SUPREME COURT RULING...... TRANSLATIONS

Andrew wrote:Hang on a minute.....

The most recent blog on the PJGA blogspot is still saying 'translations will be added in the coming days'..............???

I don't think the full translation is done yet Andrew, just people reading bits and tweeting so far I think.  Natasha Donn has read it I presume.  I think PM has too.

Andrew wrote:

costello wrote:Not sure if this is the full translation.
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I didn't even clock the date in that link when you posted it

So what's actually happening here then.....

It has to be a mistake, but there's a few more tweets on #mccann.

candyfloss wrote:

Andrew wrote:Hang on a minute.....

The most recent blog on the PJGA blogspot is still saying 'translations will be added in the coming days'..............???

I don't think the full translation is done yet Andrew, just people reading bits and tweeting so far I think.  Natasha Donn has read it I presume.  I think PM has too.

Yeah I know about that.

I just got confused with Costello's earlier link thinking that was the most recent translation.

Andrew wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Andrew wrote:Hang on a minute.....

The most recent blog on the PJGA blogspot is still saying 'translations will be added in the coming days'..............???

I don't think the full translation is done yet Andrew, just people reading bits and tweeting so far I think.  Natasha Donn has read it I presume.  I think PM has too.

Yeah I know about that.

I just got confused with Costello's earlier link thinking that was the most recent translation.

The link you put up Costello was from the decision last year when Goncalo won, in April 2016, it gives the date in the link, so this is not the latest translation. 

April 2016 decision and translation NOT Supreme Court

http://pjga.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/full-translation-decision-from.html   

This is the one posted for 2017

http://pjga.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/apelacao_7.html

costello wrote:Not sure if this is the full translation.
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It looks like that is the translation of the decision of the Apellate Court not the Supreme Court.

The tweets only started a couple of hours ago Candyfloss. I did think it was strange at the time, that's why I said not sure if this is the full translation.

costello wrote:The tweets only started a couple of hours ago Candyfloss. I did think it was strange at the time, that's why I said not sure if this is the full translation.

No problem Costello, I was just trying to emphasise so there was no mix up.

There's a huge amount of detailed work involved in that document considering that the appeal was assessed and a verdict given within a matter of hours.

Perhaps a decision had already been made and the court was waiting for the green light.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

The first 10 pages translated so far by the looks of it.

Andrew wrote:http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

The first 10 pages translated so far by the looks of it.

Flipping eck that's long-winded. But I think I am gleaning from it that the AG played a blinder in the archiving statement by saying that there is, and I paraphrase, nothing to point to the parents' being guilty. Thus preserving for any future reopening of the case, protection of the McCanns' right to presumption of innocence.

AFAIK he also said, that it was a pity [non verbatim] that they never assisted to prove their innocence.

Châtelaine wrote:AFAIK he also said, that it was a pity [non verbatim] that they never assisted to prove their innocence.

Yes I think you are correct but my point is that the AG stressed that the parents were not being considered as guilty, thereby they could not claim ( later) to have been deprived of the fundamental right to be presumed innocent, as decreed in the European Convention on Human Rights.
I did notice though, that the convention is worded that a person charged with a crime has the right to presumption of innocence. The Macs were never charged.
Will edit to include relevant wording in a minute.

ETA

The presumption of innocence prohibits, according to these provisions, the premature expression of opinions or beliefs of guilt by the courts but also assumptions by public officers involved in procedures which might lead the public to suspect the responsibility of the suspects in the facts under investigation. Accordingly in the Karaman vs Germany case, the decision claims that "the Court has previously held in this context that Art 6-2 aims at preventing undermining of a fair criminal trial by prejudicial statements made in close connection with proceedings. It not only prohibits the premature expression by the tribunal itself of the opinion the person «charged with a criminal offence» is guilty before he has been so proved according to the law, but also covers statements..

39 pages translated now. Sterling work:

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

Andrew wrote:39 pages translated now. Sterling work:

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm

Yes indeed great work, and great that we have such wonderful dedicated people that do this for us, grateful thanks to them.  Thank you to Pamalam and to Ann and the PJGA blogspot for all the news.

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44 pages now translated #McCann V #Amaral: Supreme Court verdict 31 Jan 2017 more following

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.html

Page 47 is brilliant according to Pamalam, have a read here..


Pamalam-Gerrys Blogs ‏@JustPamalam · 2m2 minutes ago

Page 47 is brilliant page #McCann V #Amaral:

Supreme Court verdict 31 Jan 2017

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm#47

Pamalam-Gerrys Blogs ‏@JustPamalam · 2m2 minutes ago

#McCann V #Amaral: Supreme Court verdict 31 Jan 2017

We are up to page 70 only 5 more pages to go

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm#70 …

All finished now, thank you..



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Pamalam-Gerrys Blogs ‏@JustPamalam · 18m

All 75 pages translated #McCann V #Amaral
Supreme Court verdict 31-1-17
Last 4 words (Costs for the appellants.)
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Supreme_Court_31_01_2017.htm …

Amazing work and many many thanks.

Very much appreciated.

Andrew wrote:Amazing work and many many thanks.

Very much appreciated.

And the Macs have to pay the costs. Yippee.