian-huntley-9626220

The Star really is a pile of horse manure. But I find the story of interest because it would seem that there is a need to ensure that Ian Huntley is linked with other high profile and much reviled criminals.

Hmmmmm....

What the taxi driver - and three passengers in his car saw (ie: four independent witnesses) strikes me as being entirely consistent with the behaviour of a man who has abducted two girls and bundled them in a car to take them away somewhere with a view to causing them harm. Note how one of the girls is in the front of the car with one in the back. Rather than both being in the back, for instance. The taxi driver says the man was struggling with the two children and driving incredibly erratically. The man appears 'demented' which could well be consistent with the behaviour of someone about to commit such a heinous crime.

Contrast this behaviour with the cool, calm and collected Ian Huntley who is quite happy to show a policewoman and her police dog around the school grounds and the police woman is extremely grateful because he is so helpful.

Note how two of taxi driver's passengers corroborated the driver's story while a third 'partially' corroborated the story.

Note how the police dragged their feet about interviewing the driver. Given what an important witness the taxi driver is could this possibly suggest that police already knew or at least suspected, when the taxi driver contacted them with the sighting, that Holly and Jessica would not be found alive and well?

Looks to me like the taxi driver saw what happened. Interesting to note in which direction the car was heading.

Police have interviewed Ian Webster, the cab driver in question, and three passengers in the car.
Two had "nothing significant" to add to his story and the third only partially corroborated what he had told detectives.
However with other witnesses also reporting a similar green car in the centre of Soham at the time the girls disappeared, police are keen for the driver to come forward.


Earlier in the day Mr Webster said that he had made at least three separate attempts to tell police that he had seen a driver struggling with two children before eventually being contacted by the detectives.
The taxi driver, whose information was described as a breakthrough by police on Monday, said he was "gobsmacked" by the delay, which he described as "incredible" yesterday.
Mr Webster, 56, said his sighting of the "demented" driver in a green saloon car on the outskirts of Soham came as he was taking his passengers from Ely to Newmarket a week ago last Sunday.
"He was away from this world in terms of his own safety and other people's safety," he said.


The taxi driver noticed the car near the Q8 service station at the edge of the village - the location of an unconfirmed report of the missing schoolgirls.
Mr Webster said it was 7.01 pm when he first saw the car on a roundabout on the A142, heading east towards Newmarket.
"It was being driven in a very, very erratic manner. It was wavering all across the road on both sides of the road, hitting the banks both sides of the road.
"There were two small children obscured from vision, one in the front seat, one in the back seat behind the passenger seat," he said.
"I was 30 yards behind it. It was if the car had dropped out of the sky. The driver in front was suicidal in his actions.

Mr Webster followed the car from the roundabout until it turned into Studlands Park Avenue on the outskirts of Newmarket about six or seven minutes later.
The road leads to a residential area, where many of the houses are occupied by American servicemen based at Lakenheath and Mildenhall, and an industrial estate, before running back into the countryside.

Mr Webster said he had presented his information in good faith. "I find it incredible that the police did not react. They may have had reasons for not doing so and may have had other priorities. My main concern is that the children are found safe and well."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1404354/Taxi-driver-astounded-by-police-delay.html

I think that there can only really be one credible explanation as to why the taxi driver - and three passengers - were not contacted sooner by police. Holly and Jessica had still not been found at this stage, allegedly, so surely the emphasis was on finding them?

The description of the driver's flailing arms and of how he repeatedly turned around to face the backseat where a child with brown hair was sitting would be, imo, consistent with the abductor trying to prevent the child in the back seat from using a mobile to seek help, for instance.

The timings here would be pretty accurate as we have not just the taxi driver but also three passengers.

I would imagine that there would also be witnesses to this car driving erratically as this appeared to happen over quite a long distance. So therefore if the police had made public the taxi drivers statement giving a description of the car and the timings I would imagine that other drivers/pedestrians etc might have also noticed this and might have come forward possibly with more information. Possibly with more information about what the girls in the car looked like. What they might have been wearing, for instance. The colour of hair of the girl in the front seat. A better description of the driver. Maybe even noting a number-plate as it is quite clear that the girls were in danger of at the least a car accident and perhaps more.

But it wasn't until Sunday August 11 - more than four days after the information was fed to Cambridgeshire police and a week after the girls vanished - that detectives arrived to question him.

"I feel incredulous that they did not react sooner. They may have had other priorities on their minds, but how could they lose four days when time is of the essence?" he said.

"There was an unacceptable delay. I would think the parents of the children concerned - and the public - might want an explanation for it."


The driver's arms were flailing and the man - described as aged between 38 and 45 - repeatedly turned around to face the backseat, where Mr Webster saw a child with brown hair similar to Jessica's.

He added that one of his passengers, whom he had driven from Ely to Newmarket, had also contacted police on the Tuesday after the girls' vanished - the day police suggested the girls had been abducted.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/14/childprotection.children3

Interesting timings here. When was Ian Huntley arrested?

NEW LEADS: POLICE EXPLORE ALL OPTIONS SUNDAY, 4 AUGUST After enjoying a family barbecue, the girls are reported missing by Holly’s parents at 8:30pm.

Numerous sightings, including that of a taxi driver who saw the driver of a green saloon driving erratically and lashing out at two girls, are later reported.

Between 10:40pm and 11:10pm, a jogger out walking his dog at Warren Hill, Newmarket, hears what he describes as "teenagers’ screams".

MONDAY, 5 AUGUST Dawn search begins. About 500 people join police in hunt.

TUESDAY, 6 AUGUST David Beckham appeals for the girls to return home. Ian Webster, a taxi driver, first contacts police. Jogger who heard screams on Sunday night goes to police.

WEDNESDAY, 7 AUGUST Mr Webster is first interviewed by police, in Wales. . Police admit that the girls may have been abducted.

THURSDAY, 8 AUGUST Police release last CCTV pictures of the girls.

FRIDAY, 9 AUGUST Mr Webster contacts police again, as detectives follow leads gleaned from Holly’s computer.

SATURDAY, 10 AUGUST Reconstruction of Holly and Jessica’s last known movements .

SUNDAY, 11 AUGUST Families attend prayer service. Mr Webster interviewed by a detective .

MONDAY, 12 AUGUST Police reveal possible sighting of the girls being kidnapped. They say a taxi driver saw a motorist grappling with two children as he swerved across the A142 south of Soham, just after the girls went missing. Hunt moves to Newmarket, where the mystery driver was headed.

TUESDAY, 13 AUGUST Mr Webster denies he was responsible for any delay in following up what could be vital information in the search. At 4:25pm, police accompany jogger to Warren Hill, where he had earlier discovered what appeared to be shallow graves. At 6:45pm, police release details about the discovery of the disturbed earth.

WEDNESDAY, 14 AUGUST After working into the early hours of the morning, police make preliminary examinations of the two patches of newly-turned earth. Later in the morning, Det Chief Insp Andy Hebb says the searches found no connection with the disappearance of Holly and Jessica. At 6pm, Det Sup David Beck makes a televised appeal stating that a hotline has been set up for any abductor of the pair to call him in person. He sets a deadline of midnight on Thursday.

Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/the-longest-night-of-their-lives-1-617173


http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/the-longest-night-of-their-lives-1-617173

'It would appear that the girls did not tell their parents they were going out that evening and just left without saying anything. I'm not sure if this was normal for them? Or whether they were supposed to ask permission to go out but chose not to that evening for whatever reason?

This appears to be unclear in any of the reports I have read and I would think it is quite an important point. Because if they were supposed to ask permission to go out but didn't then that might suggest they didn't want their parents to know what they were doing or where they were going. Not saying this was the case but just raising it as a possibility.

It could possibly suggest that they had been lured out by someone...I know that police looked at their computer use to glean some clues as to who they might have been in contact with in the hours/days/weeks before they disappeared.

I think I am right in saying there was not such a good understanding of the dangers of grooming over the internet in those days. I could be wrong. I can't really remember. But obviously police would have looked into the possibility of this.

If it is true that the skipped away from their chat with Ian Huntley as happy as Larry then where were they heading and what were they planning to do?


http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/he_drove_like_a_man_demented_1_128542


This sounds like a more plausible explanation for what might possibly have happened: snipped from link below which I find to be a not unreasonable possibility as to what might have happened.

The last point to consider before returning to the plight of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr, is the strange fate of four wives at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the former home base of Staff Sergeant Ronghi. All four wives were allegedly killed by their Sergeant husbands when they returned from active duty in Afghanistan, during the same week that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went missing. US Army authorities are currently trying to establish whether or not an anti-malarial drug all were taking contributed to the murders. The drug is acknowledged to have extra-pyramidal psychotic side-effects, and is prescribed to all US Servicemen in Afghanistan.

There are no direct flights out of Afghanistan to the USA, meaning that all American servicemen including those seriously affected by the drug, and also affected by PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) are obliged to change aircraft either in Germany or in England – normally at USAF Mildenhall. As a matter of urgency the British public should shame their local police into establishing accurately how many of these servicemen transited through USAF Mildenhall and USAF Lakenheath during the week that Holly and Jessica vanished.

https://spidercatweb.blog/category/mk-ultra-mind-control-programming/page/2/?iframe=true

Never saw this before

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/crime/lakenheath-sergeant-gets-47-years-for-child-sex-offences-1-7438020

chirpyinsect wrote:Never saw this before

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/crime/lakenheath-sergeant-gets-47-years-for-child-sex-offences-1-7438020

Unfortunately there are many instances of atrocities carried out by US soldiers on civilians including children.

I think Ian Webster the taxi driver may well have seen the girls' abductor taking them away in a car that fateful Sunday evening. I know police later dismissed this sighting saying that there had been a mistake over timings and the sighting had been at 6pm nevertheless there were four people in that car. Did all four state that the sighting was at 6pm? It would be quite easy to have verified the timings as there would be a record of pick-up times at the taxi firm that the driver worked for. And the passengers would also recall at what time they asked for the taxi to pick them up. Did all the passengers see the driver and the girls? That is a total of four eye-witnesses.

Given how very erratically the car was being driven, and the fact that there appeared to have been two children in it, I think it is perfectly possible that someone noted the registration plate of the car. Either someone in the taxi or another eye-witness - perhaps a driver who had to avoid a collision with the car or a pedestrian.

It may be that the taxi driver was not the first person to report the car being driven erratically. Especially as two children were in it. Perhaps someone reported it that evening. Heck - they could even have reported it when they saw it - ie: around 7pm on Sunday.

When the news broke that the girls were missing (the alarm is first raised at 8.30pm on Sunday)  surely this would jog memories and anyone who had seen the erratically-driven car with two children in it would have come forward?

Between 10.40pm and 11.10pm on Sunday evening a dog-walker hears 'teenagers' scream' in the Warren Hill area.

On Tuesday the taxi-driver Ian Walker and the dog walker who heard screams on Sunday evening  both contact the police.

The following Tuesday - 13th August - police accompany the walker to Warren Hill where he had earlier seen what looked like 'shallow graves'. Police spend nearly all night here.

On Wednesday 14th August police state that the patches of newly-turned earth have no connection to the girls' disappearance. It is reported that the earth is from badger sets.

At 6pm on Wednesday police make a televised appeal for the abductor to call police directly giving a deadline of midnight on Thursday.

Not long after this police interview Ian Huntley.

IMO it is quite possible that the taxi driver was not the first person to report the erratically-driven car. This might account for the police delay in speaking to him. Quite a few eye-witnesses report having seen the girls that Sunday evening in and around Soham. I suspect police put together a picture quite early on of where the girls went, who took them and how.

The early hours in cases such as these are critical.

ETA: Notice how the police time-frame of events, if we are to believe that Ian Huntley committed the crime, places the crime happening very early on after the girls left their house. There might be a reason for this, if any credence can be given to the theory that Huntley is the victim of a miscarriage of justice. The girls were apparently inside Huntley's home from between around 6.30pm and 6.45pm that Sunday evening. They had gone to buy sweets, it is said, and visited his house on their way back home. Is this, I wonder, a deliberate ploy to suggest that the girls were heading home and the crime happened early on in Soham. Whereas, perhaps, the girls were heading in a different direction and the crime happened later on and somewhere different. I suspect that the girls passed his home and spoke to him not on their way back but on their way out. This would mean Huntley would know exactly what direction the girls were heading, what time he saw them and possibly might know where they were going.

Theories as always. Nothing stated as fact.



http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/the-longest-night-of-their-lives-1-617173

Tomorrow.

candyfloss wrote:WTF!!


Child murderer Ian Huntley wants SEX CHANGE to get cushier life in women's jail

SICK child killer Ian Huntley wants a sex change at the taxpayers’ expense so that he can spend the rest of his life in a female prison.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/578439/ian-huntley-sex-change-child-murderer-women-prison

Maybe there was some truth in this after all!

Is "Lian" supposedly a female name? I've never heard of it unless it's a dreadful spelling of Leanne.

Maybe it's "lying" as in telling porkies........