Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Perhaps someone can post it all up and change the title to something better. Mods....
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Interesting development.
Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence”
Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence”
In a historic ruling, Évora’s court of appeal has clarified that text messages (even if they are not read) and mobile phone records can now be used in criminal cases and do not require any authorisation by a judge.
But emails - which can be accessed by mobile phones - can only be used if the person to whom they have been addressed has read them.
The decision was announced in today’s Diário de Notícias which claimed the law up until now has been “unclear in this context”.
Indeed it could have changed endless police investigations in the past - not least the original Madeleine McCann inquiry.
As TVI24 reveals, in 2007 Portimão Judge Pedro Frias “refused the PJ the right to look at text messages on Kate McCann’s mobile phone”, justifying his decision on the basis that “telephonic interceptions could not be authorised after the event”, and that he “could not authorise the consultation of written messages sent and received before receiving a request” to this effect.
Indeed TVI has run an exposé on the “controversial judge” (see our story elsewhere), adding that in 2007 “there were many voices” speaking out against this decision.
Now, as a result of the appeal court’s decision, the PJ would have had a great deal more investigative freedom.
Évora’s judges were asked to rule on the law following a case of theft in Serpa where the suspect had “inadvertently” left his mobile phone at the scene of the crime.
To find out who he was, police had gone through the man’s text messages and phone records.
The Public Ministry had argued that this was the kind of action that only a judge could authorise, but the panel defended that, “in essence”, a message kept in digital support “had the same protection as a written letter received in the post that had been opened and then filed in a personal file”.
Referring specifically to the case in Serpa, which DN stressed “should now apply to other cases”, the use of this kind of material should not require “previous intervention by a judge” to be authorised as proof.
Within hours of running the story, DN had received a number of commentaries both for and against.
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I read a tweet about this today, interesting indeed.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
How long are text messages stored for.. Could hypothetically they still be accessed from K's phone records after all these years...
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Does this mean they can now be questioned on the flurry of calls and texts by the PJ if necessary?
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Re:Portugal Resident 21/05/15.
The way I see it the P.J. no doubt already have all the data from the phones but were unable to use the information in 2007. They may now be able to release the details.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
I hope that's right.costello wrote:The way I see it the P.J. no doubt already have all the data from the phones but were unable to use the information in 2007. They may now be able to release the details.
OG if I remember rightly made a lot of 'noise' about phone records a while back..
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Could this be a reason to get them back to Portugal for questioning? Would be reasonable enough, or do the PJ already know who and why was contacted but haven't been allowed to use that info?
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Re:Portugal Resident 21/05/15.
Andrew wrote:I hope that's right.costello wrote:The way I see it the P.J. no doubt already have all the data from the phones but were unable to use the information in 2007. They may now be able to release the details.
OG if I remember rightly made a lot of 'noise' about phone records a while back..
Don't quote me Andrew, it really is just what I think. If you read N.M.@AdirenM. tweets in my opinion he seems to know what he is talking about and I think he is genuine. On the plus side he lives in the Algarve.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Will have a look at that. Thanks Costello.
All those deleted messages / calls from the Mc's.
(there is a video somewhere of them both in hysterics about thIs when asked the question)
Well hopefully they won't be seeing the funny side now because of this latest news.
All those deleted messages / calls from the Mc's.
(there is a video somewhere of them both in hysterics about thIs when asked the question)
Well hopefully they won't be seeing the funny side now because of this latest news.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Hmm, this is taken from the thread Andrew started earlier,
Intimate conversations between the pair have been secretly listened to and their movements tracked by investigators.
A British source added: "After a slow start, the police inquiry is a lot more focused and professional.
"There is a great deal of co-operation between the Portuguese and British police. There are likely to be further dramatic developments in the next few days.
"A lot of people will be surprised by what else is going to come out."
Intimate conversations between the pair have been secretly listened to and their movements tracked by investigators.
A British source added: "After a slow start, the police inquiry is a lot more focused and professional.
"There is a great deal of co-operation between the Portuguese and British police. There are likely to be further dramatic developments in the next few days.
"A lot of people will be surprised by what else is going to come out."
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
dogs don't lie wrote:Hmm, this is taken from the thread Andrew started earlier,
Intimate conversations between the pair have been secretly listened to and their movements tracked by investigators.
A British source added: "After a slow start, the police inquiry is a lot more focused and professional.
"There is a great deal of co-operation between the Portuguese and British police. There are likely to be further dramatic developments in the next few days.
"A lot of people will be surprised by what else is going to come out."
Which thread is that DDL?
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
From the DM article. Although that's back in 2007.
Makes you think though what they have got intelligence wise but not disclosed to this day. Yet.
Makes you think though what they have got intelligence wise but not disclosed to this day. Yet.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Andrew wrote:From the DM article. Although that's back in 2007.
Makes you think though what they have got intelligence wise but not disclosed to this day. Yet.
Ah! thanks.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Goncalo Amaral also famously stated, "there are things I haven't said yet".
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
I like this.
The Suppressionals @1matthewwright1 · 50m 50 minutes ago
The 'abductor' must be fuming at the new law in Portugal & such joyous news for #mccann?
The Suppressionals @1matthewwright1 · 50m 50 minutes ago
The 'abductor' must be fuming at the new law in Portugal & such joyous news for #mccann?
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Redwood said at some stage said phone call analysis would be crucial if I recall.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
I agree. IIRC PJ had phone information, but were not allowed to use it without court allowance.
The times they are a changing ...
The times they are a changing ...
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
I'm not going to get too excited about this ruling just yet,but I'm sure if the case is shelved again Kate and Gerry will need a few extra toilet rolls.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
I think they are fully stocked up on toilet rolls and using more by the day.Poppy wrote:I'm not going to get too excited about this ruling just yet,but I'm sure if the case is shelved again Kate and Gerry will need a few extra toilet rolls.
An extra batch ordered when they heard about this phone stuff.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Does this ruling include cases from the past or just new cases?
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
kylie wrote:Does this ruling include cases from the past or just new cases?
This sentence:
it could have changed endless police investigations in the past - not least the original Madeleine McCann inquiry
Seems to suggest that the grandfather rule applies? We'll have to wait for details to know for sure.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
Just remembered the 'new batch of phones' that DP organised in the aftermath.
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Re: Historic Ruling by Portugal court -Text messages and calls “can now be submitted in court as evidence” - Portugal Resident - 21/05/15
TheTruthWillOut wrote:kylie wrote:Does this ruling include cases from the past or just new cases?
This sentence:it could have changed endless police investigations in the past - not least the original Madeleine McCann inquiry
Seems to suggest that the grandfather rule applies? We'll have to wait for details to know for sure.
Thank you.
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