Shannon Matthews hoax abduction

Andrew wrote:I was saying before about the MSM playing games. And that's exactly what they're doing.

Whether there is any direct instruction from other quarters or just the editors wanting to take the p!ss, then IMO it's the latter.

If we take the BBC....SKY....ITV...all ignoring(virtually apart from small articles on line!)the Portugese court case. BBC broadcast the Shannon Mathews Moorside "guff" placing what will bloom into Mathews condemnation of Kate.
The red top MSM initally publish semi positive pieces on the court case..  then ,big time, push neglect as AndyB says via the "horrible" unreasonable creatures(US!!)....to a man they say the same thing! 
Taking the piss.....really Andrew....you think this is the red tops having a laugh?

I've just actually listened to that radio clip that WJK posted up on the other thread (thanks, WJK) and yes MW-T appears to be pushing the abduction opportunist stuff. The man's a tool anyway and doesn't know his arse from his elbow. I thought it was rather telling that on TV he just stuck to the woke and wandered scenario and didn't use the word abduction once, then we have a bit of a falling out in the papers with the McCanns about it (remember the quote - he won't be in their good books etc) and then the next time he has an opportunity to speak albeit on the radio, then he starts plugging the 'abduction' by elaborating his story a bit more and describing what he thinks happened.

The self-serving pratt will say whatever if there's a few quid involved. The same guy who told the world Oscar Pritorious was clearly innocent (or something along those lines).

Anyway, lost my train of thought but interesting to hear other views on what you think is going on.

Personally I don't see this propaganda push myself and if they're trying to get the genie back in the bottle then they wouldn't have let him out like they have done of late. But as I say it's interesting to see what other eyes and ears think about it all.

Bampots wrote:

Andrew wrote:I was saying before about the MSM playing games. And that's exactly what they're doing.

Whether there is any direct instruction from other quarters or just the editors wanting to take the p!ss, then IMO it's the latter.

If we take the BBC....SKY....ITV...all ignoring(virtually apart from small articles on line!)the Portugese court case. BBC broadcast the Shannon Mathews Moorside "guff" placing what will bloom into Mathews condemnation of Kate.
The red top MSM initally publish semi positive pieces on the court case..  then ,big time, push neglect as AndyB says via the "horrible" unreasonable creatures(US!!)....to a man they say the same thing! 
Taking the piss.....really Andrew....you think this is the red tops having a laugh?

Morning. Yeah I do think it's a bit of game for the red tops. I think each one of them has a pretty good idea of what happened to Madeleine but as we heard last week with that shambles on ITV there are still so many legal implications/ramifications surrounding it at the moment. So even though the leash has been loosened somewhat, it has still not come off completely.

The Moorside guff as you put it... You see I thought that was more of an orchestrated attempt to link the 2 together. It was made a long time ago but nicely released just after the supreme court verdict. Coincidence? Maybe or maybe not. Again I see an strategic attempt to link them together thus creating the 'Fake Abduction' or 'Hoax'.

You ask any random on the street what their views are on the McCanns and it'll be completely different (and not pleasant) to what it was a year ago. Orchestrated? Again maybe or maybe not.

Regarding the whole 'neglect' thing, then again that's down to each and everyone's different views on it. For me then Goncalo was more or less bang on the money with his thesis. And he believed in neglect. He believed the McCanns neglected their kids (certainly M), sedated her and she had a fatal accident.

I'd go along with that. The McCanns won't though hence why they've tried to destroy him and wasted millions to try and silence him.

IMO etc.

Who would admit to neglecting babies if they didn't neglect them? Madeleine could've been taken in the middle of the night and not neglected at all. No choice because staff at the Tapas already knew the kids were left alone and written down on paper.

From the Metro article:: 'She’s never understood why British and Portuguese police haven’t taken it any further'

Perhaps they have - OG are/have been responsible for examining the abduction tales, as their Remit stated, whilst the PJ have been responsible for building a case against the McCanns.

That the MSM have followed the abduction hypothesis may be due solely to their desire not to be involved in legal disputes with the McCanns and will change completely if/when OG announce their failure to find a provable abduction scenario.

Moorside and comments from Katie Hopkins, Jodie Marsh and even Karen Matthews are probably totally independent, but useful to OG/PJ/The Government in reducing the general public support for the McCanns.

I'm in total agreement with Andrew in finding developments to date most encouraging.

If anyone can explain why the McCanns were prepared to take the flak for admitting to neglect rather than concoct a story that left them and their friends blameless, then they will have solved this case.
There are several ways they could have gotten rid of her body without saying they neglected the kids. If they were able to access storage, which we think they did if we believe in earlier death, then what was stopping them from hiring a car and disposing of her before concocting a proper break in fairytale complete with smashed shutters, open window, crying twins, messed up bed, etc which happened when they were all sleeping? No neglect but opportunity for abduction.
There has to be a reason they opted for something that could have bitten them on the bum. Did they possibly know about the Potuguese law that means if you get charged with a crime you cannot be charged with a greater crime? ( This needs to be substantiated but I read it long ago) Were they prepared to face the consequences, hoping the public would be on their side regardless and their high up connections would save their hides?
The PJ outsmarted them by not arresting them and that's why they hate GA. It's not because he supported their neglect story imo because it was they themselves who pushed that one. It was because they know that he knows.They must be bricking it these days after silencing him for 9 years.

espeland wrote:From the Metro article:: 'She’s never understood why British and Portuguese police haven’t taken it any further'

Perhaps they have - OG are/have been responsible for examining the abduction tales, as their Remit stated, whilst the PJ have been responsible for building a case against the McCanns.

That the MSM have followed the abduction hypothesis may be due solely to their desire not to be involved in legal disputes with the McCanns and will change completely if/when OG announce their failure to find a provable abduction scenario.

Moorside and comments from Katie Hopkins, Jodie Marsh and even Karen Matthews are probably totally independent, but useful to OG/PJ/The Government in reducing the general public support for the McCanns.

I'm in total agreement with Andrew in finding developments to date most encouraging.

I'm glad that somebody else shares some of my optimism

chirpyinsect wrote:If anyone can explain why the McCanns were prepared to take the flak for admitting to neglect rather than concoct a story that left them and their friends blameless, then they will have solved this case.
There are several ways they could have gotten rid of her body without saying they neglected the kids. If they were able to access storage, which we think they did if we believe in earlier death, then what was stopping them from hiring a car and disposing of her before concocting a proper break in fairytale complete with smashed shutters, open window, crying twins, messed up bed, etc which happened when they were all sleeping? No neglect but opportunity for abduction.
There has to be a reason they opted for something that could have bitten them on the bum. Did they possibly know about the Potuguese law that means if you get charged with a crime you cannot be charged with a greater crime? ( This needs to be substantiated but I read it long ago) Were they prepared to face the consequences, hoping the public would be on their side regardless and their high up connections would save their hides?
The PJ outsmarted them by not arresting them and that's why they hate GA. It's not because he supported their neglect story imo because it was they themselves who pushed that one. It was because they know that he knows.They must be bricking it these days after silencing him for 9 years.

I just had a very quick look for 'charged with a lesser crime then cannot be charged with a greater crime' but couldn't find anything. I have seen that mentioned numerous times before though. I did stumble across this though which I just had a quick glance through and thought it'd be worth posting up:

https://www.fairtrials.org/arrested-abroad/arrested-in/arrested-in-portuga/

But back to your point. Personally I don't think they opted for anything at first (apart from collectively saving their asses). Everything was done in haste and panic. They weren't smart enough to be all clued up on Portuguese law at the time. They weren't even smart enough to decide on whether the door should be locked or unlocked.

IMO etc.

No story in the paper version on the Mail or Sun today,it was in the Star,don't know about the mirror,think out side the box,read about J Archer.

Those of us who have seen the Channel 5 programme, what did you think of it?

I've just watched it on the i-player and kept nodding off! I don't think that I missed anything revealing - it just seemed to be that because KM and MD were so dim, they couldn't have come up with the idea by themselves so there had to be others involved.

All very vague and disappointing in my view.

Think I'll trust you then and not bother

Freedom wrote:Those of us who have seen the Channel 5 programme, what did you think of it?

I've just watched it on the i-player and kept nodding off! I don't think that I missed anything revealing - it just seemed to be that because KM and MD were so dim, they couldn't have come up with the idea by themselves so there had to be others involved.

All very vague and disappointing in my view.

Sharon Matthews - What happened next?

In short, nothing!

You are right Freedom nothing of interest in it at all.  Just rehashing old stuff really.

Oh good - I didn't miss anything when I nodded off then!

I still wonder whether there is an ulterior motive for putting on programmes now about this hoax abduction and mentioning the McCanns at the same time.

Freedom wrote:Those of us who have seen the Channel 5 programme, what did you think of it?

I've just watched it on the i-player and kept nodding off! I don't think that I missed anything revealing - it just seemed to be that because KM and MD were so dim, they couldn't have come up with the idea by themselves so there had to be others involved.

All very vague and disappointing in my view.

The actress who played KM put me off it a bit - didn`t think she was very good and overdid the dumbo mannerisms.

The friend has now come out and said she thinks there were others involved.

I hardly noticed the McCanns mentioned, so don`t know what they`re worried about.

It was the BBC1 programme they objected to; there were a few mentions of them in the first part, none of which could be called offensive - except perhaps to someone with a guilty conscience!

Was there an actress portraying KM in the Channel 5 programme? I did sleep through some of it and could have missed her.

“It is beyond belief anyone could’ve sought to exploit poor Madeleine’s plight.”.

Says Clarence Mitchell himself.

Remind me again how much he has personally made from it all?

Andrew wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3011777/kate-and-gerry-mccann-were-almost-scammed-out-of-25000-by-evil-karen-matthews/

MADDIE MCCON Kate and Gerry McCann were almost scammed out of £25,000 by evil Karen Matthews
Britain's most hated mum hatched a plan to get cash from Madeleine McCann fund trustees

Oh dear! And this coming after all that money they were scammed out of by the pretendy detectives they hired! Dreadful!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccanns-parents-were-nearly-9967698

(off topic but the boxing match is a cracker)

Andrew wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4282378/Karen-Matthews-tried-dupe-McCanns-25-000.html

Kate and Gerry McCann believed Matthews' 9-year-old daughter Shannon had been kidnapped and were planning to send money to the search effort in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.


I doubt that they were ever planning to send money.

'It is beyond belief anyone could've sought to exploit poor Madeleine's plight.'

Indeed Clarence....but many pigs have been feeding at the trough for many years...far more than in the Shannon case.

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Freedom wrote:It was the BBC1 programme they objected to; there were a few mentions of them in the first part, none of which could be called offensive - except perhaps to someone with a guilty conscience!

Was there an actress portraying KM in the Channel 5 programme? I did sleep through some of it and could have missed her.

I was meaning the actress who played Karen Matthews (Gemma Whelan). She didn`t do a very good job of portraying the moronishness of Karen Matthews - she didn`t get the sulky mouth movements right - and I thought they blacked up under her eyes too much.

Kate McCann was barely mentioned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, an old old story for way back in 2008, how nice for the press to recycle it again!!  Note Kate and Gerry refused help.

2008
Police probe Shannon Matthews family over Madeleine McCann fund cash con

Kate and Gerry wanted to help but others became suspicious and refused. Now the McCanns could be questioned as detectives track down who was behind it.
Yesterday their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "No money exchanged hands.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-probe-shannon-matthews-family-301806