Sunday Express and Daily Star - child killer questioned about Madeleine

costello wrote:Great take on the class system Dee Coy. I've always been a bit miffed when the McCanns have been referred to as 'middle class'. For what it is worth I see them as working class, just like me.

But don't people move between social classes? Society is not rigid.

Both Kate and Gerry got into university before the horrendous fees now applying. They worked hard and became doctors. Medicine is a middle class occupation/profession. The correct description of them IMO would be 'came from a working class background now middle class.'

Costello I don't know what level of education you have/what work you do but I suspect if I knew I would describe you as middle class. Sorry about that!

I agree that keeping their hard won middle class status would be very important to the Mccanns. Would be interesting to look at the backgrounds of the rest of the Tapas group. Were they all middle class as opposed to working class -> middle class?

Antonia wrote:

costello wrote:Great take on the class system Dee Coy. I've always been a bit miffed when the McCanns have been referred to as 'middle class'. For what it is worth I see them as working class, just like me.

But don't people move between social classes? Society is not rigid.  

Both Kate and Gerry got into university before the horrendous fees now applying. They worked hard and became doctors. Medicine is a middle class occupation/profession.  The correct description of them IMO would be  'came from a working class background now middle class.'

Costello I don't know what level of education you have/what work you do but I suspect if I knew I would describe you as middle class. Sorry about that!

I agree that keeping their hard won middle class status would be very important to the Mccanns. Would be interesting to look at the backgrounds of the rest of the Tapas group. Were they all middle class as opposed to working class -> middle class?

I see where you are coming from Antonia, what with medicine being regarded as a middle class occupation. I still see the McCann's as working class (like me) just my opinion, that's all.

I don't know why, but the pumpkin photo (whenever it is given yet another airing at this time of year) always has that fuzzy look about it as if it's a photo of an analogue photo rather than a jpeg straight from a camera. It won't be much help finding her either unless she has spent the last 8 years dressed as a pumpkin and is still going round in fancy dress
there are other fuzzy photos like this but not all of them are. All the fuzzy photos in our family are ancient, much more than 10 years old

Walt wrote:From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport  with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.

They don't need to stamp the passports. When you travel from the UK to European countries, you are required to provide passport details to the airline/ferry etc. It's checked at check in against their electronic records and then when you enter a country your passport is scanned at Passport control. I agree that things have tightened up over the last few years due to terrorist threats but I think its well neigh impossible for passport holders to travel anywhere in Europe without big brother having a record of it.

Not that I think this story is anything but a money making exercise for the Sunday tabloids and another sort of exercise for pinky. The report of the arrest has been around all week - it's only today on the prime day for newspaper sales that any link to MBM has been made.

Lordy.Lordy Lordy.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6720407/Did-German-double-child-killer-snatch-Maddie-McCann.html?CMP=spklr-_-S9SunSocial-_-TWITTER-_-SunNewsdesk-_-20151101-_-News-_-267496844-_-Imageandlink

My red.

Did German double child killer snatch Maddie McCann?
British cops could question twisted fiend over missing Madeleine

A GERMAN double child killer could be grilled by British cops over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, according to reports.

The twisted murderer known as Silvio S has dramatically confessed to killing two children – after he was arrested on Thursday when his mother alerted police.

German cops fear he may have snatched missing girl five-year-old girl Inga Gehricke who is believed to have been snatched.

Inga — known as the German Madeleine — disappeared on May 2 this year in woods during a family barbecue in the Saxony-Anhalt state, some 50 miles from Berlin.

Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine – whose investigating team was slashed from 29 to just four – are reportedly tracking the Silvio S probe.

They will contact their German counterparts to see if Silvio S was Portugal in May 2007 when Madeleine - who vanished aged three - was taken from a holiday apartment.
Silvio was held on Thursday by cops – then admitted two child killings after his mother gave information to police when she became suspicious of his behaviour.

Detectives then found the decomposing body of four-year-old Bosnian refugee Mohammed Januzi in the boot of Silvio’s car among cat litter.

The lad was snatched on October 1 where Silvio admitted he took the child to his home, sexually abused him and strangled him the following day because he would not stop crying.

Silvio also confessed to abusing and killing a six-year-old boy called Elias, who had vanished from the town of Potsdam, near Berlin, in July.
On Thursday the police revealed the hunt for Madeleine, who vanished aged three from Praia da Luz, Portugal, is being scaled down from 29 cops to four.

The Met’s Operation Grange could be shelved as early as the New Year amid complaints from MPs over its £11million cost.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann have vowed to carry on the search for her when the police hunt is over.

They have already cash in the Find Madeleine Fund, around £750,000, to pay for a team of private investigators — who are believed to be former police officer

chilli wrote:

Walt wrote:From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport  with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.

They don't need to stamp the passports. When you travel from the UK to European countries, you are required to provide passport details to the airline/ferry etc.  It's checked at check in against their electronic records and then when you enter a country your passport is scanned at Passport control. I agree that things have tightened up over the last few years due to terrorist threats but I think its well neigh impossible for passport holders to travel anywhere in Europe without big brother having a record of it.

Not that I think this story is anything but a money making exercise for the Sunday tabloids and another sort of exercise for pinky. The report of the arrest has been around all week - it's only today on the prime day for newspaper sales that any link to MBM has been made.

And if one drives around mainland Europe?

Gawdammit,this fantastic lead pops up just as we are scaling back on OG numbers,such a shame when there seems so much to do......if the police ever find the truth and that lots of these stories were engineered to take attention from this or that is it to be expected someone would be prosecuted for wasting Police time!?

The story has started doing the rounds now.

Here's The Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6720407/Did-German-double-child-killer-snatch-Maddie-McCann.html

Anyone else miss the sightings? They were something to look forward to in the Sunday rags.


We haven't had one for aaaaaages.


Come on Clarence, you can pull one last sighting out of that hat can't you? For old times sake.

Can someone please explain to  me in simple terms why these stories (there have been dozens like it over the years) are allowed to go unquestioned?

Whether engineered by pinky or the media, why don't OG or someone do something about it?

Irrespective how evil this man is in the murder of two boys, how can it be legal to run a story like this in this day and age post Leveson? Any examples of similar stories being used in any other case?

I'd email the "journalist" of this story at the Express but just know it would be a waste of time.

chilli wrote:

Walt wrote:From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport  with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.

They don't need to stamp the passports. When you travel from the UK to European countries, you are required to provide passport details to the airline/ferry etc.  It's checked at check in against their electronic records and then when you enter a country your passport is scanned at Passport control. I agree that things have tightened up over the last few years due to terrorist threats but I think its well neigh impossible for passport holders to travel anywhere in Europe without big brother having a record of it.

Not that I think this story is anything but a money making exercise for the Sunday tabloids and another sort of exercise for pinky. The report of the arrest has been around all week - it's only today on the prime day for newspaper sales that any link to MBM has been made.

I believe API only began to be implemented in 2008 and there was a grace period of 18mths. Prior to that airlines checked that your pp was valid and in the same name as the ticket, that was all. In 2007 a person could enter a country with no actual record of the visit and anyway, as Walt pointed out, air travel is not the only way to get somewhere.

Walt wrote:

chilli wrote:

Walt wrote:From the article posted by Candy.

It is expected they will ask their German counterparts to check the killer’s passport to see if he was ever in Portugal.

Now forgive my ignorance in such matters,but with Europe's open borders, how is a passport  with out a stamp going to show this,brilliant faux pas by a family spokesman.

They don't need to stamp the passports. When you travel from the UK to European countries, you are required to provide passport details to the airline/ferry etc.  It's checked at check in against their electronic records and then when you enter a country your passport is scanned at Passport control. I agree that things have tightened up over the last few years due to terrorist threats but I think its well neigh impossible for passport holders to travel anywhere in Europe without big brother having a record of it.

Not that I think this story is anything but a money making exercise for the Sunday tabloids and another sort of exercise for pinky. The report of the arrest has been around all week - it's only today on the prime day for newspaper sales that any link to MBM has been made.

And if one drives around mainland Europe?

Its an awfully long way to drive there and back for a holiday.

As mentioned before, there's also the Halloween photo of a child who looks nothing like Madeleine being put out again as if it never has been made public before.

Here it is in The Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-release-pumpkin-6746108#ICID=FB_mirror_main

Hellsbells wrote:I don't know why, but the pumpkin photo (whenever it is given yet another airing at this time of year) always has that fuzzy look about it as if it's a photo of an analogue photo rather than a jpeg straight from a camera. It won't be much help finding her either unless she has spent the last 8 years dressed as a pumpkin and is still going round in fancy dress
there are other fuzzy photos like this but not all of them are. All the fuzzy photos in our family are ancient, much more than 10 years old

It looks like it may be a still from a video camera or possibly filmed footage from a phone?

Freedom wrote:As mentioned before, there's also the Halloween photo of a child who looks nothing like Madeleine being put out again as if it never has been made public before.

Here it is in The Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-release-pumpkin-6746108#ICID=FB_mirror_main

And, miraculously, this child has perfect teeth. Madeleine's teeth were not perfect and had spaces between them. Look at the next photo in the article - the tennis balls - for comparison.

Or perhaps The Mirror has noticed it too, and has included both pictures so everyone can see the obvious difference...?

Exactly Canada 12, this child's perfect teeth surely must raise a few eyebrows.

Daily Star this morning...

So still "May" interview although headline suggests otherwise!






Madeleine McCann PA

SEARCH: Police have arrested a paedophile in the hunt for Maddie


The monster – known only as Silvio S – was arrested on Thursday in Germany for the horrific murders.

His travel movements will be checked to see if he was in Portugal when Madeleine vanished in 2007.




The killer was caught after the decomposing body of four-year-old Bosnian refugee Mohammed Januzi was found in his car boot.

The youngster was abducted as his parents visited a welfare office in Berlin on October 1.


Silvio S was arrested by the policeJORG BERGMANN

TIP-OFF: Silvio S was arrested by the police


Silvio, 32, was arrested after his suspicious mum tipped off police.

He confessed he took the boy home where he sexually abused and strangled him the next day because he would not stop crying.

Check Silvio also admitted snatching, abusing and killing a six-year-old called Elias who vanished from nearby Potsdam in July.

The child, who was also strangled, was found buried in the garden of Silvio’s home near Berlin.


Silvio S with the four-year-old he killedCCTV

QUIZZED: Silvio S with the four-year-old he killed


Police also plan to quiz the tiler about five-year-old Inga Gehricke who vanished on May 2 during a family barbecue 50 miles away in Stendel.



“Silvio, 32, was arrested after his suspicious mum tipped off police”


The Metropolitan Police’s Operation Grange team, which is searching for Madeleine, is expected to review the killer’s movements across Europe.

Brit detectives will ask the Germans to check his passport to see if he visited Portugal.

He would have been 24 when Madeleine disappeared.


Madeleine McCann went missing in PortugalPA

GONE: Madeleine McCann went missing in Portugal


Winfrid Wenzel, head of the investigation into Mohammed’s disappearance, said his officers were “in close contact” with those probing Inga’s case.

The blonde-haired, blue eyed child vanished after wandering off to collect wood for a campfire.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 47, were unavailable for comment.

But a source said they had “every confidence” Scotland Yard would investigate all possible leads

canada12 wrote:

Freedom wrote:As mentioned before, there's also the Halloween photo of a child who looks nothing like Madeleine being put out again as if it never has been made public before.

Here it is in The Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-release-pumpkin-6746108#ICID=FB_mirror_main

And, miraculously, this child has perfect teeth. Madeleine's teeth were not perfect and had spaces between them. Look at the next photo in the article - the tennis balls - for comparison.

Or perhaps The Mirror has noticed it too, and has included both pictures so everyone can see the obvious difference...?

I don't think too much can be read into the state of the child's teeth from those photos. They're taken from different angles in different lights and the resolution in both is extremely poor. Also, I can't see why the McCanns would bother to release a picture of a child who is not Madeleine years after her disappearance. There was no demand for new pictures nor a genuine need to see a photo of her dressed as a pumpkin, so why release it when people who had known Madeleine from parties or playgroups might recognise the child in the photo and know it's not her? Or are you suggesting the tennis ball photo is another child? Again, why?

at the risk of going slightly off topic
fair point Popcorn, but did anybody know Maddie from parties or playgroups? If so, where are they?

Popcorn wrote:

canada12 wrote:

Freedom wrote:As mentioned before, there's also the Halloween photo of a child who looks nothing like Madeleine being put out again as if it never has been made public before.

Here it is in The Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-release-pumpkin-6746108#ICID=FB_mirror_main

And, miraculously, this child has perfect teeth. Madeleine's teeth were not perfect and had spaces between them. Look at the next photo in the article - the tennis balls - for comparison.

Or perhaps The Mirror has noticed it too, and has included both pictures so everyone can see the obvious difference...?

I don't think too much can be read into the state of the child's teeth from those photos. They're taken from different angles in different lights and the resolution in both is extremely poor. Also, I can't see why the McCanns would bother to release a picture of a child who is not Madeleine years after her disappearance. There was no demand for new pictures nor a genuine need to see a photo of her dressed as a pumpkin, so why release it when people who had known Madeleine from parties or playgroups might recognise the child in the photo and know it's not her? Or are you suggesting the tennis ball photo is another child? Again, why?

It's a picture of a child wearing a pumpkin suit. You can't even tell from the face whether it's a boy or a girl, let alone Madeleine. It could be anybody's chubby-cheeked child. It's seasonally relevant.

Exactly. There's nothing unusual about it. It could be a lot of kids. Which is why can I see no reason to release it if it isn't her. What's to be gained?

the Mail published it last year as a "never seen before" photo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2817193/Madeleine-little-pumpkin-poignant-image-Halloween-Never-seen-picture-shows-beaming-toddler-just-three-months-vanished.html

which might have been true if they hadn't published exactly the same photo back in 2008.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1043499/Can--Plea-Madeleine-lookalike-Brussels-bank-just-week-ago.html

it's an annual event, the never seen before photo of Maddie that has been seen on a regular basis every year since she disappeared.

I am surprised they didn't cash in on pictures of her dressed as an elf at Christmas, and a bunny at Easter. Two golden opportunities to extort more donations from the public that were missed.
They churn that pumpkin one out to tug at the nation's purse strings.

I sometimes wonder if the pink thing times these announcements to coincide with court cases relating to the Mcs, in the hope that the Portuguese press will pick it up and so sway the judges, appeal panels etc.