Madeleine McCann new DNA hope: Curtains may hold key to who took her

Can't copy much my mouse playing up!

Well if this is "true" some one will be pooing their pants but i doubt it will be a strange abductor also lets hope it is retested in Portugal and not UK..

Please don't tell me they're still considering in or out of the window? I'm hoping the hairs will tell more.

Justformaddiemccann wrote:Please don't tell me they're still considering in or out of the window? I'm hoping the hairs will tell more.

I was thinking washed curtains that may contain blood splatter..

Poppy wrote:

Justformaddiemccann wrote:Please don't tell me they're still considering in or out of the window? I'm hoping the hairs will tell more.

I was thinking washed curtains that may contain blood splatter..

Could be, maybe the article is mistaken as it says the curtains from the bedroom where she slept.

The Mirror says it is the curtains in 5A which they wish to re-examine.

Hmm, no dna was taken from the bedroom curtains afaik.

Blood was spattered on the sitting room curtains, though. Dna was taken from the samples behind the sofa where those curtains were.

Methinks the Mirror has quite deliber possibly got the wrong set of curtains earmarked for the test. The bedroom curtains has no reason to be tested in the first place, so can't be 'retested'. Why would the bedroom curtains have been sealed in an 'evidence file'. The curtains with blood traces may have been, though...

Justformaddiemccann wrote:

Poppy wrote:

Justformaddiemccann wrote:Please don't tell me they're still considering in or out of the window? I'm hoping the hairs will tell more.

I was thinking washed curtains that may contain blood splatter..

Could be, maybe the article is mistaken as it says the curtains from the bedroom where she slept.

I thought there was a blackout of any news,so it it Mitchell talking.

caricature wrote:

Justformaddiemccann wrote:

Poppy wrote:

Justformaddiemccann wrote:Please don't tell me they're still considering in or out of the window? I'm hoping the hairs will tell more.

I was thinking washed curtains that may contain blood splatter..

Could be, maybe the article is mistaken as it says the curtains from the bedroom where she slept.

I thought there was a blackout of any news,so it it Mitchell talking.

But the mirror also mentions murder in the story so i doubt it's Mitchell spin,it also mentions 30 hairs what's all that about.

I would think this bit mitchell spin !

A Portuguese police source said: “The best hope is to pass the sample to British officers.”

Really ?

Small bit on Mirror front page......

Someone on CMOMM has pointed out that according to the PJMcCannfiles the only curtain samples tested and retained in storage were indeed those from the sitting room:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm#p10p2528


To: The Director of the Police Scientific LaboratoryLisbon

Date: 28 August 2007

Subject:The present inquiry deals with the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl, Madeleine McCann, a fact that occurred on 3rd May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Lagos.

During the course of the investigation diverse material/articles and objects susceptible to containing biological vestiges have been collected.

At the beginning of this month of August a curtain was collected from the living room of the apartment including a portion from the same pair of curtains, materials that were sent to England with other articles/objects for subjection to examination.

With the aim of preserving and maintaining the CHAIN and CUSTODY of evidence during the lack of conclusion from the examinations that are being carried out in England, [/u]the remaining inferior part of the curtain was collected.

Date and time of collection: 28th August 2007 06.35 hoursP
Place: Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club Resort, Praia da Luz

Accordingly we request that the piece collected and delivered to the Police Scientific Laboratory be PRESERVED for the eventual carrying out of complementary examinations.

With compliments

G. Amaral
The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Naughty Mirror. Naughty Clamble.

This has to be a positive development, surely? Anybody who is aware of Amaral's thesis and the work of the two siffer dogs has to see the significance of the curtains in that sitting room.

I wonder if this will determine if its a whitewash or not,if and its a big if the new test reveal the DNA of the girl then what conclusion can they draw from it.It will confirm the dog marks that is if thats what they want.

Just seen that the Express have piped up with an article about 45 mins ago...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/527877/Madeleine-McCann-police-probe-curtains-for-DNA-clues


Maddie breakthrough: Curtains may hold DNA clue in hunt for Madeleine McCann

DETECTIVES hunting for missing Madeleine McCann believe curtains in the Portuguese holiday flat where she was snatched might provide vital clues.

By: Stewart WhittinghamPublished: Mon, October 27, 2014
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Madeleine McCann parents holding photograph of missing daughterOperation Grange to find missing Maddie has so far cost £10million [GETTY]

British officers hope that new tests on the fabric will reveal traces of DNA which could identify her kidnapper.

They believe he may have touched them as he took threeyear- old Madeleine from her bed at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz and climbed out of the window with her.

The curtains have been sealed in an evidence file at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine in the Portuguese city of Coimbra since 2007.

But Scotland Yard has sent an urgent request to Portuguese police asking for their permission to re-examine them. Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood and his team are hoping the fabric will be pre- served enough to contain clues.

There have been significant developments in DNA science since the first investigation was carried out seven years ago.

The UK has developed a large “library” of DNA samples which increases by more than 400,000 profiles every year. Portugal’s Public Ministry will decide whether the material should be handed over.

Scotland Yard, whose detectives from Operation Grange were in Portugal last week, also want to re-examine 30 strands of hair found in the apartment.


I would not like to be that ambitious and say the secret to unlocking Madeleine’s case lies in our lab
A Portuguese source
They plan to use advanced genetic and biological testing procedures. DNA samples can be extracted from a single human cell left on items that people come into contact with.

The quality of DNA can now be “amplified” using complex chemical processes. Robots are even used to help in the lab.

A Portuguese source said: “The best hope is to pass the sample to officers in Britain.” However Francisco Brizida, president of Portugal’s Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences, has warned about raising hopes too much.

He said: “Technology now allows us to go further than years ago.

“But I would not like to be that ambitious and say the secret to unlocking Madeleine’s case lies in our lab.”

Scotland Yard detectives dug for eight days during the summer in the Algarve resort where Kate and Gerry McCann holidayed with their family.

However, there was no new breakthrough.

Interviews with new suspects also failed to produce any new leads. The Operation Grange investigation, which involves 30 Scotland Yard officers, has so far cost £10million.

Posted by portugalpress on October 27, 2014

Madeleine mystery: British police “lift the curtains”

New revelations in the media over the weekend point to British police now pinning their hopes on curtains from the bedroom from which Madeleine McCann went missing seven years ago.
Describing the story as a “breakthrough”, British tabloid the Daily Mirror claims detectives believe the fabric “may hold DNA” which will identify Madeleine’s abductor.
The Mirror says Scotland Yard hopes to run new tests on the curtains, using techniques not available when the little girl first disappeared.
The team, headed by DCI Andy Redwood, is urgently waiting for the green-light from Portugal’s public ministry, as the curtains - says the Mirror - have been kept “sealed in an evidence file” since 2007.
This latest story follows a rash of new reports over the last couple of weeks, the first of which praised the incoming new prosecutor Inês Faria Sequeira for being a “high-flyer” “utterly determined” to finally crack the mystery.
Nonetheless, ‘cracks’ have appeared in British news stories before - and this may well be yet another incident of this kind of reporting.
In Portugal, for example, national tabloid Correio da Manhã writes that the curtains have already been “exhaustively” analysed by Portuguese experts, and revealed nothing.
In their story on Monday, entitled "British want to lift the curtain", CM confirms that British police believe the curtains may still hold traces of suspect DNA.
But elsewhere, websites dedicated to the analysis of police files claim the curtains were never collected, tested or indeed even kept.
Thus it remains to be seen whether this is simply another story to join the long line of apparent "Madeleine mystery non-sequiturs".
Certainly, the British press is buzzing this morning, with the Daily Express following the Mirror and affirming that the curtains “might provide vital clues”.
Also on the list of evidence held in Portugal which British police would like re-examined are 30 strands of hair originally taken from the McCanns’ rented Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz.
    




http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-mystery-british-police-%E2%80%9Clift-the-curtains%E2%80%9D

Johanna has updated her blog with the following  :


      Update:

The portuguese PR branch is briefing their outlets now. Interesting that Correio da Manha now talks about PIECES of curtains that were already ANALYSED by the portuguese lab.

Indeed they were, although  only subjected to Kastle-Mayer, Acid-Phosphate test and observed under an SL-450 Lamp. No DNA tests for tiniest residues were done.



AND THEY WERE CERTAINLY NOT THE BEDROOM CURTAINS!!!!


  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P13/13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3481.jpg


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2530.jpg





1. Piece of cloth in a white tone, referred to in the Report on Collection of Vestiges No. 254-07 as 'taken from the large window on the eastern side'


It seems that SY are trying to corroborate the dog alerts.

From a German Forum

From the file shows quite clearly that there are pieces of the net curtains that hung behind the sofa in the living room, and is where the "bloodhound" Keela had struck.

Who here desperately sold the press the bedroom curtains, which were not examined or collected, remains open.

It seems as if the chain of evidence SY cadaver dog -> Bloodhound -> DNA would like to complete, because of the living room curtain was certainly no "intruder / kidnapper" to swing.

https://www.allmystery.de/themen/np106841-78#id13176831

It may only be me (alas, it usually seems to be that way) but there is absolutely nothing showing with your post, Andrew.

Freedom wrote:It may only be me (alas, it usually seems to be that way) but there is absolutely nothing showing with your post, Andrew.  

It's ok for me.

Freedom - it was just an image that copied and pasted from what I saw on Twitter.

It comes up on my computer as well. Maybe if you are using your phone or something then the image might not show. That happens to me sometimes anyway.

I am on a computer but for some unknown reason I can't access anything that comes via Twitter.

Freedom wrote:I am on a computer but for some unknown reason I can't access anything that comes via Twitter.

Has no one posted since you did today Freedom?