Colin Sutton

Reading elsewhere at some of the comments re Colin Sutton is making my toes curl.  How come anyone who raises their head above the parapet and speaks out gets dissed, in no uncertain terms either.   Why is it that only a chosen few are the real researchers and the heroes?  (I won't name names) I have watched this happen over and over again over the years, the list is getting longer and it is no wonder people back off not only have they got an uphill battle to be heard, they have people who are supposed to be on their side having a go....

So I am going to conduct a poll to see how the voting goes here on this, and any views people may have please discuss.

I only look over yonder very occasionally now because it seems to be getting more and more draconian. Colin Sutton is a hero IMO. You cannot get anyone more qualified to speak on the subject of a disappearance than someone who has had a distinguished career solving similar cases. I think a bit of humility wouldn't go amiss but there you go, some people think they have got all the answers and anyone who doesn't agree, even someone with Colin Sutton's credentials, is subjected to abuse and ridicule if they do not fall into line. It's really shameful behaviour IMO.

I've not looked at the latest comments over there. And don't intend to either. The place is a joke.

CMoMM is nothing to do with establishing the truth in this case. It's all about distorting it.

Imo etc.

ETA - I'm not including everyone in that. Just the main players who have been around for a while.

Hear Hear

I must share this quote from Verdi, typos and all, with you. No mention of why Colin Sutton is reluctant to return to the forum, this just gives the impression that he's unreliable, saying he'll do something and then not keeping to it.

"I prefer to evaluate everything by critical thinking rather than blind acceptance. If Colin Sutton is reluctant to return to the forum, as he said he would following the Sky documentary, that's his perogative but don't epect me to make excuses for his reluctance nor to communicate by proxy!"

Crikey, WHO is asking Verdi to make excuses or communicate by proxy ?? In your dreams Verdi

I hope, but don't expect, Colin Sutton to post here on this forum where he would be welcomed for his insight and experience.

Verdi. With the same typo's as Tony Bennett.

Pathetic. In fact it's sick.

Imo.

I voted the first option although my thoughts are a mixed bag. Hero...too strong a word. Should he have spoken sooner....yes! Is he "cashing in?" Hmmm. Maybe not cashing in per se but the timing of his speaking out, coinciding with the 10 year anniversary is suspicious. Maybe he just feels the political climate is more favourable now so I'm happy to go with that. On balance, I'm just happy that someone has dipped a toe in the water and said what many of us have felt for a long time. Interesting times ahead.
Candy, does it change your view of OG?

chirpyinsect wrote:I voted the first option although my thoughts are a mixed bag. Hero...too strong a word. Should he have spoken sooner....yes! Is he "cashing in?" Hmmm. Maybe not cashing in per se but the timing of his speaking out, coinciding with the 10 year anniversary is suspicious. Maybe he just feels the political climate is more favourable now so I'm happy to go with that. On balance, I'm just happy that someone has dipped a toe in the water and said what many of us have felt for a long time. Interesting times ahead.
Candy, does it change your view of OG?

No not really chirpy, I believe that was the remit for the 'review' i.e. information gathering from all the sources, the PI's, the PJ and Leicestershire police. I think that is what CS may have taken as not investigating the parents, it was a review and it was the same time he was phoned. Only later after the remit did we get the full investigation swing into action, haven't seen a remit for that. Having said that Simon Foy's words were strange I must say.

Freedom wrote:I must share this quote from Verdi, typos and all, with you. No mention of why Colin Sutton is reluctant to return to the forum, this just gives the impression that he's unreliable, saying he'll do something and then not keeping to it.

"I prefer to evaluate everything by critical thinking rather than blind acceptance.  If Colin Sutton is reluctant to return to the forum, as he said he would following the Sky documentary, that's his perogative but don't epect me to make excuses for his reluctance nor to communicate by proxy!"

Who communicates by proxy........

....doesn't PeterMac communicate to Jill via proxy?

Or is it still the carrier-pigeon?

Or is it nothing at all as he doesn't?

Typically Aquila and Verdi are being their usual paranoid, tinged with nastiness, selves.

I voted the first one - praise for Colin Sutton speaking out.

There`s nothing unusual about him being paid for speaking on programmes. So what?

No point in him speaking out before - not with the court cases going on. It`s obviously something he has thought long and hard about doing. And Sky offered a timely opportunity.

@ Andrew - does TB usually spell `prerogative` wrongly? Verdi spelt it `perogative`.

If he is TB then he is TB`s dark side.

Both make lots of typos - a case of more haste, less accuracy - but I have doubts that they are one and the same.

Good for ShuBob here - at least up to a point as he or she doesn't mention that Tony was one of the offending handful of posters.

by ShuBob Today at 18:28

It's posters like Aquila who put others off posting on these forums. Why can't you just accept others have a different view to you? I've been appalled by the way Colin Sutton has been treated by a handful of posters. This reminds me of how Tony Bennett is ridiculed by some so-called truthseekers. They forget the very important contribution he's added to this debate- by making a lawyer for the couple confess in open court that there was no evidence for abduction other than the parents say so. At least give these people a chance.

PS: I've said what I have to say. I don't intend to get into any to-ing and fro-ing.

I cannot understand why Aquila hasn`t been turfed off that forum.  Maybe they feel sorry for her.

Fair enough.

Colin Sutton is slowly doing something right.

Yes, my views on Tony/Verdi, Jill and all that nonsense will never change..

And I'll await when all that comes out in the wash as well.

As it will. At some point.

Cheers.

Another good one.With thanks to Alan Vinnecombe fb 'Abduction or Scam.


Alan Vinnicombe shared a link.
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Wolf in sheep's clothing Colin Sutton
Aesop's Fables(620–560 BC) yes that's how long this warning has been going... to be careful... lets tell the story then explain that in the mystery of MBM nothing is what it seems, it's so big that the cleverest and indeed most dark and devious brains in the country are at work. We only see the clock face but not the working of this most complicated of clocks. The fable goes like this .......
''Once upon a time, a Wolf [1] resolved to disguise his appearance in order to secure food more easily. Encased in the skin of a sheep,[2] he pastured with the flock deceiving the shepherd by his costume. In the evening he was shut up by the shepherd in the fold;
The gate was closed, and the entrance made thoroughly secure. But the shepherd,[3] returning to the fold during the night to obtain meat for the next day, mistakenly caught up the Wolf instead of a sheep and killed him instantly.
A cautionary tale from the mists of time itself, what if I told you the characters in the story were ......
[1] The McCanns
[2] Operation Grange
[3] Colin Sutton
Changes things, yes these fables were warnings, in this case, do not try to be too clever and deceive people or you might end up destroying yourselves! You see the McCann's are hiding behind Grange, praising them thanking them well they must, it's their cloak of innocents if Grange think us innocent than we are, very safe in there, and so they were the ten years of establishment support makes it so, until one day the shepherd, Colin Sutton, destroys the facade, the wolves that think they are clever and oh so devious are destroyed in a heartbeat, all over when Sutton out the blue opened the entrance the wolves thought so thoroughly secure and took them out !
Let Sutton explain. how it was done ......
Sutton tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory.
Speaking to Martin Brunt on Sky News, he said:
'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said ''it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t. '
The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.' watch in on this u tube entry

Things are not always what they seem!
Wow no one saw that coming, the public thought Grange were investigating team McCann and one day would swoop arrest them, or at least question them, after all 12 million pounds spent and the dogs they must be interviewed... it seems not we are told, not by hearsay, not a theory of an online blogger, not a C list celeb... NO, a creditable establishment figure who cannot be doubted, there it is set in stone. Grange has no remit to investigate the McCann's, the untouchable are just that... or they were.. until Sutton let the cat out of the bag, BOOM, it's a scam tax payers money wasted!
Encapsulated right there Colin Sutton drops, Redwood, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley Nicola Wall, puts them all at risk, now why would he do that?
More importantly, why was he allowed to do that, make no mistake this doesn't make MSM sky TV without getting government approval, no no not in the nation's interest to tell the public all these headlines, all that money wasted imagine the emails to all MPs from an irate public, no make no mistake this was orchestrated start of a campaign to expose the McCann's for what the are!
This is a man who's colleagues who have climbed the greasy ladder to the top of the Met as Sutton himself has done, he's friends with them, they don't get to the top by talking out of school, spilling the beans on each other!
This is where I expose the machinations of the elite of our society Colin Sutton IMO was put up to it merely a messenger sent by the powers that be to start the fall of the empire of team McCann,
My contacts tell me he wouldn't possibly do this alone unless if he was told too, paid too, promised a job on Sky, this is how these things work it's called risk and reward ,assured his fellow top cops are safe from disaster, from what I know Sutton is far from him being a brave whistle blower he just part of the plan to ditch team McCann in the near future!
How can this work well he's told us the Met is not investigating the McCanns, a terrible revelation for McCann's it was their umbrella of cover, the premise the Met think them innocent they must be! not if they are not to be looked at, boom game changer!
Now, what has this as done to the case, think outside the box please, the impact is he's destroyed the McCann in a minute!
But saves Mets top cops, if they didn't investigate the team McCanns they can't be blamed for not noticing what a 5-year-old could see... the lies and the dogs and the ridiculous timeline, a get out of jail card, done before it happens the preparation done by Sutton! he has saved his mates at the Met they are home free, well played Mr Sutton, the non-whistle blower but destroyer of team McCann in the skilful positioning of the Establishment dumping of the Tapas 9 very soon! they have been out thought and mesmerised!
Of course, others have to be warned to desert a sinking ship, some are rats did you know that the dispatched Clarence Mitchell is set to become the head of media monitoring for the Conservative Party campaign unit, and was also a spokesman for Madeleine McCann's parents.
[note the was!]
Mr Mitchell will report to Andy Coulson, the Tories' director of communications, he will not be an active spokesperson for the political party.The two men reportedly have a close relationship, following Mr Coulson's stint as editor of the News of the World.
The funds' accountants has resigned and a whole raft of believers in MSM have fallen silent, worse of the Sun their biggest supporters banner headline last week
''Pals of the parents have said Goncalo Amaral 'has won once and for all'
they have never had the public's support if the lose MSM's blind faith the ship will sink faster than the Titanic
If I take you back to Aesop's time he would say
''The end is Nigh''
I have that from the top, Colin Sutton Ex-Senior Investigating Officer for the Met Police Murder Squad no less, he said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him!
I think I've explained the real reason why.TOMORROW I tell who is behind bringing them down and why !

Some really good comments:

Jovi Love Great post Alan, it always seemed like a huge step for Colin Sutton to have made, on his own, without direction from the powers that be and well timed in the tenth year..... so you've answered my, 'why now question', orchestrated demise of the McCanns, who may totally take the blame, letting others off scott free. Divert attention....IMO.. well done Alan.
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Mmmm lets see where this goes.  We've had many tales of imminent downfall that fail to materialise. This could just be another one.

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Who is Alan Vinnicombe and why should I give his rantings any more credence than those of.... I dunno, has former QPR and United States striker Roy Wegerle ever said anything McCann related?

Dunno but looking at his Facebook page he seems to be a poker player that also enjoys the high life.

In that clip was MB trying to say that the pj had cleared the mcs and that's the reason CS was told he couldn't look at the mcs? Don't think he needed a call from a friend to tell him that thou.

I have said this earlier up the thread. This was back in 2010, when the Met had a completely different remit. The remit was to look at the case collate all the files from the 3 different areas, i.e. PJ, Brit police, and Private dicks...... in ther words a REVIEW. It was basically an overhaul of the evidence. It was only after they had looked at the case for over a year did the investigation become a fully blown investigation.

That is the difference - Colin Sutton would not have been taken on to investigate, that is the part people are conveniently omitting. He was going to be taken on to review, so he could not charge, or make anyone suspects, or even look into things. A review is to make recommendations, after the recommendations and analysis happened, only then did the investigation begin.

That is how I understand it.

candyfloss wrote:I have said this earlier up the thread.  This was back in 2010, when the Met had a completely different remit.  The remit was to look at the case collate all the files from the 3 different areas, i.e. PJ, Brit police, and Private dicks...... in ther words a REVIEW.  It was basically an overhaul of the evidence.  It was only after they had looked at the case for over a year did the investigation become a fully blown investigation.

That is the difference - Colin Sutton would not have been taken on to investigate, that is the part people are conveniently omitting.  He was going to be taken on to review, so he could not charge, or make anyone suspects, or even look into things.  A review is to make recommendations,  after the recommendations and analysis happened, only then did the investigation begin.

That is how I understand it.

That's right candyfloss, I forgot the call was in 2010

No one then knew it would turn into a full investigation, and that the PJ would reopen from their side too. Totally different ball game. Anyone leading the REVIEW would not have been taken on to investigate anyone, just review all sides of the case, all statements, etc. and to put forward the review findings. I think CS knows this but never mentioned that bit, or perhaps it was cut and left on studio floor