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Re: SY- Robert Murat -Special Interst.
costello Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:05 pm
Mimi wrote:costello wrote:Mimi wrote:Well at least he`s got more hair than Tony Bennett.
Mimi, I'm wondering if you might have a slight crush on him.
Well - he`s not that bad ... surely. Mind you I always did go for the `unusual` looking fellas !
Your secrets out now, go for it, especially now he's single. This is good fun.
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Mimi Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:07 pm
costello wrote:Mimi wrote:costello wrote:Mimi wrote:Well at least he`s got more hair than Tony Bennett.
Mimi, I'm wondering if you might have a slight crush on him.
Well - he`s not that bad ... surely. Mind you I always did go for the `unusual` looking fellas !
Your secrets out now, go for it, especially now he's single. This is good fun.
Nah ... I`m done with relationships - except with my little dog !
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
Mimi Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:11 pm
caricature wrote:Back to topic
Such a cartoon character isn`t he - no wonder people take the p*** out of him.
Anyway that clip just reinforces to me that he did know RM.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
dogs don't lie Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:34 pm
Seen this via Twitter, the notice was from JMs stall thingy she set up. Not sure what to make off it.
She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence.
That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May.
This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk. The deponent found this strange, given what had occurred between her and this woman on the 4th of May.
Eta statement from a journalists Maria P something sorry.
She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence.
That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May.
This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk. The deponent found this strange, given what had occurred between her and this woman on the 4th of May.
Eta statement from a journalists Maria P something sorry.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:43 pm
Just read that myself,Textusa done a piece about Carpenter who was with the reporter.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
dogs don't lie Wed 08 Apr 2015, 6:54 pm
Would there have been sirens from police on arrival? Could JM have meant blue lights flashing? Or genuinely been mistaken? If none of those, would she be bold enough to put the wrong date on show for everyone to see? Just questions though, proberly nothing.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 7:06 pm
No one heard the sirens apart from the Murats I don't think.
A bit more from Tex.
A bit more from Tex.
Textusa wrote:Another thing, could it be Carpenter who was the 50 yr old man who lured Cecília Pires into trespassing a villa so that Jenny Murat could get her siren story out to an independent witness?
“In her walk she approached a scrubland which is located to the north and a few metres from the resort, when at this time a man approached, about 50 years old, who addressed the deponent in English, asking her if she was involved in the searches for the missing child.
The deponent told him no, although having affirmed that she was also looking, partly to appease her conscience.
In this context the man proposed to the deponent that he and she went to an villa, apparently uninhabited, but not abandoned, with the intention of looking for the child and so that it wouldn’t be only one person trespassing.
After they entered the parking area of the residence, where they called out to confirm if there was anyone there, they saw that, on the outside, a woman approached, appearing to be elderly, with about 70 years, about 1,5 or 1,6 metres tall, greying hair pinned back in a "banana" style, so the man mentioned before took the initiative to approach the lady inviting her to enter the residence together with him and the deponent with the intention of locating the missing child, to which the lady agreed.”
Unfortunately for Jenny Murat she said “being it then that she realised of the disappearance of a girl from the "Ocean Club"” instead of saying what she should have said: “but only this morning did she realise those sirens were about the disappearance of the girl from the "Ocean Club"”
Sometimes when actors don't remember their lines correctly.they change the plot completely.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
chirpyinsect Wed 08 Apr 2015, 7:57 pm
Do the GNR even have sirens? They are soldiers not police. What time did JM say she heard sirens? Did she mean the PJ?dogs don't lie wrote:Would there have been sirens from police on arrival? Could JM have meant blue lights flashing? Or genuinely been mistaken? If none of those, would she be bold enough to put the wrong date on show for everyone to see? Just questions though, proberly nothing.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
candyfloss Wed 08 Apr 2015, 8:22 pm
chirpyinsect wrote:Do the GNR even have sirens? They are soldiers not police. What time did JM say she heard sirens? Did she mean the PJ?dogs don't lie wrote:Would there have been sirens from police on arrival? Could JM have meant blue lights flashing? Or genuinely been mistaken? If none of those, would she be bold enough to put the wrong date on show for everyone to see? Just questions though, proberly nothing.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
chirpyinsect Wed 08 Apr 2015, 8:27 pm
Thanks CF. I wasn't sure. Just read JM's statement and it could have been anytime from 19.50 to midnight when she went to bed so not any help anyway.candyfloss wrote:chirpyinsect wrote:Do the GNR even have sirens? They are soldiers not police. What time did JM say she heard sirens? Did she mean the PJ?dogs don't lie wrote:Would there have been sirens from police on arrival? Could JM have meant blue lights flashing? Or genuinely been mistaken? If none of those, would she be bold enough to put the wrong date on show for everyone to see? Just questions though, proberly nothing.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
Mimi Wed 08 Apr 2015, 8:44 pm
Witness Statement of Maria Cecilia Pereira Pires
Processos VI
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Witness Statement of Maria Cecilia Pereira PiresDate: 2007.05.23
Profession: Journalist for Portugal Resident
She has been a journalist for about 16 years, but has worked for the above-referenced paper for about one month.
Questioned, responds that on the 4th of May, 2007, she was asked to go to Praia da Luz, Lagos, in order to cover the case of a missing child.
She clarifies that she was informed that the disappearance of the child occurred in the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort, and that the family/child’s family surname was McCann.
She responds that when she arrived at Praia da Luz around 09H30/10H00, and as she headed to the GNR post where she gathered some information, she then headed next to a group of journalists where she learnt further case details.
Because so little time had passed since the disappearance, she took the decision to walk around the area of the resort.
She adds that this decision was also made due to the information that the child may have left the apartment of her own accord, and may still be in the immediate area.
During her walk, she came across a bare patch of land, situated north, a few meters from the resort. She met a male individual, about 50 years in age, who approached her and asked if she was involved in the [read organized?] search for the missing child.
The deponent told him that she was not, even though she confirmed that she was looking, in order to calm her conscience a bit.
In this context, the individual proposed that both of them head towards a house, apparently unlived in, but not abandoned, with the intent of looking for the child, and so it would not appear like trespassing.
After entering the parking area of the residence, where they called out to see if anyone was home, they verified that a woman was inside.
This was a woman of advanced age, around 70 years old, 1,5 to 1,6 metres in height, with grey hair combed and coiffed in the shape of a “banana”.
The individual with the deponent asked this older woman to help them search for this child.
This older woman agreed.
She clarifies that the individual headed toward the pool zone and the deponent, accompanied by the older woman, lagged behind as the older woman walked slowly.
During this time, the older woman exclaimed to the deponent that she was bothered with the entire situation of the disappearance and further commented that the parents had to be going through great anguish.
The above conversation occurred in English, with the older woman indicating that she lived about 100 metres from the resort, and that the night prior she noticed the arrival of the police due to their sirens. This was around 22H00.
The woman in question told her that she had been having dinner with her son when she heard the sirens, and assumes that it was at this time that the disappearance was noted.
She clarifies that the older woman did not speak about a ‘child or a boy child’ and specifically mentioned “a girl child”. The deponent did not find this strange because by that time, May 4th, everyone knew it was a girl child that had gone missing.
The woman above also indicated that her son was working with the police in trying to locate the child.
She adds that after searching the area around the residence where they found nothing, (the same can be said for the pool neat the house), they were stopped by a neighbor.
From what she could make out, he was German but asked them in English what was going on, and then after responded that the Police had been searching the area with dogs.
During the conversation with the older woman, the deponent was introduced to this individual. The deponent confirmed that she was a journalist. The other individual told them that he was searching for the child. The deponent then left the area and the other individuals staying behind.
This situation appeared to her very normal.
She responds that during her work, she came to know the son of the older woman.
The journalists referred to him as Robert Murat. He was someone who was involved with the journalists and police with much freedom. He spoke both English and Portuguese.
She states that on the 5th of May, the British journalists affirmed that Robert Murat was one of the suspects in the missing child case.
He appeared very much surprised at this and confirmed that he was going to back-off so that he would not be the subject of such comments. Following this point, it was very difficult to contact him.
She clarifies that when she saw the pictures at the information kiosk operated by Robert’s mother, she was certain that his mother was the same one she had met on the 4th.
She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence.
That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May.
This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk. The deponent found this strange, given what had occurred between her and this woman on the 4th of May.
She affirms that she became aware of the name of the older woman from newspapers.
On the day she initially met her (the 4th of May) this older woman did not identify herself.
She adds that she has many times pondered this situation but always thought it was of no significance.
Only today and when she saw what was written did she decide to communicate the fact. She knows with absolute certainty that this older woman was aware of the disappearance given what this older woman had stated to her the morning of May 4th.
Because she is asked, the deponent responds that she bears no grudge against these individuals who she has never seen before.
She is certain that this appears an attempt to construct an alibi.
There is incongruence between what the older women is stating regarding the 4th and what can be read in the newspapers of today (23 of May, 2007).
She felt it her obligation to communicate these facts to the authorities.
And nothing more was said.
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COMMENT: Once again the 'talk' of hearing sirens...Martin Brunt spent a great deal of time asking people in the village if they had heard sirens that night ,for some reason it seemed important to him to establish this fact. NO ONE heard sirens...or certainly no one he spoke to...AND once again Mrs . Murat speaks of sirens as' proof' she was at home with her son...
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/witness-statement-of-maria-cecilia.html
Processos VI
1581 to 1584
Witness Statement of Maria Cecilia Pereira PiresDate: 2007.05.23
Profession: Journalist for Portugal Resident
She has been a journalist for about 16 years, but has worked for the above-referenced paper for about one month.
Questioned, responds that on the 4th of May, 2007, she was asked to go to Praia da Luz, Lagos, in order to cover the case of a missing child.
She clarifies that she was informed that the disappearance of the child occurred in the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort, and that the family/child’s family surname was McCann.
She responds that when she arrived at Praia da Luz around 09H30/10H00, and as she headed to the GNR post where she gathered some information, she then headed next to a group of journalists where she learnt further case details.
Because so little time had passed since the disappearance, she took the decision to walk around the area of the resort.
She adds that this decision was also made due to the information that the child may have left the apartment of her own accord, and may still be in the immediate area.
During her walk, she came across a bare patch of land, situated north, a few meters from the resort. She met a male individual, about 50 years in age, who approached her and asked if she was involved in the [read organized?] search for the missing child.
The deponent told him that she was not, even though she confirmed that she was looking, in order to calm her conscience a bit.
In this context, the individual proposed that both of them head towards a house, apparently unlived in, but not abandoned, with the intent of looking for the child, and so it would not appear like trespassing.
After entering the parking area of the residence, where they called out to see if anyone was home, they verified that a woman was inside.
This was a woman of advanced age, around 70 years old, 1,5 to 1,6 metres in height, with grey hair combed and coiffed in the shape of a “banana”.
The individual with the deponent asked this older woman to help them search for this child.
This older woman agreed.
She clarifies that the individual headed toward the pool zone and the deponent, accompanied by the older woman, lagged behind as the older woman walked slowly.
During this time, the older woman exclaimed to the deponent that she was bothered with the entire situation of the disappearance and further commented that the parents had to be going through great anguish.
The above conversation occurred in English, with the older woman indicating that she lived about 100 metres from the resort, and that the night prior she noticed the arrival of the police due to their sirens. This was around 22H00.
The woman in question told her that she had been having dinner with her son when she heard the sirens, and assumes that it was at this time that the disappearance was noted.
She clarifies that the older woman did not speak about a ‘child or a boy child’ and specifically mentioned “a girl child”. The deponent did not find this strange because by that time, May 4th, everyone knew it was a girl child that had gone missing.
The woman above also indicated that her son was working with the police in trying to locate the child.
She adds that after searching the area around the residence where they found nothing, (the same can be said for the pool neat the house), they were stopped by a neighbor.
From what she could make out, he was German but asked them in English what was going on, and then after responded that the Police had been searching the area with dogs.
During the conversation with the older woman, the deponent was introduced to this individual. The deponent confirmed that she was a journalist. The other individual told them that he was searching for the child. The deponent then left the area and the other individuals staying behind.
This situation appeared to her very normal.
She responds that during her work, she came to know the son of the older woman.
The journalists referred to him as Robert Murat. He was someone who was involved with the journalists and police with much freedom. He spoke both English and Portuguese.
She states that on the 5th of May, the British journalists affirmed that Robert Murat was one of the suspects in the missing child case.
He appeared very much surprised at this and confirmed that he was going to back-off so that he would not be the subject of such comments. Following this point, it was very difficult to contact him.
She clarifies that when she saw the pictures at the information kiosk operated by Robert’s mother, she was certain that his mother was the same one she had met on the 4th.
She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence.
That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May.
This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk. The deponent found this strange, given what had occurred between her and this woman on the 4th of May.
She affirms that she became aware of the name of the older woman from newspapers.
On the day she initially met her (the 4th of May) this older woman did not identify herself.
She adds that she has many times pondered this situation but always thought it was of no significance.
Only today and when she saw what was written did she decide to communicate the fact. She knows with absolute certainty that this older woman was aware of the disappearance given what this older woman had stated to her the morning of May 4th.
Because she is asked, the deponent responds that she bears no grudge against these individuals who she has never seen before.
She is certain that this appears an attempt to construct an alibi.
There is incongruence between what the older women is stating regarding the 4th and what can be read in the newspapers of today (23 of May, 2007).
She felt it her obligation to communicate these facts to the authorities.
And nothing more was said.
Reads, ratifies and signs.
COMMENT: Once again the 'talk' of hearing sirens...Martin Brunt spent a great deal of time asking people in the village if they had heard sirens that night ,for some reason it seemed important to him to establish this fact. NO ONE heard sirens...or certainly no one he spoke to...AND once again Mrs . Murat speaks of sirens as' proof' she was at home with her son...
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/witness-statement-of-maria-cecilia.html
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
dogs don't lie Wed 08 Apr 2015, 8:52 pm
Cheers Mimi, would've been easier for me to do that, doh!
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat
Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 9:25 pm
That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May.
Is this lost in translation,didn't she say she heard from her daughter via a phonecall at about this time.
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Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 9:29 pm
From the McCann pj files.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
Concerning the events, the deponent has to clarify that she knew [found out] about the disappearance of the English child called Madeleine on 4 May, Friday, that is the day following it happened.
--- She says further that it was her daughter, Samantha, residing in England in the city of Exeter, who telephoned her to give her the news because by the morning our news was already running in the press of that country.
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chirpyinsect Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:09 pm
caricature wrote:From the McCann pj files.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htmConcerning the events, the deponent has to clarify that she knew [found out] about the disappearance of the English child called Madeleine on 4 May, Friday, that is the day following it happened.
--- She says further that it was her daughter, Samantha, residing in England in the city of Exeter, who telephoned her to give her the news because by the morning our news was already running in the press of that country.
There is no mention of getting a phone call at 7am from her daughter which is just as well because the news didn`t break on GMTV( which was the first to air info on the case) till just after 8am according to Kate Gerraway on the Madeleine McCann A global obsession documentary.
from about 3 mins in.
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Guest Thu 09 Apr 2015, 7:57 am
The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
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chirpyinsect Thu 09 Apr 2015, 8:08 am
I am able to view it in Cyprus. Not using a VPN. Are you in UK?caricature wrote:The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
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Re:SY-Robert Murat-Special Interest.
costello Thu 09 Apr 2015, 8:13 am
caricature wrote:The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
It looks like it has been removed from youtube , the video is missing, but it does ask you to subscribe to Channel 5.
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chirpyinsect Thu 09 Apr 2015, 8:26 am
I just tried using a VPN so as though I was viewing from UK and it won't play. So if you have a VPN you could make your country of origin Cyprus and it will work. Not so important for this thread as such because I only posted it to back up the time of first broadcast in UK but an interesting documentary in its own right.costello wrote:caricature wrote:The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
It looks like it has been removed from youtube , the video is missing, but it does ask you to subscribe to Channel 5.
If you don't have a vpn use Hola which is free to to download from Google.
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Guest Thu 09 Apr 2015, 8:31 am
chirpyinsect wrote:I just tried using a VPN so as though I was viewing from UK and it won't play. So if you have a VPN you could make your country of origin Cyprus and it will work. Not so important for this thread as such because I only posted it to back up the time of first broadcast in UK but an interesting documentary in its own right.costello wrote:caricature wrote:The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
It looks like it has been removed from youtube , the video is missing, but it does ask you to subscribe to Channel 5.
If you don't have a vpn use Hola which is free to to download from Google.
You've lost me with VPN,hola?
I see what you mean about the times though,there have been other stories about how the press in the uk knew just wondered if a time was mucked up,should have been on the gmtv at 7,but actually wasn't until 8.
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Guest Thu 09 Apr 2015, 8:40 am
Hadn't seen this before,he was happy with the investigation,despite being made arguido,some difference to G&K.
Kind of put Kelly in her place regards the e-fits.
Kind of put Kelly in her place regards the e-fits.
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chirpyinsect Thu 09 Apr 2015, 9:09 am
2 glaring inaccuracies right away. Madeleine was not acting as a ball girl whilst her parents played tennis and it was stated that police had issued efits of several men when it was the 2 created by the Smiths that are shown but acknowledged as being of the same man.caricature wrote:Hadn't seen this before,he was happy with the investigation,despite being made arguido,some difference to G&K.
Kind of put Kelly in her place regards the e-fits.
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Mimi Thu 09 Apr 2015, 9:16 am
caricature wrote:Hadn't seen this before,he was happy with the investigation,despite being made arguido,some difference to G&K.
Kind of put Kelly in her place regards the e-fits.
Yep, Kelly didn`t like him saying that the GNR did a fantastic job - she hurried him off at that point.
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chirpyinsect Thu 09 Apr 2015, 9:44 am
VPN stands for virtual private network. It means I can watch catch up tv that is normally only available to view in UK. It has other uses too ie hiding your IP address if you wanted to log on to a forum you were banned from say. And no Myositis I don't use it for that purpose unlike some.caricature wrote:chirpyinsect wrote:I just tried using a VPN so as though I was viewing from UK and it won't play. So if you have a VPN you could make your country of origin Cyprus and it will work. Not so important for this thread as such because I only posted it to back up the time of first broadcast in UK but an interesting documentary in its own right.costello wrote:caricature wrote:The video won't play it says content blocked in this country on copyright grounds.
It looks like it has been removed from youtube , the video is missing, but it does ask you to subscribe to Channel 5.
If you don't have a vpn use Hola which is free to to download from Google.
You've lost me with VPN,hola?
I see what you mean about the times though,there have been other stories about how the press in the uk knew just wondered if a time was mucked up,should have been on the gmtv at 7,but actually wasn't until 8.
On the video Kate G can be seen getting the news in her ear about Madeleine. I was interested to check what time that happened but you can't see the studio clock. Luckily she described the way it broke and mentioned 8am. It was Jill Renwick who phoned it in.
My interest was in whether Jenny had said she got a call at 7am as her daughter had seen it on the news but her statement does not say a time.
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