Why the Smith Sighting - and not the Last Photo - is the Key to the Madeleine McCann Case - Criminal Profiler Pat Brown

It cannot be him on thinking about it, if it was they would say it was, and if they said it was and it wasn't they could not do that - so they use someone with an accent and it gives the impression it is him.... if you get me drift

Andrew, I don't know if it was here or on CMoMM but there were other clips from interviews - taken from the Find Madeleine site as is this one - and they were clearly just other people reading them out.

Freedom wrote:Andrew, I don't know if it was here or on CMoMM but there were other clips from interviews - taken from the Find Madeleine site as is this one - and they were clearly just other people reading them out.

Those audios on the FM site aren`t the real witnesses, they`re actors reading from parts of the witnesses statements - as snitched from the Crimewatch programme.

Sounds to me like someone is trying their hardest to get the accent, not natural, IMO
@mumof6, I thought the DNA off the Gordon's child was saliva taken from the bed sheet by the window?

Was just listening to this one:

http://findmadeleine.com/videos/WITNESS%204%20AUDIO.mp3

I would say that is definitely JT.

I think anyway

It reminded me of TV programmes and films where American actors are struggling with other accents.

Dick Van Dyke anyone? Okay, it's not that bad!

Andrew wrote:Was just listening to this one:

http://findmadeleine.com/videos/WITNESS%204%20AUDIO.mp3

I would say that is definitely JT.

I think anyway

No way - JT has a much deeper voice. And that actor`s accent has the jolly hockey sticks Roedean affectation.

So yesterday we have Tony Bennett saying this:

May 2009 - Tape recording of Martin Smith's evidence posted on McCanns' Find Madeleine website - still there today

And today Jill tweeting this (snipped):

it's on their website along with recording from Martin Smith

Which is basically deliberate misinformation (again).

Andrew wrote:Nicked from Twitter (obviously):

Get 'em Gonçalo‏ @abuseofpower  2h2 hours ago

Replying to @Heavy_Dave
Except #McCann haven't ignored Smith sighting, it's on their website along with recording from Martin Smith, & Kate refers to it in bewk.

I've just listened to this audio recording as I don't think I ever have done before.

Here it is:

http://findmadeleine.com/videos/WITNESS%205%20AUDIO.mp3

Is that really Martin Smith? A genuine question?

So Jill says it is him too. Why are they saying that, do they have verification of any kind? He certainly isn't credited with saying it at all.

Anyway here is the reply from Heavy Dave............


Dave Heavy‏ @Heavy_Dave · 2h2 hours ago

Replying to @abuseofpower

Pat Brown's point is that the #McCann$ certainly did ignore the Smith Sighting - and for a long, long time - even if they no longer do

Mimi wrote:

Andrew wrote:Was just listening to this one:

http://findmadeleine.com/videos/WITNESS%204%20AUDIO.mp3

I would say that is definitely JT.

I think anyway

No way - JT has a much deeper voice.  And that actor`s accent has the jolly hockey sticks Roedean affectation.

Yes, you are quite correct. Mimi. I've just quickly stuck 'Jane Tanner' in YouTube.

Thanks

Yes I think that they are just trying to match the voice with the person.

Here is the real Jane Tanner.

I'd say they can't ignore it now, just like they had to admit to neglect, IMO.

To be fair to Jill - which I hope that she will appreciate! - I would think that she meant to say that it was someone reading his words. Perhaps she will amend the tweet later.

Freedom wrote:To be fair to Jill - which I hope that she will appreciate! - I would think that she meant to say that it was someone reading his words. Perhaps she will amend the tweet later.  

You're too kind, Freedom.

She didn't mean that at all.

It's the same as  and others stating it was 26th May before Mr Smith gave his statement.  As I have said many times, he actually gave one much earlier than that, to be precise on 6th May.  So all this talk of him waiting nearly 3 weeks is not correct .

candyfloss wrote:It's the same as  and others stating it was 26th May before Mr Smith gave his statement.  As I have said many times, he actually gave one much earlier than that, to be precise on 6th May.  So all this talk of him waiting nearly 3 weeks is not correct .

How do we know that there was an earlier statement than the one on the 26th, which is in the documents released by the PJ?

mumof6 wrote:

candyfloss wrote:It's the same as  and others stating it was 26th May before Mr Smith gave his statement.  As I have said many times, he actually gave one much earlier than that, to be precise on 6th May.  So all this talk of him waiting nearly 3 weeks is not correct .

How do we know that there was an earlier statement than the one on the 26th, which is in the documents released by the PJ?

He made 2 statements to the Irish police, one is not listed in the PJ files.  This one below is about him returning home and seeing the BBC clip, but he had been into the Irish police station to make his original statement when he returned from Portugal on 6th May and he was then asked to go to Portugal on 26th May to make a formal statement to the PJ...

Later on he  phoned PJ and told them of the clip he had seen and they arranged for him to make a statement in Ireland, hence the 2nd interview there.  So 2 statements in Ireland   As we know Goncalo then wanted him to fly over in October time to make yet another, but he was taken off the case and it never happened.  


Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm



ETA See my post upthread and Reference and Information Library for Smith timeline from journalist Paulo Reis.

dogs don't lie wrote:Sounds to me like someone is trying their hardest to get the accent, not natural, IMO
@mumof6, I thought the DNA off the Gordon's child was saliva taken from the bed sheet by the window?

From Textusa ......

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/super-kid.html

Insane is wrong and not just imprecise. FSS, by the words of JOHN ROBERT LOWE BSc CBiol MlBiol RFP disagrees with Insane about swabs 9 (2):

"For informative purposes only, a database from voluntary samples was constructed with the purpose of monitoring information. In accordance with the available records, the database is made up 286 voluntary samples, four of which were rejected. The voluntary DNA profiles were compared with the following samples:

286A/2007/CRL1A & B
286A/2007/CRL4A & B
286A/2007/CRL9A & B
286A/72007/CRL16A & B

The voluntary samples were also compared with 'crime stain 1', a DNA profile obtained by Portuguese scientists using their DNA profiling system. The profile was recovered from a suspicion of semen collected from a blanket in apartment 5.

From the available records, I conclude that 281 voluntary samples were eliminated as contributors of DNA to the above list of profile search, since its profile did not coincide with the profile sought; consequently, the DNA can not have originated from them.

I further conclude that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with CG (bar code 51156964). I believe that CG was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket."

He sounds like he's reading, it's like a voice you hear on audio books, very stilted but pleasant and easy on the ears! There are no hesitations or fillers, so I definitely think he's reading it. I'm not sure where Mr Smith is from but this man sounds more Northern Irish to me like he's reading Book at Bedtime on Radio 4.

From memory, the "real" Mr Smith is from Donegal.

I think he's from Drogheda.

My Grandad was from Mayo, he sounds Northern Irish in parts to me and in others a bit confused/ generic. Definitely not Me Smith IMO.

Yes sorry, I've just checked; Drogheda, Co Louth.

Mimi wrote:

What's_up_doc? wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:@poster. I too think Thursday is manufactured. I'm strongly leaning to death on the Wednesday night, these days. Enough time to get things done on the Thursday, but not enough time for the robust planning and recruitment that the smooth abduction play on the Thursday night would entail. Semi-planned, and easily derailed, which is exactly what happened.

This is where I'm at too Dee Coy, a number of more reliable witnesses say many activities were cancelled on Wednesday because of the rain, including tennis lessons and the mini sail. I think Thursday was a significant departure from routines and there looks like some orchestration by key players IMO. Is this the reason why Kate slept alone because Gerry was busy? I think it was early evening because the apartment was cleaned Thursday am and things were dry and clean enough to not alert the cleaner. This also explains lack of DNA as sheets were changed, according to TripAdvisor.

I`m sure the cleaner went in Wednesday morning, just as the McCanns were leaving out of the patio doors.

Thanks Mimi I should have checked, it was Monday and Wednesday, which fits in better IMO as things needed to dry and evidence needed to be dealt with. So if Madeleine came to harm on Wednesday, before bedtime, this would explain why no DNA was found in her bed etc. It gives extra time for cleaning the apartment and means the McCanns would know there wouldn't be a cleaner around during the critical period - it creates a window of opportunity. I think Wednesday, early evening is the most logical time Madeleine came to harm IMO. It also means the Smith sighting could still be possible, although I still find the idea of taking a recently deceased child outside without any attempt at concealment very unlikely, unless the culprit thought that night time was the only time possible, perhaps because a safe place to leave the body needed to be found first. The only reason I think this night occur would be if the safe place was close by, say an empty apartment, and it would be too risky to enter this place during the day. I definitely think the place found needs to be very safe indeed, otherwise I don't understand why the McCanns would remain in the apartment rather than neighbour searchingbtobensure nobody finds their hiding place. I believe Madeleine was in a building, somewhere they knew no-one would go to.

...that should have been I don't understand why the McCanns would remain in their apartment, rather than joining in the search and ensuring their hiding place wasn't discovered, if a place had been found without any planning and wasn't very secure.