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Post  Walt Sat 31 Oct 2015, 10:21 pm

Can some one bring the front page of tomorrows express in,apparently a convicted child killer is to be questioned about Madeleine.
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Post  espeland Sat 31 Oct 2015, 10:54 pm



"He bears a striking resemblance to the photofit of a man seen holding a child in his arms just minutes after Madeleine was snatched from Praia da Luz."


So does Gerry.
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Post  Freedom Sat 31 Oct 2015, 10:58 pm

I've now found a link to the front page of tomorrow's paper. This appears to be a different man.

https://twitter.com/JillyCL/status/660578115371028480
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Post  Walt Sat 31 Oct 2015, 11:00 pm

Freedom wrote:I've now found a link to the front page of tomorrow's paper. This appears to be a different man.

https://twitter.com/JillyCL/status/660578115371028480

Thats the one,they are getting there,from a live findable child,its now onto child killers.
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Post  chilli Sat 31 Oct 2015, 11:54 pm

@ deecoy

Having first hand knowledge of the areas KH grew up in and the school she went to, I would be being extremely complementary if I said she was upper working class. The words 'rough as .....' spring to mind. I cringe everytime I hear her's and Ma Healey's voices. All contrived. No one speaks like that naturally in Liverpool. Just think Hyacinth Bucket.
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Post  Dee Coy Sun 01 Nov 2015, 12:46 am

chilli wrote:@ deecoy

Having first hand knowledge of the areas KH grew up in and the school she went to, I would be being extremely complementary if I said she was upper working class. The words 'rough as .....' spring to mind. I cringe everytime I hear her's and Ma Healey's voices. All contrived. No one speaks like that naturally in Liverpool. Just think Hyacinth Bucket.

Fantastic, chilli - love it, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm getting at. Ma Healy obviously recognised the discrepancies and took steps to start the haul upwards. Hence the refined words and subdued accents. Hyacinth Bucket was already firmly in my mind when conjuring the image of Mrs Healy.

In fairness, you can't lay the same claim at Eileen McCann's door. She's honest to her roots.

This class stuff sounds trivial and I bet many are thinking it's shallow and irrelevant nonsense.

But I think it's crucial to understanding why things evolved as they did. I do believe Gerry in particular considered he'd made great strides. Social improvement was extremely important to him. His status, connections, Rothley house and lifestyle reflected his achievements and were a signal to the world that he was now someone of import. And in fairness he'd worked hard for this advancement. I honestly think this is why he did everything to avoid the unravelment of all he'd achieved and it is this desperation that underpins this case. His whole life achievement was at risk and he'd risk everything and do anything to protect that. It meant so much more to him - he'd climbed a mountain to get where he was, his peers had wandered a meandering trail.

So that's where the labyrinth started, in my opinion.

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Post  costello Sun 01 Nov 2015, 6:56 am

Great take on the class system Dee Coy. I've always been a bit miffed when the McCanns have been referred to as 'middle class'. For what it is worth I see them as working class, just like me.
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Post  costello Sun 01 Nov 2015, 7:20 am

Dee Coy wrote:
Walt wrote:It pains me to admit it,but its for research,I've just gone out and got a sun,the closing paragraph states and I quote.

Crucial to the new search will be access to information Operation Grange has uncovered.The McCanns can only hope it will bring them more success.

Walt - you are a martyr to the cause.

Hmm, not sure what to make of this. Would the McCanns be legally entitled to look at police files paid for by the government? Our money. Or is the article saying the McCanns would hope to have access, that would be crucial to their private search?

Am I correct in saying 'MI5' know everything that happened?
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Post  candyfloss Sun 01 Nov 2015, 7:49 am

Walt wrote:
Freedom wrote:I've now found a link to the front page of tomorrow's paper. This appears to be a different man.

https://twitter.com/JillyCL/status/660578115371028480

Thats the one,they are getting there,from a live findable child,its now onto child killers.

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Post  PMR Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:18 am

I sometimes wonder if the subtle(ish) changes of references away from abduction and kidnapping to murder and death are deliberate on OG etcs part , to start to change perception in the public
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Post  candyfloss Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:47 am

Did this German serial killer snatch Madeleine McCann? Police probe new suspect

A CHILD murderer who has confessed to killing two boys is expected to be investigated over the disappearence of Madeleine McCann.


Detectives in Germany also want to know if the 32-year-old double killer, known only as Silvio S, took five-year-old Inga Gehricke.

Since she vanished on May 2 this year after walking into woods during a family barbecue in the Saxony-Anhalt state, some 50 miles from Berlin, Inga has been known as the German Madeleine.

Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine, who disappeared in Portugal aged three on May 3, 2007, are following developments closely.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

He would have been 24 at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance during a family holiday. Silvio was arrested on Thursday and has since admitted two child killings after his mother gave information to police.

Four-year-old Bosnian refugee Mohammed Januzi was snatched as his parents visited a government welfare office in Berlin on October 1.

Last Tuesday police released CCTV footage of the child being led away from the building by a bearded man.

Later Silvio’s mother called police because she was suspicious about the behaviour of her son.

When officers searched his car last Thursday they found the decomposing body of the Bosnian boy in the boot among cat litter.

Silvio admitted he took the child to his home, sexually abused him and strangled him the following day because he would not stop crying.

While being interviewed by police Silvio also admitted abducting, abusing and killing a six-year-old boy called Elias, who had vanished from the town of Potsdam, near Berlin, in July.

The child, who was enticed into his car, was found buried in the garden of Silvio’s home in the village of Niedergörsdorf, near Berlin.

Police spokesman Stefan Redlich said: “The man confessed overnight that he had also killed Elias.”


It is thought that the boy was also strangled. Winfrid Wenzel, head of the investigation into Mohammed’s disappearance, said officers were “in close contact” with counterparts investigating Inga’s case.



The blonde-haired, blue-eyed child had been with her family enjoying a barbecue at an apartment complex in a forest near Stendal.

It is thought she wandered off to collect wood to light a campfire but never returned.

More than 500 police and volunteers have been searching a vast area of forest, where wolves live, but there has been no sign of her.

Specially trained police dogs have also been unsuccessful in picking up the scent of Inga, who had been wearing a butterfly T-shirt and blue jeans.

Police sources said during interviews Silvio S was “very cold”, showing signs of strong emotion only when he talked about his own family.

He was born in the former communist state of East Germany and worked as a tiler.

His father was a sheep breeder and his mother runs a small corner shop.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/616077/Madeleine-McCann-new-suspect-Germany-Silvio-S-serial-killer-children

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Post  Poe Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:15 am

No quotes from the Met in that article. It reads like Clarence at his finest - trying to muddy the waters and distract away from the McCanns.



The last line:

His father was a sheep breeder and his mother runs a small corner shop.

Next week will they be looking for a French paedophile whose father smells of elderberries and whose mother is a hamster?

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Post  Cristobell Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:19 am

Dee Coy wrote:
chilli wrote:@ deecoy

Having first hand knowledge of the areas KH grew up in and the school she went to, I would be being extremely complementary if I said she was upper working class. The words 'rough as .....' spring to mind. I cringe everytime I hear her's and Ma Healey's voices. All contrived. No one speaks like that naturally in Liverpool. Just think Hyacinth Bucket.

Fantastic, chilli - love it, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm getting at. Ma Healy obviously recognised the discrepancies and took steps to start the haul upwards. Hence the refined words and subdued accents. Hyacinth Bucket was already firmly in my mind when conjuring the image of Mrs Healy.

In fairness, you can't lay the same claim at Eileen McCann's door. She's honest to her roots.

This class stuff sounds trivial and I bet many are thinking it's shallow and irrelevant nonsense.

But I think it's crucial to understanding why things evolved as they did. I do believe Gerry in particular considered he'd made great strides. Social improvement was extremely important to him. His status, connections, Rothley house and lifestyle reflected his achievements and were a signal to the world that he was now someone of import. And in fairness he'd worked hard for this advancement. I honestly think this is why he did everything to avoid the unravelment of all he'd achieved and it is this desperation that underpins this case. His whole life achievement was at risk and he'd risk everything and do anything to protect that. It meant so much more to him - he'd climbed a mountain to get where he was, his peers had wandered a meandering trail.

So that's where the labyrinth started, in my opinion.



I think you are spot on there Dee Coy, for Gerry and Kate it has always been about keeping up appearances. Gerry reminds me of a song from the 80's (or was it the 70's?)....... 'the working class can kiss my ass, I've got foreman's job at last' (to the tune of the Red Flag).

Doctors in our society are put on pedestals. They are fawned over and treated like demi Gods in hospitals, and we always address them by their professional titles. The tapas doctors did not consider the Portuguese police their equals, socially or intellectually, they expected to be revered, not questioned.
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Post  Walt Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:26 am

From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.
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Post  Bampots Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:28 am

They try so hard! Maybe it's me,the cynical old trout I've become. The first thing that screams out is the fact that the victims are two boys! I've read something yesterday that said although his offences involved boys,pedophiles are not fussy what sex the victim is. Sounds questionable to me but let's say it's correct and all that we have is an opportunist who grabs the nearest child. and travels the world to do so. Although in this case  both children have been boys and both in Germany and less than 80 miles apart.
So is this man a real threat,why has he been plucked from hideous obscurity and thrust onto the world stage? Is this another attempt to throw the investigation way off from the place it needs to concentrate on? Should we all be looking world wide when these cases occur? Or should we trust in the stats that tells us where to look.....closer to home!

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Post  Honeyblade Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:33 am

Lol @ Walt @candy ... Priceless !!
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Post  Walt Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:39 am

Bampots wrote:They try so hard! Maybe it's me,the cynical old trout I've become. The first thing that screams out is the fact that the victims are two boys! I've read something yesterday that said although his offences involved boys,pedophiles are not fussy what sex the victim is. Sounds questionable to me but let's say it's correct and all that we have is an opportunist who grabs the nearest child. and travels the world to do so. Although in this case  both children have been boys and both in Germany and less than 80 miles apart.
So is this man a real threat,why has he been plucked from hideous obscurity and thrust onto the world stage? Is this another attempt to throw the investigation way off from the place it needs to concentrate on? Should we all be looking world wide when these cases occur? Or should we trust in the stats that tells us where to look.....closer to home!

Sidney Cooke and his ilk were only interested in boys.
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Post  candyfloss Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:41 am

Another one, thanks  to the member who sent it to me...........


Madeleine McCann: Halloween outfit snap helps keep hopes alive

THIS picture of Madeleine McCann dressed as a Halloween pumpkin was posted yesterday on a Facebook campaign website to remind people to keep looking for her

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Rest on link - more photos etc.....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/616080/Madeleine-McCann-Halloween-pumpkin-outfit-picture-keep-hopes-alive


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Post  dogs don't lie Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:41 am

But then we have Eddie and Keela!





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Post  chirpyinsect Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:49 am

Walt wrote:From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport  with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.
Exactly Walt. Back in 2007, although machine readable passports existed, very few countries scanned these at the border. Much more likely arrivals received the " look" from a customs official on entering.
Some airlines collect API ( advance passenger information) but that would be impossible to trace for an individual without knowledge of travel date, airline etc.
No this smells pink to me.

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Post  Honeyblade Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:55 am

@chilli @deecoy both excellent insight about gerrys drive and ambition being rooted in ghetto escape ...another reason I think Tapas tolerated him was because Kate does the bewildered victim very well with the addition of being at that time blonde beautiful outgoing fun ... But I don't believe for one second they were considered equals in the group .. Just tolerated ...
I've read people say she& Gerry had a closer bond than she or he made out on CW .. I've never worked that bit out .. Something bound them together I tend to think it was status and reputation so everything they did was save their skin damage limitation but who knows ?
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Post  Poe Sun 01 Nov 2015, 10:01 am

Walt wrote:
Bampots wrote:They try so hard! Maybe it's me,the cynical old trout I've become. The first thing that screams out is the fact that the victims are two boys! I've read something yesterday that said although his offences involved boys,pedophiles are not fussy what sex the victim is. Sounds questionable to me but let's say it's correct and all that we have is an opportunist who grabs the nearest child. and travels the world to do so. Although in this case  both children have been boys and both in Germany and less than 80 miles apart.
So is this man a real threat,why has he been plucked from hideous obscurity and thrust onto the world stage? Is this another attempt to throw the investigation way off from the place it needs to concentrate on? Should we all be looking world wide when these cases occur? Or should we trust in the stats that tells us where to look.....closer to home!

Sidney Cooke and his ilk were only interested in boys.

They're trying too hard.

If the McCanns are being kept fully informed of the investigation and they know that they have nothing to fear, they wouldn't be pushing stories like this. They wouldn't want to jeopardise the investigation so they would be keeping quiet.

They're whistling in the dark.
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Post  candyfloss Sun 01 Nov 2015, 10:23 am

I think we know from past experience that there is something about to come out..... Wink

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Post  Freedom Sun 01 Nov 2015, 10:24 am

Posts transferred here from https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1061-breaking-news-on-bbc-madeleine-mccann-case-police-team-cut-to-four

To lighten the mood for a moment (reading about this creature has made me feel ill) there was an oddity when I first read the posts without being logged in. The name Hyacinth Bucket was "live" and linked to this item.

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/round-water-hyacinth-bucket-in-natural/1043402502?skuId=43402502&utm_source=shopping.com&utm_medium=cse&zmam=77312802&zmac=4&zmas=1&zmap=43402502&mcid=CSE_shopping_paid_none_

Strangely, it doesn't work now that I'm logged in.
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