10th anniversary interviews with Goncalo Amaral

Andrew wrote:This came out on the 1st of May, If anyone can find a translated/voice-over/subtitle version then can you post it up....

I still can't find anything

candyfloss wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Wow some things I had not heard before, but firstly it is noticeable that he still sticks to his original theory,




The 57-year-old is every bit as convinced of his thesis - that Madeleine died in a tragic accident in apartment 5a of Luz Ocean Club in Praia da Luz - as he ever was.




This bit I cannot remember ever reading....



“We had information that they (the McCanns) went to an apartment near the cemetery on many nights,” he told his interviewers. “We tried to find out which apartment it was”




What apartment near the cemetery... many nights??  Interesting is this in the files?


Thanks for posting Costello.

Sorry for requoting but anyone any links for this info about McCanns going to an apartment near the cemetery on many nights??  Anyone?

Hi Candy Floss this is what I found in the case file:

With respect to possible sightings of the father at two buildings near/next to the Luz cemetery, various apartments were available in those buildings; it could not be ascertained which, if any, apartment may have been of interest.
- With respect to the property Vila D'Arte, at which the father had been reportedly seen at some time during July, and to which the family (adults and two children) had travelled in a Citroen C3 or Renault Clio, it had been the permanent residence of persons originating from Holland and/or UK for some 4 to 5 years; the (then-)present occupants hired it through an Internet site from 24 to 29 September.
- The local informal agent for that property had always understood that only friends or family of the owners were granted access to it.

Thanks very much for hunting that out WUD.

You're welcome - there was a bit of serendipity!

What's_up_doc? wrote:Here's a bit more from further down the same letter:


With regard to the possible sighting of arguido Gerry McCann next to a pink coloured block of apartments at a site opposite the Luz cemetery, we can inform you that this an establishment called 'St James Portuguesa Lda', lots 1 and 2 being situated in the positions mentioned, from the outside the spaces corresponding to Lot 1 can be seen of a total of apartment designated as follows: 101-104, 111-114, 121-124, 105-109, 115-119, 125-129.

- In Lot 2 there are some apartments with T3 typology.

- The buildings in question have 3 pavements, whose access to the different areas is visible from the outside, as they consist of an open perimeter and there are several commercial establishments at ground level.

- In view of the number of buildings and given the scarce information provided it does not seem to us to be viable, immediately, to take measures to prove or disprove the elements provided.

Wow! Corker...

I think in the light of this it is interesting to look at some of the rogatories, particularly Matt's.

Although not directly relating to the above (although I will come to that below) I notice that Matt in his rogatory specifically states that Rachael was in the apartment near the McCanns on Tuesday evening - the night that Mrs Fenn hears crying from apartment 5A - and Matt claims that Rachael did not hear any crying that evening. Matt was also in his apartment on Sunday evening with a dodgy stomach, supposedly. And he also states that he didn't hear anything.

As I think 'something' had happened by Monday morning (making Sunday evening important) and I believe Mrs Fenn's account of the crying on Tuesday, then I think what Matt and Rachael say about these evenings is important bearing in mind that on both evenings one or other are in their apartment near the McCanns.

4078 'Okay. Right. The Tuesday evening would have been the evening that Rachael stayed in the apartment''
Reply 'Rachael was sort of, erm, became unwell the Tuesday evening, erm, and she stayed in the apartment, yeah'.

01.01.34 4078 'The reason I am specific about that is because there is a statement from somebody who says they hear children crying and I think it is the Tuesday evening, I will stand corrected if I am wrong, it was either the Tuesday or the Wednesday'.
Reply 'Yeah'.

4078 'So I must make a point of mentioning it to the other Officer to specifically ask Rachael. I am sure she will recall and say if there was anything relevant but we must ask'.
Reply 'Yeah, I think, for some reason, she's, I don't know whether that's come up before, maybe just asked her non-specifically did she hear anything, but I didn't on the Sunday night and, you know, she'd have said if, and she's never said that she heard anything'.


I think the answers are evasive and show sensitivity around these evenings which I think are both important in terms of understanding what happened that week (clue: quiz nights).

But back to the above and the area where GM was seen near apartments opposite Luz Cemetary.

This is what Matt writes about where they were searching in the late hours of that fateful Thursday evening. GM has just been picked up by the police, according to Matt's rogatory, so he is left running around with Dave:

And then, erm, after that we did more headless running around, checked on Grace, erm, you know, at times we were sort of like crossing each other, there was Dave, and running on my own, and sort of the other way, and I then went out on the coast road a bit further down, erm, I don't know what we thought we could do, but it was just better than being close to them and being there, erm, and so we ran out on that, I think this road unfortunately is called, erm, which road is it, Cemetery Road I think it's called, I seem to remember noticing it because it seemed like a horrible, I think it's this bit here'.

4078 'It covers quite a lot of area'.
Reply 'You're basically out on, I think this is Cemetery Road or one of these roads and it just takes you out down the coast and there's lots of new build sort of resorts going up'.

4078 'And all the areas that made a search, with hindsight or at the time, there was nothing that you can think of that might be relevant to''

Reply 'No, because as you went on you'd meet other groups, there was Nathan, one of the waterfront people, who managed the waterfront, who we'd met previous on a MARK WARNER holiday, so, you know, you'd sort of cross paths with people who were sort of searching and then, you know, it'd get deserted and there were dogs barking at you as you sort of wandered around, because some of the apartments were occupied and some were still being built, so there was a kind of a bit of, a sort of a lonely sort of isolated place, but, you know, it was all very sort of close, and there was nothing, you know, looking for sort of like funny parked cars or, erm, you know, anything really that seemed a bit odd'

Is there some brain-leak here, I wonder? I presume that Cemetery Road leads to the Cemetery. In the light of the information that GM was seen near apartments opposite Luz Cemetery, Matt flagging up the name of the road does tend to suggest that a Cemetery might be important to the narrative. I had always assumed this might mean that Madeleine was already dead late on Thursday evening which of course she may well have been but of course it could also refer to something that was going to happen in the future (Dr Amaral's suggestion about how Madeleine's body might have been laid to rest springs to mind here.)


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Notice how skilled the interviewer is in all this.

Firstly, he or she allows for the crying that 'someone' reported (presumably Mrs Fenn) as being on Tuesday or maybe Wednesday. The interviewer must know full well that Mrs Fenn was quite clear it was Tuesday but s/he is throwing out a little tester here. Will Matt fall for the bait and immediately interject along the lines of: 'oh but it was definitely Wednesday' (in other words the night that the McCanns report that Madeleine and Sean cried - and completely corroborating the TM version of events).

Matt however, unlike certain other member of TM when being questioned, does not immediately fall for the bait.

But he does quite soon though, in a very roundabout way: 'Yeah, I think, for some reason, she's, I don't know whether that's come up before, maybe just asked her non-specifically did she hear anything, but I didn't on the Sunday night and, you know, she'd have said if, and she's never said that she heard anything'.

Of course not saying whether you heard anything is not the same as not hearing anything.

No doubt the interviewer has taken note of how neither Matt on Sunday nor his partner on Tuesday had heard anything. Presumably he/she is now gauging how to get Matt to spill more beans, how much rope to give out and how little.  

Matt helpfully elaborates about the search (presumably because he has not been pushed into a corner and the interviewing technique is skilled) and goes on to talk about how he and David ran around 'like headless' (chickens?) and ended up on the coast road which he then goes on to call Cemetery Road.

I would take from this account that both the coast and the Cemetery are sensitive.

The interviewer then interjects nicely (vis a vis Cemetery Road) :

4078 'It covers quite a lot of area'.

Such an innocuous little comment it would seem! Nothing confrontational, almost as though the interviewer is musing to him or herself: 'What a big area you are talking about!' (Subtext; 'do please elaborate further on where exactly you went.....'

Matt, bless him, is keen to oblige and falls into the bear-pit that has been so subtly placed:

...' it just takes you out down the coast and there's lots of new build sort of resorts going up'.


The comment above would suggest that 'new build' is important - perhaps a newly built apartment that was empty or half-finished is important to the narrative? Clearly, there would be few inquisitive neighbours around in this particular situation?

The interviewer interjects again at this point, again I would suggest skillfully as Matt has given much away but the interviewer pretends he has said nothing of relevance, which is clearly not the case. Obligingly, Matt provides further information:

4078 'And all the areas that made a search, with hindsight or at the time, there was nothing that you can think of that might be relevant to''

Reply 'No, because as you went on you'd meet other groups, there was Nathan, one of the waterfront people, who managed the waterfront, who we'd met previous on a MARK WARNER holiday, so, you know, you'd sort of cross paths with people who were sort of searching and then, you know, it'd get deserted and there were dogs barking at you as you sort of wandered around, because some of the apartments were occupied and some were still being built, so there was a kind of a bit of, a sort of a lonely sort of isolated place, but, you know, it was all very sort of close, and there was nothing, you know, looking for sort of like funny parked cars or, erm, you know, anything really that seemed a bit odd'

So a place where some apartments were occupied and some weren't is important to the narrative. Presumably an unoccupied apartment would be more useful, if Dr Amaral's theory is right. A 'lonely sort of isolate place' but 'very sort of close'.

I guess that narrows things down in terms of locations that were important that evening?

Possibly an apartment opposite or near the Cemetery?

Pat Brown is interesting in terms of where a body might have been hidden in the early stages:

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-on.html

Notice how in the interview GM uses the phrase: 'fake news'. What strikes me spececifically about this interview is how much the pair shake their heads as they speak. Their bodies are speaking volumes - I think there is desperation in their eyes - particularly Kate. GM thinks he is still fooling people but judging by the amount of head shaking they do I would say they both realise that the game is pretty much up. No-one believes them anymore which is true if you read the comments in the press.

I wonder if the 'checking' story was partly a cover for having a reason for people leaving the table during the evening? If Dr Amaral is right and Madeleine died that week then there would have been a lot of comings and goings and there would need to be an excuse as to why people were always leaving the table.