Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Andrew wrote:Will read those links later but the 'Step-Grandfather',(Stuart Hazell)  imo is absolutely guilty.

The barsteward!!!

Look at the interview/s and look at the forensics...

Interesting that in many of these cases the News of the World had hacked phones.

Makes you wonder what was really going on...

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/jimmy-savile-sarah-payne-milly-dowler.html

poster wrote:

Bloodhound wrote:I see Aquila over the road was having a go at a member JRob, about him thinking Huntley may be innocent, saying does he think everyone in the jury was too thick to understand things  does she not read bennetts posts on the man found guilty for Jill Dandos murder and put in jail for years before being released.

That's me but for some reason I can't log on over there any more. Perhaps I have been banned again, lol!

Still, there is no point in arguing with the snippy one.

It's not so much that juries are too thick to understand things, it's more that they are human and can be heavily swayed by emotive arguments. Court lawyers make a living by arguing a case and they can and do use very clever, emotive, suggestive language to sway the jurers.

Court appointed defence lawyers are not always in the same league and of course their pay masters are the state so they might not necessarily always be impartial. Or they might just be weak and not a match for the prosecution. This is what I think happened in the Ian Huntley case

I agree, I don't think the jury are thick, they are normal everyday people. It's the system that's corrupt. Huntleys defence didn't defend him at all. Guilty or innocent everyone should have a good defence team. Why didn't his defence team call the witnesses who saw both girls after he supposedly killed them?
Huntley was set up even before they officially found the bodies and evidence already planted, he was hung drawn and quartered before he knew what hit him.
I think there is more evidence that he didn't kill both girls, than there is that he did do it. It's such a miscarriage of justice, two innocent people's lives possibly destroyed plus their families. And no justice for both girls or their families.

I feel sorry for the police who are in the job to protect the public and uphold the law, to be faced with corruption from the highest and forced to be quiet. They must get it very hard to sleep at night.

Ps. Sorry if you got banned from over the road Poster, I'm sure you will lose a lot of sleep tonight over it

Oh really, Poster, Tia Sharp was found hidden in her grandmother's house.

Do you really think that someone other than Stuart Hazell could have hidden her there!!!!

I didn't believe a word of his interview about the events of the last day that he supposedly saw Tia.

Here he is talking to the Brain of Britain Mark Williams Thomas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E_dTHeeszA



Does anyone remember this case? It got enormous coverage at the time but I reckon that most of you won't remember it now. It's not mentioned on this link but the victim was heavily pregnant which made the random attack even more horrific.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/content/articles/2008/05/14/m50_marie_wilks_timeline_feature.shtml

Not all police dogs react to cadaverine, in Huntleys case it might not have had time to develop and in the Tia Sharp case the land sharks were probably looking for a live scent to track

Can't recall that horrific case about Marie Wilks.

Out of interest who gave the artists impression as it looks remarkably like the Browning chap...

Not sure what came of this then.....

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/'I+DID+MURDER+M50+MARIE'+Cleared+man+told+pal,+court+hears.-a060294539

Freedom wrote:Oh really, Poster, Tia Sharp was found hidden in her grandmother's house.

Do you really think that someone other than Stuart Hazell could have hidden her there!!!!

I didn't believe a word of his interview about the events of the last day that he supposedly saw Tia.

Here he is talking to the Brain of Britain Mark Williams Thomas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E_dTHeeszA



Does anyone remember this case? It got enormous coverage at the time but I reckon that most of you won't remember it now. It's not mentioned on this link but the victim was heavily pregnant which made the random attack even more horrific.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/content/articles/2008/05/14/m50_marie_wilks_timeline_feature.shtml

That interviewer (in the first link) is a complete .....well, I can't think of any words to put together....

Obviously he thinks he is superior to the person he is interviewing...

He is wrong, as so many people who work especially in the BBC but also other media outlets think,,

They forget that they are total idiots..utterly depraved, stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and

much less intelligent than the normal person on the street.

Sorry, that interview PROVES to me that the step-father is not guilty

PMR wrote:Not all police dogs react to cadaverine, in Huntleys case it might not have had time to develop and in the Tia Sharp case the land sharks were probably looking for a live scent to track

Hmm....sorry, nice try....rubbish

Hi Poster...

Out of curiosity really, can you name some 'high-profile' cases where you're convinced they actually have it right...?

poster wrote:

PMR wrote:Not all police dogs react to cadaverine, in Huntleys case it might not have had time to develop and in the Tia Sharp case the land sharks were probably looking for a live scent to track

Hmm....sorry, nice try....rubbish

Hmm ..... sorry not rubbish

PMR wrote:Not all police dogs react to cadaverine, in Huntleys case it might not have had time to develop and in the Tia Sharp case the land sharks were probably looking for a live scent to track

On Wednesday 8 August the home was again searched, this time with German Shepard dogs, which are specially trained to detect blood and decomposing bodies.
“The nose of a trained sniffer dog is around 2000 times better than a human’s; they are able to detect smells even 10 years later.”
“There have been cases where dogs have identified blood spots that were so small and had been covered by other substances, only a microscope could confirm that they were here.” LINK

Yet we are to believe that in this small house they could not detect the 5 day old corpse of a young girl!


Certainly does seem odd that no trace was found on 4 previous searches of the house, 3 of which were full forensic jobs.

Andrew wrote:Hi Poster...

Out of curiosity really, can you name some 'high-profile' cases where you're convinced they actually have it right...?

He (apologies if you're female, Poster) does seem satisfied with the convictions of the vile monster Levi Bellfield but that appears to be the only one.

It doesn't inspire confidence in Poster's opinions that he muddles up the names of victims and convicted killers. Also, he keeps referring to Stuart Hazell as Tia's stepfather when he was the boyfriend of her grandmother.

Some reports have said that he was previously also the boyfriend of her mother but that may not be true.

Poster - this is what you said about Mark Williams Thomas - it doesn't sound as if you're aware of his belief in the McCanns and their drivel. He is a complete idiot, there's no doubt of that, with a very suspect employment record and qualifications.

"That interviewer (in the first link) is a complete .....well, I can't think of any words to put together....

Obviously he thinks he is superior to the person he is interviewing...

He is wrong, as so many people who work especially in the BBC but also other media outlets think".

Are you in the same opinion as 'poster' then Chirpy, in that Stuart Hazell is an innocent man and has been wrongly convicted...??

I'm not familiar with all these murders except for the Soham girls, but I have just read a little about Tia and watched the YouTube clip on the link here.  

To me her step granda is lying.  Nothing in that interview rings true.
For starters he doesn't seem to be the type of man why would clear up after a 12 year old, while he is cleaning / hoovering / making her toast.  Why does she not make her own toast? Why does she leave her dishes for him to clear? No, I think he is bigging himself up here,  I don't think many parents, never mind someone not blood related would run round cleaning up after a 12 year old. If it was me I would have her make her own toast (unless it was a school day) and tell her to put her dishes in the dishwasher herself.  Then I'd be asking her to help me clean. There's something strange about him.

Also I don't know any 12 year old girls who are "perfect golden angels with no problems"  In my experience with girls they begin to be terrors at that age. Puberty, boys, make up, slutty clothes are just a few of the causes why my daughters and me would row. This is an age where most girls think they know more than all adults. I don't like how he said she was a perfect golden Angel. To me he comes across a creep.

He seems very much to be enjoying his interview, talking about how horrible it was for him, talking about all the cleaning he does and how well he looks after Tia and how perfect she is. No 12 yr old girl is perfect, my own included.

In my opinion he is making it all up or most of it.  His body language may be on par with innocence but his mouth surely isn't.
I don't know enough about the case to say he is a killer yet. Has anyone links to this story, preferably not from the likes of the mirror or any newspapers. I'd like to read more about it.

It's interesting to read your thoughts on the Tia Sharp case, Bloodhound.

Here's the Wikipedia link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tia_Sharp

Yes, when someone goes over the top, describing a missing person as an absolute angel, the alarm bells start clanging very loudly.

It's just so unrealistic - you know it can't be true.

Andrew wrote:Are you in the same opinion as 'poster' then Chirpy, in that Stuart Hazell is an innocent man and has been wrongly convicted...??

Not at all Andrew. I never gave much thought to the case as I don't buy UK papers. Of course I saw it on the news but, sadly, we take things at face value, trust the police to get their man and move on. I am more fascinated by the different ways people perceive these things.
I do think that dogs are 100% reliable so how could they miss a decomposing corpse that was, presumably, in situ when they were called in? We cannot choose to believe the dogs in one major case then deem them unreliable in the next. So there has to be an explanation. 2 full SOCO teams had searched in the previous days and found nothing. I assume they searched the attic. But even if they didn't, the smell, in August, would be noticeable.
There are only 3 possible scenarios. 1 Highly trained forensic teams missed the evidence as did the dogs.2 Her body was moved there in between. 3 Someone else put the body there ( or there was no body at all)
1 and 3 are unlikely but Hazell and the house were being watched. I wondered about the house next door. Could there have been some way that the body was brought in through connecting attics?
However Hazell did change his plea mid trial to guilty. He also confessed in a letter to his dad, so on balance, I'd say guilty.

Dear Dad,
I know I am probably the last person you want to hear from but everything in papers ain't true, they twist and make their own s*** up.
What happened I will explain in time but put it this way, it was an accident and I panicked. Stupid I know but for my stupidity I'm looking at 15 to 18 years.
I regret it every second of every day and there's nothing I can do about it.
I think about taking my own life because if I don't someone will, that is a definite.
I'm classed a Cat A prisoner, never thought this would ever happen.
I hope you're not getting agro because of me, you know I'm not the bad person everyone's saying.
I can't sleep can't eat I wish I could turn back the clock but I can't.
I'm sorry to of lied to you all but I didn't know what to do.
I understand if you rip this up and never want to know me again, I wouldn't blame you.
Christine got arrested, she had nothing to do with this. I loved her with all my heart and sole.
God I hate myself. I should of gone about this a different way, told the police everything. They're trying to say it was sexual but I promise you it wasn't.
It was an accident and I was a p**** to do what I done.
If I had the chance I would end it here and now, I got no money, no fags, no hope. It's the Hazell curse and I only got myself to blame.
And that will stick with me till my time comes which won't be long.
I just want you to know I love you all, I know Christine and family will never forgive me, I know what's coming and I deserve it.
I want to ask you one favour and one favour only. Send me a little bit of money in and I will never ask anything of you again, 1 mistake and my whole world has collapsed.
My own fault I know but don't listen to the papers, like everyone else. I will tell you in time.
I love you all, no doubt you will hear I'm on Old Bailey soon.
Tell Sarah and Marc and kids I'm sorry, and Mum Darren and family.
May god have mercy on my sole even thought I don't deserve it.
Love always
Your son
Stuart xxx
I'm sorry truly, truly sorry
If you want a V.O (visiting order) let me know dad with all your details x


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Here is a blog by truthseeker which goes into some detail. However she loses my interest when she starts talking about Satanic sacrifices and numerology.
What is interesting, and little reported, is that Tia had special needs, due to being vaccine damaged, or so the blogger says.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://truthseeker444.blogspot.com/2012/08/tia-blog-stuart-hazell-at-this-stage-is.html&ved=0ahUKEwjPrs6XovLNAhVlIcAKHd9BAXwQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNGpL5Ml1dqauss5KRtgDowFUvhlgA

I'm surprised there are no Moors Murders conspiracies. Not because I have any doubts over the convictions, but because I never cease to be amazed by people's capacity to find "angles" in these high profile events.

Freedom wrote:It's interesting to read your thoughts on the Tia Sharp case, Bloodhound.

Here's the Wikipedia link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tia_Sharp

Yes, when someone goes over the top, describing a missing person as an absolute angel, the alarm bells start clanging very loudly.

It's just so unrealistic - you know it can't be true.

 

Yes I'm like that too, when they describe their kids as perfect, my alarm bells goes off. I have considered that in the case of a missing child of course one would say nice things, but perfect golden angles who do nothing wrong, is just going a step, or a mile too far.

A more truthful version would have been she came downstairs grumping coz the Hoover woken her up at midday and she demanded some breakfast, I told her to get it herself and clean up after herself, she wanted new shoes so I told her to help me with the housework and she would get her new shoes. Any huffing and she would still do the work but get nothing in return. That would have been more believable.

I think he did kill her, especially after reading the letter Chirpy posted. Isn't it funny how we get a feeling from watching a short interview that something isn't right, just like the McCanns.

Would it be possible the first dogs brought in were scent dogs? Not cadaver.
Also it might be possible the dogs were not brought to the attic.

Blood and cadaver dogs need to be lead where to search. I watched a to show on them one night and their trainer said he directs them to smell door handles and up chimneys, little places like that, edges of tables, sink drains etc, because it's not something they would go and smell but it's something that could hold evidence. This dog in particular reacted to the door handle and blood was found there. But the handler had to point out things he wanted him to smell. This is normal.

I'm a big believer in the dogs, so either they were not victim recovery dogs at the start, or they were not taken to the attic. Or the trainer was crap and didn't pay attention to the signs from the dog. Also the body may have been taken up there straight away and wrapped up very well, so well that the dogs would at least have to been in the attic..

Maybe another reason they took the dogs back repeatedly was because they did react but the trainer could find nothing. The dog needs to be in the area of the cadaver, he may smell it but can't point his finger to the attic. Just one possibility of why they kept taking the dogs back again.

I still need to read more but I think so far he is guilty.

I still think Huntley is innocent though

chirpyinsect wrote:

Andrew wrote:Are you in the same opinion as 'poster' then Chirpy, in that Stuart Hazell is an innocent man and has been wrongly convicted...??

Not at all Andrew. I never gave much thought to the case as I don't buy UK papers. Of course I saw it on the news but, sadly, we take things at face value, trust the police to get their man and move on. I am more fascinated by the different ways people perceive these things.
I do think that dogs are 100% reliable so how could they miss a decomposing corpse that was, presumably, in situ when they were called in? We cannot choose to believe the dogs in one major case then deem them unreliable in the next. So there has to be an explanation. 2 full SOCO teams had searched in the previous days and found nothing. I assume they searched the attic. But even if they didn't, the smell, in August, would be noticeable.
There are only 3 possible scenarios. 1 Highly trained forensic teams missed the evidence as did the dogs.2 Her body was moved there in between. 3 Someone else put the body there ( or there was no body at all)
1 and 3 are unlikely but Hazell and the house were being watched. I wondered about the house next door. Could there have been some way that the body was brought in through connecting attics?
However Hazell did change his plea mid trial to guilty. He also confessed in a letter to his dad, so on balance, I'd say guilty.

Dear Dad,
I know I am probably the last person you want to hear from but everything in papers ain't true, they twist and make their own s*** up.
What happened I will explain in time but put it this way, it was an accident and I panicked. Stupid I know but for my stupidity I'm looking at 15 to 18 years.
I regret it every second of every day and there's nothing I can do about it.
I think about taking my own life because if I don't someone will, that is a definite.
I'm classed a Cat A prisoner, never thought this would ever happen.
I hope you're not getting agro because of me, you know I'm not the bad person everyone's saying.
I can't sleep can't eat I wish I could turn back the clock but I can't.
I'm sorry to of lied to you all but I didn't know what to do.
I understand if you rip this up and never want to know me again, I wouldn't blame you.
Christine got arrested, she had nothing to do with this. I loved her with all my heart and sole.
God I hate myself. I should of gone about this a different way, told the police everything. They're trying to say it was sexual but I promise you it wasn't.
It was an accident and I was a p**** to do what I done.
If I had the chance I would end it here and now, I got no money, no fags, no hope. It's the Hazell curse and I only got myself to blame.
And that will stick with me till my time comes which won't be long.
I just want you to know I love you all, I know Christine and family will never forgive me, I know what's coming and I deserve it.
I want to ask you one favour and one favour only. Send me a little bit of money in and I will never ask anything of you again, 1 mistake and my whole world has collapsed.
My own fault I know but don't listen to the papers, like everyone else. I will tell you in time.
I love you all, no doubt you will hear I'm on Old Bailey soon.
Tell Sarah and Marc and kids I'm sorry, and Mum Darren and family.
May god have mercy on my sole even thought I don't deserve it.
Love always
Your son
Stuart xxx
I'm sorry truly, truly sorry
If you want a V.O (visiting order) let me know dad with all your details x


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They didn't miss anything, they alerted, there were articles later that said so, but the officers never search up there. I do not have time to look at the moment but they are there, they wish they had heeded the dogs alerts.

Screenshot of header to the original article, which is no longer online:








Screenshot of original Tia Sharp article  











Tia's body is found following use of cadaver dogs:

Shambles: Murder probe police arrest Tia Sharp's step-grandad in park eight hours after her body is found in granny's home following week-long hunt that saw officers search their house THREE times Daily Mail

By Chris Greenwood, Eleanor Harding and Tom Kelly
PUBLISHED: 21:10, 10 August 2012 | UPDATED: 23:14, 10 August 2012

- Extract -

Police were alerted to the possible presence of a dead body when sniffer dogs trained to detect decomposition returned to her grandmother's home early yesterday.

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.ie/2015/04/unreliable-dogs.html

According to this link it was human error, the dogs did alert and were ignored.

Bloodhound wrote:I think he did kill her, especially after reading the letter Chirpy posted.  Isn't it funny how we get a feeling from watching a short interview that something isn't right, just like the McCanns.

Would it be possible the first dogs brought in were scent dogs? Not cadaver.
Also it might be possible the dogs were not brought to the attic.

Blood and cadaver dogs need to be lead where to search.  I watched a to show on them one night and their trainer said he directs them to smell door handles and up chimneys, little places like that, edges of tables, sink drains etc, because it's not something they would go and smell but it's something that could hold evidence. This dog in particular reacted to the door handle and blood was found there. But the handler had to point out things he wanted him to smell. This is normal.

I'm a big believer in the dogs, so either they were not victim recovery dogs at the start, or they were not taken to the attic. Or the trainer was crap and didn't pay attention to the signs from the dog. Also the body may have been taken up there straight away and wrapped up very well, so well that the dogs would at least have to been in the attic..

Maybe another reason they took the dogs back repeatedly was because they did react but the trainer could find nothing.  The dog needs to be in the area of the cadaver, he may smell it but can't point his finger to the attic.  Just one possibility of why they kept taking the dogs back again.

I still need to read more but I think so far he is guilty.

I still think Huntley is innocent though

I posted that it was police dogs trained to seek out blood and cadaver odour that were used. How true this is I don't know.
However both dog and handler go through rigorous training so I doubt they missed anything that was said to have been there. Also, the dogs are trained to give a signal, either passive like Keela, or active like Eddie, so again I can't see any signs being missed.
The house was tiny and probably had a hatch to the attic with either a Ramsey ladder or the need for a stepladder. I doubt that trained forensic teams didn't go up there.
If a dog can sniff a drop of blood burried for 30 years, he could sure smell a 5 day old corpse that was decomposing in a sweltering attic.
I'm not defending Hazell but there is no way that body was in there all that time, so how did it get there and just how safe are confessions?