Petition for Home Office to publish a report into Operation Grange

Can't say I am not fair and don't give him an airing........

What are your thoughts, good idea or not.  Does anyone have the right to 'ORDER' the Home Secretary to do anything?  Is it correct that we need an enquiry/report into Operation Grange, or should the police be allowed to get on with their work.




Anthony Bennett ‏@zampos  · 43m43 minutes ago  
@vivienmiss Thanks for the RT, 144 have signed new Maddie #McCann petition re #OperationGrange in the 1st two hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562 …





Petition
Order the Home Office to publish a report on the Madeleine McCann inquiry

Enquiries by British (and Portuguese) police forces have cost around £15 million in 8 years. The public is now entitled to a full report on how that has been spent. The report should cover the role of the government, the security services & UK police forces.

My honest opinion is keep out if it. Let us see wait they conclude with before stirring the pot. After all if it goes the way we want it to, there will be no complaints about how much they spent getting there.

Bonkers [excuse my language]: a lot of police investigations cost millions. Nobody complaints about it [or is even aware of it] until there's a result. So ... let's wait for the result.

ETA Chirpy "great minds think alike" :-)

Totally agree chirps, if people start demanding what the money is being used for, it might cause an uproar when a little more is needed.

They should just be allowed to get on with it imo.

Personally I don't think this is a good idea. I'd prefer to wait and see if and what Operation Grange come up with,after all it is an ongoing police investigation. I'm not against petitions, I signed the one for Ashya King as I felt so strongly about it and thankfully it was successful. Also to be effective you really need to have thousands of signatures to make an impact. Just my thoughts.

OG need to be left alone not sidetracked into report making wasting time and money in process and Home Secretary should be independent and speak when there is something to say.

Yep, I agree with all of you.

£15 million is small change compared to some investigations and I'm quite happy to wait until Operation Grange is concluded.

I honestly don't see the point of a report. What will it achieve?

If OG is a genuine investigation any premature report could damage the outcome. The police should be allowed to get on with their investigation regardless of the cost. Giving the public (in the words of the petition) the "fullest possible explanations and answers" could cause constraints on the investigation and that would possibly undo all the hard work achieved so far. The money that everyone is up in arms about would have been wasted.

If OG is a whitewash designed to protect the Mcs then any report into their "investigation" is not going to give honest answers either. Simple as that.

It's a lose/lose situation and I don't think the creator of this petition has thought this through.

surely its only calling for a report on what the money has actually been spent on. This would not take the police off the operation. This would be work for an admin person who deals with the expenses claims of the officers involved. It is a ridiculous amount of money in the context of an 'abducted' child when there is no evidence of the abduction (other than the fact she has vanished).

I support this petition tho it will be embarassing if it doesn't get substantial signatures.

I voted yes - why shouldn't public officials, paid for by public money, be directly accountable to the public that funded them

I think the wording of the poll is unhelpful. It implies that having a report on how the money has been spent would mean the work of the review being affected. As I posted earlier, the report will take the time of an admin/accounts person and not the time of the officers on the review. this is our tax money that is being spent and I would like to know specifically what it is being spent on.

Antonia wrote:I think the wording of the poll is unhelpful. It implies that having a report on how the money has been spent would mean the work of the review being affected. As I posted earlier, the report will take the time of an admin/accounts person and not the time of the officers on the review. this is our tax money that is being spent and I would like to know specifically what it is being spent on.

I disagree it was worded to say that they should be allowed to get on and finish and then, only then if it all amounts to nothing should we have or clamour for a report. If there is an outcome then no we shouldn't anyway the money will have been well spent imo. How many cases should we have reports on then, much more is probably spent on other cases, (someone quoted one the other day) it is wasting more money imo.

Its hardly wasting more money to have an admin person who is employed anyway to put some figures together. I would presume they would be putting together annual figures anyway so just a matter of putting these figures into a spreadsheet.

It is a ludicrous spend for one missing child when the answer to why she is missing this obvious to anyone with half a brain. Taxpayers have the right to some info.

@ TB - "The public is now entitled to a full report"

NO IT IS NOT

Maybe when it`s concluded in an unsatifactory way yes, but FGS leave them to get on with it for now.

Antonia wrote:Its hardly wasting more money to have an admin person who is employed anyway to put some figures together. I would presume they would be putting together annual figures anyway so just a matter of putting these figures into a spreadsheet.

It is a ludicrous spend for one missing child when the answer to why she is missing this obvious to anyone with half a brain. Taxpayers have the right to some info.

But even doing that would give clues (or make known) what they`ve been investigating IMO

Can someone direct me to ONE single case, where a flood of FOI requests have been entered to get this kind of information [and other] to the extent, that after time replies were refused, because the requests were too numerous and "vexatious" IIRC ...

Mimi wrote:

Antonia wrote:Its hardly wasting more money to have an admin person who is employed anyway to put some figures together. I would presume they would be putting together annual figures anyway so just a matter of putting these figures into a spreadsheet.

It is a ludicrous spend for one missing child when the answer to why she is missing this obvious to anyone with half a brain. Taxpayers have the right to some info.

But even doing that would give clues (or make known) what they`ve been investigating IMO

That is a very good point Mimi.

Its also possible that a financial report wouldn't tell us anything we didn't know already. the Fund audited accounts don't tell us much after all.

The report might just be on the following lines

salaries
Travel
telephone, post and stationary
Miscellaneous costs

Total: £millions

very enlightening!

I really don't feel that strongly about the petition either way. But maybe it might be a little pressure on the Grange team to hurry up.

Mimi wrote:@ TB - "The public is now entitled to a full report"

NO IT IS NOT

Maybe when it`s concluded in an unsatifactory way yes, but FGS leave them to get on with it for now.

In what way would producing a break down of the costs so far inhibit any investigation? Surely the figures have already been produced for the home office - they'll want to know where their money is being spent.

AndyB wrote:

Mimi wrote:@ TB - "The public is now entitled to a full report"

NO IT IS NOT

Maybe when it`s concluded in an unsatifactory way yes, but FGS leave them to get on with it for now.

In what way would producing a break down of the costs so far inhibit any investigation? Surely the figures have already been produced for the home office - they'll want to know where their money is being spent.

*** Exactly. And they're the ones who need to know ...

A bit of an own goal by Verdi over the way.
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"I'm sure the McCanns and their extensive support network will be signing, once they are acquainted with it's existence - HOLA Michael, the Wright man!  It's in their interest to know how Operation Grange has progressed over the past 4+ years - isn't it?"

Or maybe that's the point.

chirpyinsect wrote:A bit of an own goal by Verdi over the way.
Quote.

"I'm sure the McCanns and their extensive support network will be signing, once they are acquainted with it's existence - HOLA Michael, the Wright man!  It's in their interest to know how Operation Grange has progressed over the past 4+ years - isn't it?"

Or maybe that's the point.

Yes I am sure Team McCann want to know what is going on as much, if not more, than anyone else. I very much doubt they are being updated. And of course, rumours are flying around that 'certain' people have been called in for interview.

I'm not supporting the Petition. This is a live investigation, and imo, Petitions etc, will simply muddy the waters. If this does all turn out to be a massive cover up, I will happily sign petitions or calls to action, but I think it is wrong to interfere with a criminal investigation at this stage.

AndyB wrote:

Mimi wrote:@ TB - "The public is now entitled to a full report"

NO IT IS NOT

Maybe when it`s concluded in an unsatifactory way yes, but FGS leave them to get on with it for now.

In what way would producing a break down of the costs so far inhibit any investigation? Surely the figures have already been produced for the home office - they'll want to know where their money is being spent.

McCanns have always been very keen to find out what evidence the police have, they even took a civil action against Leicester Police to have their files handed over - happily they failed.

A breakdown of costs would be a strong indicator as to the lines of enquiry the police are following.

That's the way my mind is working , the only people who would want to know how an investigation is going with that much intricacy are those with sweaty palms . I;m just happy yo wait and see , I also think that the reason OG are not worrying about rushing is because they know there is no live child to find.