Coronavirus - and all manner of weird things evolving from it

Antonia wrote:Spent a pleasant afternoon in my garden yesterday with a 66 year old friend who had the virus and is not dead.  he thinks he caught it in the gym. The worst was feeling very achy in his neck and shoulders like a bad flu. he had a minor cough too. very well now and wants to return to the gym but all gyms closed!

I have heard personally of one death in a middle-aged person allegedly from coronavirus in my wider community.  That's the only one I have heard of in a person under 80 years old. I don't know if she had any underlying conditions, diagnosed or otherwise. It would be interesting to see what treatment she was given. I think she was at Middlesex hospital.

Unfortunately, one leading cause of death is medical mistakes and sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

We are hearing nothing about other causes of death so it is very difficult to get a clear picture of what is really going on.

The Californian doctors are right at the coal-face of dealing with the disease and have expertise in microbiology. Why are their views being censored?

I personally feel so opposed to this 'lock-down'. It's a complete violation of our rights.  I've seen people walking around in woods and parks wearing masks. I think that's totally ridiculous. Yes - I can understand maybe wearing a mask on public transport but walking in the woods with no-one near you? That's just bonkers.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2162084/Video-California-doctors-urge-end-coronavirus-shutdowns-call-disruptive.html

'What can we do to get the country back on track......people are suffering.......the collateral damage......is causing pain.......is more significant than the disease'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9lZmE1fO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0VRtY9oTs

poster wrote:

Antonia wrote:Spent a pleasant afternoon in my garden yesterday with a 66 year old friend who had the virus and is not dead.  he thinks he caught it in the gym. The worst was feeling very achy in his neck and shoulders like a bad flu. he had a minor cough too. very well now and wants to return to the gym but all gyms closed!

I have heard personally of one death in a middle-aged person allegedly from coronavirus in my wider community.  That's the only one I have heard of in a person under 80 years old. I don't know if she had any underlying conditions, diagnosed or otherwise. It would be interesting to see what treatment she was given. I think she was at Middlesex hospital.

Unfortunately, one leading cause of death is medical mistakes and sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

We are hearing nothing about other causes of death so it is very difficult to get a clear picture of what is really going on.

The Californian doctors are right at the coal-face of dealing with the disease and have expertise in microbiology. Why are their views being censored?

I personally feel so opposed to this 'lock-down'. It's a complete violation of our rights.  I've seen people walking around in woods and parks wearing masks. I think that's totally ridiculous. Yes - I can understand maybe wearing a mask on public transport but walking in the woods with no-one near you? That's just bonkers.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2162084/Video-California-doctors-urge-end-coronavirus-shutdowns-call-disruptive.html

Right at the start of lockdown cases were doubling every three to four days,can't say I've heard that because of the lockdown they are reducing by doubling down every three to four days.

Right at the start of lockdown cases were doubling every three to four days,can't say I've heard that because of the lockdown they are reducing by doubling down every three to four days.

No - because this virus is just one illness that is going on out of many, many illnesses and diseases. All non-emergency procedures have been postponed. What will be the knock-on effect of this? What about the tests that might have been carried out during this time but haven't? How many missed early cancers, heart disease etc? How much disease will arise from the above? People who would have sought medical advice might not because of fear of going to the doctors, or because of not wanting to overburdon the NHS.

On top of that, how much illness will lock-down cause? Stress, worry, uncertainty, staying indoors, loneliness, disruption to routine etc will all have a knock-on effect on physical and mental health. Many people rely on routines.

There will be a tsunami of other illnesses and diseases after this, imo, both mental and physical. And none of the underlying reasons for ill health have been focused on such as poor diet, obesity, lack of exercise, loneliness, stress, other environmental factors.  Poverty is associated with poorer health. Many people are living in crowded conditions and now everyone is supposed to be staying at home that will lead to extra stress.  Going to school is for many children an opportunity for advancement. Children are being denied this with lock-down.

None of these factors have been taken openly discussed by our health authorities in all this including the need to get outside in order to get natural sources of vitamin D from sunshine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0VRtY9oTs&t=537s


The two doctors give a follow-up interview, looking considerably less chilled than in the previous one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0VRtY9oTs&t=537s


ETA: It has cost everyone so much time, money effort, stress etc to follow the guidelines. Businesses having to put into place 'social distancing' measures and all the other changes people and businesses have had to make. IF the advice given is not the most appropriate advice then the knock-on effect could actually be HIGHER death rates from all the suffering caused by the scaremongering and lock-down.

IMO!

Sweden may have higher death rates in the short term but I feel sure that their death rate in the longer term will be lower.  There is a school of thought that if the body naturally fights off a disease the immune system is allowed to do its job which boosts natural good health.

Countries that have locked down will, imo, have a tsunami of mental and physical illnesses  following in the wake of lock-down. Not to mention a devastated economy with all of the associated negative consequences.

ETA: I hear from one of my young relatives living in one of the most crowded boroughs in London that 'crowd movers' in high viz jackets are being employed (or could they be volunteers?) to move people along from benches, parks etc. Many, many of the inhabitants of this and other boroughs in London will live in flats with no access to outdoor space. What are they supposed to do all day with small children who are being denied their normal routines and socialisation such as playgroups, nursery school, playgrounds and other environments designed to stimulate and enrich their lives?

Similarly, the elderly are being urged to stay at home thus depriving this vulnerable group of desperately needed social contact including contact with their own families. This is inhumane, degrading and frankly an abomination.

One of my elderly relative's carer is taking a break for the first time since lock-down. He hasn't seen his own family for all that time or had a single day off. Thankfully he has family members who can step in to help. Not everyone is so fortunate.

IMO this whole fiasco will lead to greater ill-health, greater poverty, greater long-term unemployment. And meanwhile we have a handful of billionaires like Bill Gates who can be seen quite literally grinning broadly and rubbing with hands with glee while proclaiming that: "The final solution........will be the vaccine."

What a train crash in slow motion. When are the sheeple going to wake up?

IMO!


https://twitter.com/EM_KA_17/status/1255497261095813120

Meanwhile, as we watch various Dr Deaths on our TV screens each evening, our hospitals are emptying out because people are too scared to go to the doctors and too worried about 'saving the NHS'. So while we are all obsessing over each and every death which may or may not be from coronavirus, what else has been forgotten?

The scandal of the Madeleine McCann case.
Several appalling miscarriages of justice.
Child abuse.
Billionaires who pay no tax in any country.
And so on.

What a perfect distraction? A new 'killer' virus. You've got to hand it to Gates and his henchmen. He knows a thing or two about patents, opening up markets and nailing supply chains.

IMO.

Oh - I just got a text from my GP surgery! Apparently they are open on Bank Holiday Monday!!!! Oh, the irony of it all. Can't sit in the park, meet friends, visit family, go to the seaside, go to the cinema, go to a restaurant, sit on a bench. BUT I CAN GO TO MY GP SURGERY!!!! It will give the GPs something to do while we all hide inside our houses I suppose.

One of the polls I saw in the news today (which I don't ever trust) stated that 10% of people would not be happy sending their children back to school until a vaccine came out.

This reeks of 'testing' out the waters. How are the 'sheeple' reacting to this situation? How many have bought the 'we need a vaccine to save the world' propaganda.

This is all so insidious. The ideas are planted in people's heads then the MMM 'tests' the waters to see how the sheeple have complied.

Thank goodness for Sweden. We have a 'control' population to compare with. I'm proud to be Scandinavian. We always were very level-headed!

Well, I'm sure that we all understand perfectly the lock-down changes in the U K. Not!

What a load of *****. If I was in the habit of visiting people locally in their homes, I'd still be doing it. We're definitely being taken for fools now.

I shall be off this afternoon to stock up on treats for my rabbits. Life in the fast lane for me as ever.

Freedom wrote:Well, I'm sure that we all understand perfectly the lock-down changes in the U K. Not!

What a load of *****. If I was in the habit of visiting people locally in their homes, I'd still be doing it. We're definitely being taken for fools now.

I shall be off this afternoon to stock up on treats for my rabbits. Life in the fast lane for me as ever.

It's all a complete scam in my opinion. Other illnesses, diseases and conditions have been wrongly labelled coronavirus. Deaths are being wrongly attributed to coronavirus and doctors are being pressurised to suspect it for symptoms which are similar to flu. How do they know it isn't a strain of flu? Flu jabs are widely considered to be not very successful so who is to say a vaccine for coronavirus will be any better?

Shopping now is a ridiculous experience. In fact everything is ridiculous. I can't even listen to the news. Boris was just spouting off about face-masks.

What a total farce. Gates must be positively squirming with delight and rubbing his hands over all the extra billions he's going to make to control the world save lives.

This has to be a major turning point in world history. Not because the virus is particularly dangerous - quite the contrary - but because the 'pandemic' that Gates has long dreamed of warned about is being used so effectively as a weapon of control. And globally.

ETA: I really wanted to believe it was true, or at least partly true, not because I wanted a pandemic but because I want to trust the people in power and control of populations. I find it profoundly depressing to not trust world leaders and those like Gates who control them.

But, as with the Madeleine McCann case, the emperor simply has no clothes.

Poster, you have made some thought provoking posts on the present situation. I wish you hadn't as they have made me more depressed.

By the way, I don't join in the clapping for NHS staff because what we need is better treated, better paid NHS staff and more of them rather than clapping, and secondly Dr Gerry McCann is NHS staff! Not sure what Dr Kate does these days - wouldn't you think that she'd try to improve her image by returning to the frontline, and asking people to watch her home while she is in the hospital saving lives to ensure nobody kidnaps one of both the twins......

I went to my local pharmacy last week and was served by someone clad in an outfit resembling that of a NASA astronaut.

However, the chief pharmacist was completely normally clad - no masks, gloves etc. I rather think he knows there's no risk.

Antonia wrote:Poster, you have made some thought provoking posts on the present situation. I wish you hadn't as they have made me more depressed.

By the way, I don't join in the clapping for NHS staff because what we need is better treated, better paid NHS staff and more of them rather than clapping, and secondly Dr Gerry McCann is NHS staff!  Not sure what Dr Kate does these days - wouldn't you think that she'd try to improve her image by returning to the frontline, and asking people to watch her home while she is in the hospital saving lives to ensure nobody kidnaps one of both the twins......

Sorry, that was not my intention. I've just come back from buying an essential item - a bottle of wine. I would say that as each week rolls by people look more and more down. The mood is palpable, imo. I presume this is part of the 'psych-op' part of the plandemic but what a h***f***.

Every day just seems more and more bizarre. I must say I have got to the stage where I go about my way and if people want to social distance then they have to do so from me. I couldn't care less if they don't. I'm not going to be creeping about with an face-mask looking like an extra in a film about The Plague and praying for Gate's vaccine. The virus will have died out/lost its virulence/mutated by then in any case so it won't make any difference and risks causing more harm than good.

I find that as each day goes by I just care less about anything. I don't think human beings are designed psychologically to behave like this. It feels wrong because it is wrong, imo.

Apparently this is Bill Gate's 'worst nightmare' - then why does he look like his dearest dreams have just come true? Literally smirking, grinning, smiling in practically every interview. If it were not for the fact that he has quite literally 'bought' the scientists with his grants then why would anyone give a damn what his worst nightmare was? I would imagine his worst nightmare would be losing all his billions his life to coronavirus before a vaccine comes out, wouldn't it?

What a nerve to talk about this being his 'worst nightmare' when he is so cushioned by money unlike most people and when he knows that what he does and says has such a profound effect on health police - quite wrongly, imo.

Barely concealing his glee in this photo:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-24/bill-gates-says-worst-nightmare-has-come-true-with-pandemic/

Freedom wrote:I went to my local pharmacy last week and was served by someone clad in an outfit resembling that of a NASA astronaut.

However, the chief pharmacist was completely normally clad - no masks, gloves etc. I rather think he knows there's no risk.

I think *they* are having a larf.....it's true that those who you think should be taking the most precautions are not.

There was a clip on the news a few weeks back showing healthcare auxiliaries going in to help care for an elderly bed-bound lady.  Her regular care workers had refused because they didn't have the right protection, allegedly. Two women dressed like workers at the Wuhan virus labs, barely able to walk for all the gear, arrived in her bedroom as though she had the Bubonic Plague. The poor woman looked so confused.

I think I might go out and buy a full-on 'pandemic' costume. The full works. Gas-mask, Wuhan-lab style clothes etc. And just go about my 'essential shopping' and 'essential exercise' (which might be tricky with the mask and exercise!) and see the reactions. Have you noticed how you can't hear what someone is saying  very well when they speak through a mask (as well as not being able to see their facial expressions)?  Another way of getting people to avoid contact.  We are allowed unlimited exercise it would seem!! Yeah! I wonder what it's like with a face mask on? Can you breathe? Perhaps this will be the next pandemic?

I think there is this  idea that this plandemic might behave like Spanish flu, which happened after the word had been decimated by war. That was also at a time when healthcare systems were far less developed, there were no antibiotics and huge poverty.

This is interesting, though:

Scientists also worked to replicate the 1918 flu virus, beginning in 2005, to evaluate the virus' pathogenicity, or its ability to cause disease and harm a host. The work, led by Terrence Tumpey, PhD, a microbiologist and chief of the Immunology and Pathogenesis Branch (IPB) of the CDC's Influenza Division, showed that the 1918 influenza virus was a "uniquely deadly product of nature, evolution and the intermingling of people and animals," per the CDC, and may help with future possible pandemics.


https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/

In March, Mr Gates announced he would be stepping back from the board of Microsoft to focus on philanthropy.

Timing is everything, so they say.

The 'philanthropy' label is a nice touch. Rather like an invisibility cloak - now, who else has used those in order to pursue an agenda that was not as altruistic as it seemed?

Ummmmm... let me think?

A few priests - if not the entire catholic church? What a brilliant idea confession was? The priests gets to know everyone's secrets? (Ah  - who hid under that invisibility cloak I wonder?)

And many others not to mention the medical cartel when in the wrong hands and not properly challenged.


Has anyone ever properly challenged Bill Gates' 'philanthropy'? Perhaps now is the time to do so.

ETA: The war is not against the virus, as Gates very well knows. It's so interesting that there are so many 'smaller players' in this whole scene but they pale into insignificance against the 'billionaire philanthropists'.

(What else do you do with your money to avoid paying tax/death duties?)

Is there any merit in being the richest man in the cemetery?

IMO!!

poster wrote:

Antonia wrote:Poster, you have made some thought provoking posts on the present situation. I wish you hadn't as they have made me more depressed.

By the way, I don't join in the clapping for NHS staff because what we need is better treated, better paid NHS staff and more of them rather than clapping, and secondly Dr Gerry McCann is NHS staff!  Not sure what Dr Kate does these days - wouldn't you think that she'd try to improve her image by returning to the frontline, and asking people to watch her home while she is in the hospital saving lives to ensure nobody kidnaps one of both the twins......

Sorry, that was not my intention. I've just come back from buying an essential item - a bottle of wine. I would say that as each week rolls by people look more and more down. The mood is palpable, imo. I presume this is part of the 'psych-op' part of the plandemic but what a h***f***.

Every day just seems more and more bizarre. I must say I have got to the stage where I go about my way and if people want to social distance then they have to do so from me. I couldn't care less if they don't. I'm not going to be creeping about with an face-mask looking like an extra in a film about The Plague and praying for Gate's vaccine. The virus will have died out/lost its virulence/mutated by then in any case so it won't make any difference and risks causing more harm than good.

I find that as each day goes by I just care less about anything. I don't think human beings are designed psychologically to behave like this. It feels wrong because it is wrong, imo.

Apparently this is Bill Gate's 'worst nightmare' - then why does he look like his dearest dreams have just come true? Literally smirking, grinning, smiling in practically every interview. If it were not for the fact that he has quite literally 'bought' the scientists with his grants then why would anyone give a damn what his worst nightmare was? I would imagine his worst nightmare would be losing all his billions his life to coronavirus before a vaccine comes out, wouldn't it?

What a nerve to talk about this being his 'worst nightmare' when he is so cushioned by money unlike most people and when he knows that what he does and says has such a profound effect on health police - quite wrongly, imo.

Barely concealing his glee in this photo:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-24/bill-gates-says-worst-nightmare-has-come-true-with-pandemic/

Excellent stuff, Poster.

A point I saw elsewhere regarding Ferguson's illicit meetings with his married lover - if he genuinely believed that behind every human interaction lay the risk of a potentially fatal infection, he wouldn't behave in that fashion.

 

Just one of several videos of NHS staff dancing in the corridors - they're certainly not at the end of their tether trying to cope with what's happening.

Dancing and maybe singing the song along with  your colleagues is a nice and healthy way to reduce stress.  Far better than going home and opening the whisky bottle.

Freedom - what are the stresses in your life and how do you deal with them? Obviously dancing is not one of your stress relievers.

I kind of agree with you Antonia.

Antonia wrote:
 Far better than going home and opening the whisky bottle.

Whoa, there. Let's not be too hasty!

Actually the whisky ran out weeks ago. I'm reduced to drinking vodka - vodka! - now.

I was really trying to illustrate that few were wearing masks, they weren't practising the social distancing malarkey; life appears to be the same as usual and that is not what we're being told by the media.

All our shopping is online. We, hubby and I haven't been out for weeks. I receive the order wearing a mask, gloves and an old fashioned pinafore that was my mums. It must be 60 years old. I take receipt of the order and carry every bag from the front garden through to the kitchen where they are stood on sheets of paper. I have multiple health problems but I insist to do it all myself as hubby would slip up with the routine.

Every item is wiped down with an antibacterial cloth and placed on the worktops. The bags are disposed of into a black bin liner and put into the dustbin. I then go into the bathroom and strip off, put mask, I made them, the pinafore and the rest of my clothes into an old pillow case. I then shower, wash my hair, gargle and then dry before donning clean clothes.

Through to the kitchen again and the clothes straight into the washer for a was with biological powder.

All the shopping is then put away and the tops wiped down with antibac spray. It has become a weekly routine now so knowing the time of the delivery I can be ready with everything to hand.

Not 100% risk free but as much as I can make it and will continue to do so as long as the death tolls are so high.

Freedom wrote:I was really trying to illustrate that few were wearing masks, they weren't practising the social distancing malarkey; life appears to be the same as usual and that is not what we're being told by the media.

Hospitals are quite empty. They have been for weeks if not months. Or at least they have been since 'lock-down'.

The 'second wave' is a load of codswallop, imo. The third wave even more so.

It's a 'psych-op', imo. I actually think it's very cruel and is indicative of a profound disrespect towards people as individuals.

I don't trust the 'agenda' of 'saving lives'  - I think there are other agendas and this has long been in the making. Partly Gates et al pulling the strings with his beyond-ridiculous acolytes ('the scientists') who are as thick as two short planks, imo, but are being paid to play the tune.

I wish I could say something positive about Boris but I can't.

The Emperor has no clothes.

IMO stupid.....

ETA: Oh, I forgot  - the Madeleine McCann alleged abduction was incredibly stupid - the parents tried to make it a global campaign although there is absolutely zero indication that the crime scene went much beyond Ocean Club, Luz, despite what Madeleine's parents claimed, with zero evidence.

A point I saw elsewhere regarding Ferguson's illicit meetings with his married lover - if he genuinely believed that behind every human interaction lay the risk of a potentially fatal infection, he wouldn't behave in that fashion.

Agreed.

IMO the scientists are in receipt of huge bribes grants and funding from Gates and will play the tune that the piper wants.

I too, at the beginning, took great precautions. Copious amounts of hand-wash etc. Observing social distancing rigidly.  I am sure that if I was older with health conditions I would be ultra-careful, just because. But I'm not really believing it all. It's great that the NHS staff are singing and dancing etc but this doesn't seem to fit in with the message that our healthcare workers are working 24/7, stressed and it's all a nightmare. The evidence is not there to support that.

I've never seen/heard so few ambulances going along the main road near where I live which lies between several large A+E hospitals. When I have passed Kingston Hospital there are fleets of ambulances parked with bored-looking staff.

So what exactly is going on?

Of-course deaths will continue because people die every day, unfortunately. I'm not sure that at present they are any higher than the usual number. And if they are, I would say that would be more to do with lock-down knock-on effects that the virus which will by  now be losing its virulence and on the wane, especially as summer arrives.  Viruses burn out eventually - it's just what they do.  It is often at around this point that a vaccine arrives. After the horse has bolted. I see no reason to see that this will be any different.

ETA: And no-one is going to convince me that the 'experts' proclamations a month or so ago that we wouldn't return to normal until a vaccine arrived didn't have Bill Gates' grubby paws all over them. And having stated that, our 'experts' were utterly useless, imo, in controlling the early and most virulent stage of the virus. No tests at airports, no quarantine, no tests for health workers.

Utterly shambolic, imo, and I think that is a direct result of our health authorities allowing themselves to be  heavily interference by Gates and his henchmen who only look at a tiny part of a much bigger picture.   We now have the absurd situation whereby people walking in woods and parks give each other a wide berth while those who have to go back to work are using public transport and simply can't effectively social distance.  It's all bonkers, imo, and I think it - the virus scandemic/plandemic - will disappear as quickly as it arrived when the time is politically right.

Meanwhile, what has really been going on? It's been the most incredible distraction and leaves entire economies in shreds. What will be the knock-on effect of all this on second and third world countries? I think that's where Gate's 'agenda' should be scrutinised.