Terrorist attacks in London

Andrew wrote:Terribly sad, PMR.

Surprised that a lot of folk here have not said anything on this horrific stuff.

I suppose I`ve been too shocked to post. It`s hard to take in all those people being mown down.

Mimi wrote:

Andrew wrote:Terribly sad, PMR.

Surprised that a lot of folk here have not said anything on this horrific stuff.

I suppose I`ve been too shocked to post.  It`s hard to take in all those people being mown down.

Me too Mimi, too close to home

Yes, I agree.

It's one of those incidents where I can't bear to read or see too much about what happened.

I will never understand how anyone can take another`s life - even if by accident surely one would never get over it. I`m still finding it hard to accept I made the decision to end my dog`s life even though numerous people have told me I did the right thing.

If I had been a young man in 1939 no doubt I would have been a conscientious objector. I doubt I would have ever been able to kill a German. It`s no wonder men came back changed. And of course if I`d objected in the first world war I would have been shot by my own government.

The words of Bohemian Rhapsody always get to me - regretting what he did :-

"Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooh, didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters
Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine, body's aching all the time
Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooh, I don't want to die"

Surely anyone who had accidentally ended someone`s life would feel this way.

Did anyone see this about Philip Schofield walking defiantly over London Bridge then getting mocked for it?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/phillip-schofield-walks-over-westminster-bridge-in-defiance-after-terror-attack-a3498361.html

I do think this word defiance is over used. We had to change our son's university because he was befriended by a group of Muslims ( not British) who were very keen to convert him, gave him Islamic clothes and had some very dodgy ideas and values ( mainly Saudi). There was a very powerful Islamic society and Mosque on campus ( which we didn't know about). When he came home for the summer holiday we had to change his phone as he was being bombarded with calls from ' brothers'. We reported it to the police and our son came round to the idea that what had happened wasn't right and he agreed to change uni. All is well now. We were visited by a Prevent officer, himself a moderate Muslim who told us converts were particularly vulnerable as they are blank slates so to speak. I'd like a bit more control of our universities and more monitoring of Mosques  and a bit less posturing by celebrities. A terrible, senseless crime by yet another a convert to Islam. More needs to be done to safeguard young people from radicalisation IMO.

I hope it's okay to put something personal here - I tell as many people as I can because our experience brought this issue close to home and I think our universities are really quite dangerous places these days.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208983513212709&set=a.1347741341257.2048416.1463015929&type=3

This is an appalling piece of propaganda in that it identifies a particular person. You can just imagine the effect it's likely to have on knuckle-dragging inbreeds who believe the most ridiculous stories.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/24/woman-hijab-westminster-bridge-attack-victim-photo-misappropriated

What's_up_doc? wrote:I do think this word defiance is over used. We had to change our son's university because he was befriended by a group of Muslims ( not British) who were very keen to convert him, gave him Islamic clothes and had some very dodgy ideas and values ( mainly Saudi). There was a very powerful Islamic society and Mosque on campus ( which we didn't know about). When he came home for the summer holiday we had to change his phone as he was being bombarded with calls from ' brothers'. We reported it to the police and our son came round to the idea that what had happened wasn't right and he agreed to change uni. All is well now. We were visited by a Prevent officer, himself a moderate Muslim who told us converts were particularly vulnerable as they are blank slates so to speak. I'd like a bit more control of our universities and more monitoring of Mosques  and a bit less posturing by celebrities. A terrible, senseless crime by yet another a convert to Islam. More needs to be done to safeguard young people from radicalisation IMO.

I hope it's okay to put something personal here - I tell as many people as I can because our experience brought this issue close to home and I think our universities are really quite dangerous places these days.

Scary I hope your son found a suitable Uni.

I`d like to see more clerics speaking out in defiance of these people. But they risk being targets themselves if they do so.

Hi Mimi - all's well that ends well although I think he realised it wasn't right and now feels naive. This university has a mosque on campus and it attracts students in high numbers from countries such as Saudi. I do believe that Mosques need some form of standardisation. At universities were you have a high proportion of young men from countries with values not necessarily compatible with our own this is even more problematic. I didn't want to be self indulgent writing about my own experience but I wanted to show how easy it is for radicalisation to the place. My son has a strong familly who support him but if this was not the case I think the existence had could have been very dangerous indeed.

Just been following this

As I live in London and work in Central London, I have to say this is the first time I have felt really scared, already having the previous terrorist attacks. Big difference in organising a bomb and simply hiring a car and getting a bag of knives. Many people I know feel the same. RIP to the victims and thoughts with their family and friends.

Totally understandable Chrissie - I would feel the same. I have worried for a long time about family members that work in central London and use the underground daily. It must have been after 7/7 that I had to travel to London a fair bit and I was totally paranoid even back then. I wouldn`t use the underground and used buses but all the time was checking for suspicious looking men with rucksacks. Maybe best to get taxis everywhere ATM.

Thanks Mimi, after 7/7 changed to the overground. Luckily I now get a lift to and from work from a colleague. But I was out in Covent Garden on Friday night and the events just made me think. Will I stand strong or will I change what I do? I will because of my son and politicians saying carry on as normal are making my blood boil at the moment

So tomorrow I am going for lunch with my girlies at Kensington roof gardens. I was born in North London and always lived here. We have to take photo ID, passport or driving license to get in. Never had to do that before so just going to leave my passport in my handbag from now on. Yes, it has affected us Londoners

Have a lovely time Chrissie. Let us know the atmosphere in London.

Thanks Mimi, had a great day. Restaurant was packed and Kensington High Street was busy as ever. Guess people are just getting on with their lives , I'm still quite wary though.

Glad to hear you had a good time at lunch today chrissie. Life goes on of course, but imo you're sensible to be wary and alert still. Take care x

Oh dear, this sounds like someone's idea of revenge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-41278545


An explosion on a Tube train in south-west London is being treated as terrorism, Scotland Yard has said.
Passengers were injured following the blast at 08:20 BST (07:20 GMT) at Parsons Green station.
Pictures show a white bucket on fire inside a supermarket bag, but do not appear to show extensive damage to the inside of the carriage.
The Metropolitan Police said "a number of people" had been injured and advised people to avoid the area.
It was too early to confirm the cause of the fire and the station has been cordoned off, the statement said.
Witnesses have described seeing at least one passenger with facial injuries.
Others have spoken of "panic" as alarmed passengers left the train at Parsons Green station.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-41218382 Latest updates: Incident at Parsons Green

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41277938 Parsons Green: Witnesses describe 'panic'

Passenger Peter Crowley said he was sat in the carriage when the explosion happened.
He said his head was burned by a "really hot intense fireball above my head" and added: "There were people a lot worse than me."

I've only just seen this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545