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Post  froggy Mon 20 Feb 2017, 6:09 pm

If they have managed to do a reconstruction, then they will know how it's all lies and deception.
Proving what really happened will be more difficult.
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Post  Andrew Mon 20 Feb 2017, 6:13 pm

froggy wrote:If they have managed to do a reconstruction, then they will know how it's all lies and deception.
Proving what really happened will be more difficult.

I think they knew all that anyway. Very Happy
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Post  froggy Mon 20 Feb 2017, 6:26 pm

True, but it must be satisfying to be able to prove it. No doubt OG have come to the same conclusion.
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Post  Andrew Mon 20 Feb 2017, 6:27 pm

froggy wrote:True, but it must be satisfying to be able to prove it.  No doubt OG have come to the same conclusion.

Absolutely and without a doubt they did.
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Post  Châtelaine Mon 20 Feb 2017, 7:07 pm

It's just IMO a short distance away to be solved, proven and publicised.
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Post  candyfloss Mon 20 Feb 2017, 7:16 pm


From 2013 and what made the PJ reopen the case here is the full article that froggy found..


Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction

A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal offi-cials to re-open the case, we reveal today.



By James Murray

PUBLISHED: 04:43, Sun, Oct 27, 2013


The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.

They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007


Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.

In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.

Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.
Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.

For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

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Post  candyfloss Mon 20 Feb 2017, 7:21 pm

Just for interest will put this here, the virtual reconstruction by Pedro Gamito and Paulo Sargento 2008....



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Post  candyfloss Wed 22 Feb 2017, 3:12 pm



Justin Davenport
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First woman boss of Met: Cressida Dick lands top role at Scotland Yard


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/first-woman-boss-of-met-cressida-dick-lands-top-role-at-scotland-yard-a3473171.html

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Post  Bampots Wed 22 Feb 2017, 3:40 pm

Sorry CF i posted this after you in News thread....remove if you wish!!

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Post  candyfloss Wed 22 Feb 2017, 3:57 pm

Bampots wrote:Sorry CF i posted this after you in News thread....remove if you wish!!

No worries, it is current news, I just put it here as it affects Operation Grange..

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Post  Poe Thu 23 Feb 2017, 10:00 am

candyfloss wrote:

Justin Davenport
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First woman boss of Met: Cressida Dick lands top role at Scotland Yard


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/first-woman-boss-of-met-cressida-dick-lands-top-role-at-scotland-yard-a3473171.html

A lady policeman? In charge?

Someone's going to be busy scouring old copies of Vogue to check her views on heel height, hair length and varnished nails Very Happy
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Post  Andrew Thu 23 Feb 2017, 10:06 am

Very Happy

The FOI requests will be getting fired in as we speak to try and find out all that info. And the rest.
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Post  Helenmeg Thu 23 Feb 2017, 2:51 pm

Very Happy lol!


http://algarvedailynews.com/news/4168-redwood-retires-from-the-metropolitan-police-service
DCI Wall, who once appeared in a Vogue article on female police officers (see below), is no pushover as her 25 years in one of the toughest work environments in policing has seen her rise to the top.

It remains to be seen what the Portuguese police will make of her but with a reputation for solving cases with speed, she may succeed where others have failed.

Speed? No


From Vogue. May 2013:

Wall has served 25 years at the Met, eight as a DCI, and heads up the Murder Investigation Team in west London. She's also a trained hostage and crisis negotiator. Married two years ago, her husband does contract work in the Middle East and she sees him sporadically. "We don't have children," she says briskly. "I've got the greatest respect for women who balance both - because that's fantastic - but I don't have to. And I've got a house in Putney, and I have a really nice life."

For Wall, there is no typical murder. No two jobs are the same. "We could end up with the Tia Sharp jobs of this world," she says of the 12-year-old whose body was discovered at her grandmother's house last August. "And then there are jobs that are equally as difficult as those, but that just somehow don't get that media spark."

She usually has about six or seven live cases at any one time, and prides herself on her investigative speed; she is only partially joking when she attributes her low media profile to the fact "we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved…"

A diminutive peroxide blonde, with fine cheekbones and a faint Derbyshire accent, she cuts an unusual figure. "I'm a bit different," she admits. "The jury nearly fell over last time I was in the box!"

Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day."
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Post  Heisenburg Thu 23 Feb 2017, 2:59 pm

DCI who?
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Post  costello Fri 24 Feb 2017, 6:44 pm

Heisenburg wrote:DCI who?

Absolutely my thoughts too.
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Post  Helenmeg Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:44 am

Wall has not commented on the case and probably never will until it reaches some sort of conclusion. Gone are the days of Redwood and I'm glad about that.
I suppose Wall is waiting for the government to decide how this will end.
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Post  Helenmeg Thu 02 Mar 2017, 3:43 pm

Come on: bounce
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Post  Châtelaine Thu 02 Mar 2017, 4:22 pm

I'm content, that DCI Wall is still silent ...
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Post  dogs don't lie Thu 02 Mar 2017, 4:41 pm

Châtelaine wrote:I'm content, that DCI Wall is still silent ...

Me too Châtelaine.

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Post  Heisenburg Wed 08 Mar 2017, 6:31 pm


See how its done DCI Wall.

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said; "Through the persistence of officers and their detailed work we recently identified that the data provided was incorrect.We now know the weight of the waste collection from the ‘horseshoe’ on the night Corrie went missing was over 100kg, when the original information we were given indicated that this was 11kg, and this makes our search of the landfill the next logical step to try to find Corrie.


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Post  PMR Wed 08 Mar 2017, 10:16 pm

These are two completely different cases
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Post  Heisenburg Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:41 pm

PMR wrote:These are two completely different cases

Quite, one with a likely resolution in months the other nothing for years.
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Post  Heisenburg Thu 23 Mar 2017, 6:33 pm

What now for OG,its been affirmed by a court in Portugal where Madeleine disappeared that the McCanns were not cleared of any involvement in the archiving of the original investigation,whilst this in no way implicates them it leaves OG in a rather awkward position imo.
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Post  Andrew Thu 23 Mar 2017, 7:20 pm

OG have spent 10 billion ruling everyone else out apart from bleedin obvious and now it's the PJ to do their stuff...

Now the supreme business is done with.

EAW's on the way.

He says.
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Post  espeland Thu 23 Mar 2017, 7:43 pm

Heisenburg wrote:What now for OG,its been affirmed by a court in Portugal where Madeleine disappeared that the McCanns were not cleared of any involvement in the archiving of the original investigation,whilst this in no way implicates them it leaves OG in a rather awkward position imo.

Why is it awkward? OG should only investigate the McCanns' involvement if a prosecution in the UK is envisioned - and I've seen no suggestion of that yet. OG are supporting the PJ and it is in Portugal (except for details of telephone records, bank accounts etc: we've had no indication from either side that such details have been passed to Portugal) that evidence is likely to be found. As I've posted elsewhere, OG CAN help the PJ by discounting all the abduction tales, as their remit stated.

If either side was unhappy with OG's work, I would have expected there to have been obvious public discontent heard. Not only has this not happened, but the PJ have indicated that the two teams are working well together.

For myself I'm more interested in GA's whereabouts, as I see him being the catalyst that snares the McCanns.



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