Re: The Mystery of Corrie McKeague

unreorganised Fri 03 Mar 2017, 11:21 pm

Andrew wrote:Do Biffa dispose of their rubbish at the landfill site...?

I think I suggested that earlier on. Somebody might have had to make an admission that "recycling" has been going direct to landfill.

TheTruthWillOut Sat 04 Mar 2017, 12:01 am

unreorganised wrote:
Andrew wrote:Do Biffa dispose of their rubbish at the landfill site...?

I think I suggested that earlier on. Somebody might have had to make an admission that "recycling" has been going direct to landfill.

See I can't see this being possible in this case unless Suffolk Police have made some almighty errors and/or this arrested man (and possibly others) have really done some extensive covering up that has fooled them.

On the other hand.....if Corrie is found in that tiny 920 sqm area that only contains Bury St Edmunds waste when presumably the rest of the massive site is Cambridgeshire waste then what does that tells us?

It is a bit worrying that two articles today (Telegraph and Courier) have both said Corrie's phone pinged near the landfill site last but I assume this is a typical media these days. If it is true though...

unreorganised Sat 04 Mar 2017, 9:21 am

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/01/why_the_mafia_loves_garbage.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/jul/08/recycling-electronic-waste-crime

Just google "Waste disposal and organised crime". I'm not saying that Corrie was bumped off by the mafia, but investigations might have been made more complicated than necessary.

Andrew Sun 05 Mar 2017, 9:46 am

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/corrie-mckeagues-dad-haunted-theory-9967335

The heartbroken dad of missing RAF serviceman Corrie McKeague says he is haunted by the theory that his son may have been tipped into the back of a bin lorry.

Martin McKeague spoke after it emerged a 26-year-old special constable who works for a waste management firm has been arrested in connection with Corrie’s disappearance.

Martin, 48, of Cupar, Fife, worked as a binman with Perth and Kinross Council for eight years and says he could never have imagined missing a body in a bin.

He and his wife Trisha, 54, will travel to Suffolk this week to watch a police search for Corrie at a landfill site.

Andrew Sun 05 Mar 2017, 6:27 pm

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/593847/Missing-RAF-gunner-Corrie-McKeague-mother-internet-trolls

Corrie McKeague's mum suffers `additional grief' from internet trolls
THE mum of missing airman Corrie McKeague has told how trolls having "hurtful conversations" online about his swinging lifestyle are causing her "additional grief".

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 11:15 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3019303/detectives-hunting-for-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague-to-start-searching-huge-landfill-site-this-week/

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-03-06/corrie-mckeague-landfill-site-search-begins-this-week/

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:09 pm

.... They say it will take 6 to 10 weeks to search the 920 square metres. To put that size into perspective, the average football pitch is just over 7100 square metres.

Couldn't they just bring in some cadaver dogs and walk round that particular area in a day and see if any alerts are given and then do the necessary fingertip search.....? scratch

Heisenburg Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:13 pm

Andrew wrote:.... They say it will take 6 to 10 weeks to search the 920 square metres. To put that size into perspective, the average football pitch is just over 7100 square metres.

Couldn't they just bring in some cadaver dogs and walk round that particular area in a day and see if any alerts are given and then do the necessary fingertip search.....?

I did wonder on the dogs,perish the thought but its a possibility many parts?

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:23 pm

Sadly and horrifying that is a possibility, H. Although I can't understand how part of him could be in one area and other parts scattered about further a field. I think if he is there then he will be there in one specific area. And it would make sense to bring in the dogs for that initial search. Maybe they will do. scratch

TheTruthWillOut Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:34 pm

I think it has been said that cadaver dogs can't/won't be used as it is too dangerous for them. I guess the gases that come off the site like methane and glass and metals cutting their paws.

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 2:44 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I think it has been said that cadaver dogs can't/won't be used as it is too dangerous for them. I guess the gases that come off the site like methane and glass and metals cutting their paws.

Alright TTWO.

Yes, that makes sense I guess.

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 2:57 pm

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

Corrie McKeague
Police will begin a full-scale search of part of a landfill site at Milton in Cambridgeshire this week as part of the continuing investigation to find Corrie McKeague.

Following preparatory work including building access routes to the area of the site that needs to be searched, moving 8,000 tonnes of bulk material and placing facilities at the location, the full scale search will now begin.

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said;

“The search is likely to take six to ten weeks to complete, although this will obviously depend on daily progress on the site. We have a large area – around 920 square metres, up to a depth of eight metres – of waste to search through and a plan has been put in place to manage this process to ensure a thorough and comprehensive search is undertaken.

“Teams of specialist search trained police officers from both Suffolk and Norfolk will be carrying out the work to find anything that may be linked to the investigation.

“In planning the search we have taken into account not only the need to find Corrie, but also factors including the noise, odour and disruption implications for local residents and site workers, and the safety and welfare of the officers who will undertake the search.

"We know that physically searching the site has the potential to cause an increase in odour and we have taken steps to reduce this as much as possible. We hope residents will understand that we and the site owners have taken all these things into consideration when making a decision to go ahead with the search. However we also hope they will also understand why we are doing this as part of our ongoing enquiries to find Corrie.

"We need to find him and discover what happened to him. While the search may not provide the answers as to what happened it is something we need to do as our investigation continues.”

Since Corrie was reported as missing, police have been working through all possibilities to discover where he is. The work has been prioritised with the most likely scenarios being examined in detail.

One of these lines of enquiry has been in respect of waste collections from the area, known as the horseshoe, around the time of the last sighting of Corrie.

It was known, and CCTV shows, that a waste lorry made a collection in the area a short time after the last confirmed sighting of Corrie and the lorry was seized in the early stages of the enquiry for forensic examination. This did not reveal any traces of him, however the waste collection has been one line of enquiry police have persisted with and kept under constant review.

The area of the landfill site where waste collected from Bury St Edmunds that morning was deposited has not had further items put onto it since police alerted the site, early in the investigation, to the possibility that this may need to be searched.

Detectives working on the case have carried out a systematic examination of the possible options including using CCTV, phone and social media analysis, searches, media appeals, talking to those who had contact with Corrie, investigating his background and social life and tracing those who were out in Bury St Edmunds at the time of the last sighting – 3.25am on Saturday 24 September.

Anyone with information about his disappearance is asked to call the incident room at Suffolk Police on 01473 782019.

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 9:55 pm

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/scale-task-revealed-first-pics-12701416

Andrew Mon 06 Mar 2017, 11:29 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/corrie-mckeagues-dad-says-hes-9978666

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:58 am

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/video-search-teams-begin-work-hunting-for-missing-raf-serviceman-corrie-mckeague-at-cambridgeshire-landfill-1-7853698

TheTruthWillOut Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:18 pm

Unbelievable. So many questions coming all round...

A 26-year-old man arrested on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice as part of the continuing Corrie McKeague missing person investigation has been told he will face no further action.

The 26-year-old was arrested on Wednesday 1 March and interviewed about information provided to the investigation before being bailed. However, after more work by detectives, he has now been told he will face no further action.

Police have been carrying out extensive work to check and re-check data provided to officers. As a result of this comprehensive checking process and analysis it was discovered that the initial weight of the waste pick-up supplied to the investigation was incorrect and that it was far higher than originally thought.

This directly led to the arrest as police moved to secure any potential evidence however, following further work and the interviewing of a second man under caution, detectives now believe there was no attempt to hide information.

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said; "Through the persistence of officers and their detailed work we recently identified that the data provided was incorrect. We now know the weight of the waste collection from the ‘horseshoe’ on the night Corrie went missing was over 100kg, when the original information we were given indicated that this was 11kg, and this makes our search of the landfill the next logical step to try to find Corrie.

“The investigation has identified that the company who provided the data usually charge per collection, not per weight of load collected, and it appears that it was genuinely believed by the company that the data provided was correct. There was no intention to mislead the investigation, however our discovery, through persisting with this through our enquiries and evidence gathering, now puts a new emphasis on the search.

“Corrie’s family have been made aware of this new information and we continue to liaise with them as we move forward.

“Our extensive work around CCTV to see if Corrie could have left the Brentgovel Street area and the vast number of other enquiries we have been making have been crucial to getting us to this point.

“We have had to be methodical and systematic in our approach to ensure we were not ruling out the line of enquiry that may give us the answers. The search of the landfill is a huge undertaking, and still may not provide the answer as to what happened, but now, with new information uncovered by the officers working on the case, this is the priority.

“We would like to thank all of those organisations who have been assisting with the investigation. Their assistance and co-operation throughout has allowed us to conduct the enquiries we needed to do and we are grateful that they have been supportive of our work.”

Any information relating to Corrie’s disappearance should be passed to the incident room on 01473 782019. Alternatively you can call 101 and ask to speak to the team.

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:42 pm

For crying out loud. I can't believe I've just read that.

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:43 pm

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-03-07/error-reveals-corrie-mckeagues-body-could-have-been-in-bin-lorry/

costello Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:45 pm

@TTWO, I have just heard the same on our Scottish news headlines.Bizarre indeed.... sorry but in the words of Wendy Murphy 'I'm not buying any of this". Just my thoughts as ever.

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:49 pm

..... So in a nutshell now, could he have climbed inside a bin for a kip and basically just got carted off in an unconscious state and got fatally injured at disposal point....

Or of course put in the bin after an altercation and same end result.

TheTruthWillOut Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:54 pm

Awful for his family... Sad

So many questions I can't think...

If he went in the BL to Barton Mills with his phone then why did it remain there until 08:00? Is that also wrong info? Milton LF is 20 odd miles SW of Barton Mills.

If he was just asleep in the bin then surely being tipped into a bin lorry would wake him and he would make one hell of a noise?

If he was dead in the bin then who was closest to him in time in the horseshoe? (4 minute man?)

Why would Cardboard and paper recycling go straight to LF?

Etc..

Bampots Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:36 pm

Because most recycling is something council tax payers must do......but lots of councils dont!!!

chirpyinsect Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:46 pm

costello wrote:@TTWO, I have just heard the same on our Scottish news headlines.Bizarre indeed.... sorry but in the words of Wendy Murphy 'I'm not buying any of this". Just my thoughts as ever.

I'm with you on that note Costello. The average weight of the collections from Greggs were checked for several months before, and worked out at 11kg give or take. The bin man would have to move the bin to hook it onto the lorry so must have struggled to shift it. 100kg isn't easily moved. All reports at the beginning stated 11kg.
If 100kg was recorded then Greggs would be billed for 100kg and would surely by now have queried it. If only 11kg was recorded, Greggs would not have queried it so how on Earth did it come to light?

chirpyinsect Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:52 pm

Bampots wrote:Because most recycling is something council tax payers must do......but lots of councils dont!!!

But this was a private uplift Bampots not council. Biffa don't uplift for the council. And the landfill is in Cambridgeshire much further to travel than where dry waste should end up.

TheTruthWillOut Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:32 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
costello wrote:@TTWO, I have just heard the same on our Scottish news headlines.Bizarre indeed.... sorry but in the words of Wendy Murphy 'I'm not buying any of this". Just my thoughts as ever.

I'm with you on that note Costello. The average weight of the collections from Greggs were checked for several months before, and worked out at 11kg give or take. The bin man would have to move the bin to hook it onto the lorry so must have struggled to shift it. 100kg isn't easily moved. All reports at the beginning stated 11kg.
If 100kg was recorded then Greggs would be billed for 100kg and would surely by now have queried it. If only 11kg was recorded, Greggs would not have queried it so how on Earth did it come to light?

What is said in the Police statement is that Biffa don't charge customers by weight but per collection. I assume the error occurred because they were asked to provide details (the weight) they weren't used to and they cocked it up. I do sort of agree about the bin lorry driver in the sense that when the 11KG weight info was released he must have realised at that point it was wrong but didn't say anything. He wasn't the regular driver for this route so before this he might not have known what was normal for that bin.

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