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Post  Guest Thu 14 May 2015, 9:34 am

I have checked Myositis' other posts and this re GA seems to be out of the blue. Is this because Myositis is replying to someone here who posts on CMOMM and is there any ref to this letter over there?

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Post  Freedom Thu 14 May 2015, 9:38 am

costello wrote:The fund seems to be picking up speed again, excellent news. There is a comment from a Tony Bennett (2 mins ago)?

Tony's response here isn't out of the blue, RD. This is when the comment was first mentioned here yesterday and he replied.
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Post  Guest Thu 14 May 2015, 9:41 am

Thanks, I have seen that now, but as TB's main place for posting is CMOMM, why is no ref to this there on the topics related to GA and the fund?

btw by out of the blue I meant suddenly posting here after not doing so for some time, unless I read the stats wrong, sorry if so.

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Post  Andrew Thu 14 May 2015, 9:45 am

In a nutshell RD...

There was a donation and a comment left on G.A's fund site from a Tony Bennett. It was questioned whether it was a genuine comment by the man himself or by an impostor pretending to be him.

Tony/Mysositis replied on this forum and scanned the letter that he said he received to state that it was him who wrote the comment as he copied the letter as requested by the mystery sender. Donated the 10 pounds that was attached to the letter and put in a pound of his own money for good measure.

I don't know whether it has been discussed over on CMoMM.

Errr..... I think that's about it.
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Post  chirpyinsect Thu 14 May 2015, 9:46 am

Russian Doll wrote: Thanks, I have seen that now, but as TB's main place for posting is CMOMM, why is no ref to this there on the topics related to GA and the fund?

btw by out of the blue I meant suddenly posting here after not doing so for some time, unless I read the stats wrong, sorry if so.
Just for clarification RD Tony was replying to me probably because I had naughtily suggested the donation on GFM was someone having a joke at Tony's expense re the Smiths. I thought maybe the person didn't realise MS is Irish not from Ulster. I didn't appreciate the letter had really been sent to Tony and he was correcting that fact. I stood corrected.
Wish I hadn't now as it is a fuss about nothing.

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Post  Freedom Thu 14 May 2015, 9:48 am

Let's end this now please.

There's no reason for the letter to be mentioned over on CMoMM.
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Post  Andrew Thu 14 May 2015, 9:50 am

Freedom wrote:Let's end this now please.

There's no reason for the letter to be mentioned over on CMoMM.

Yeah - absolutely.

Just wanted to answer RD so she knows.
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Post  Guest Thu 14 May 2015, 9:53 am

Thanks Andrew, Chirpyinsect and Freedom. I now understand what has happened and why the discussion is here not on CMOMM.
I also think that this is a genuine letter to TB from an anonymous donor and TB is not playing any games.

I have created confusion, sorry, because I have not been around and suddenly saw this letter.
Now I know the fund site was where it first appeared and why, it all makes sense.

No more qs from me.


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Post  Mimi Thu 14 May 2015, 10:47 am

To RD flower

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Post  dogs don't lie Thu 14 May 2015, 11:02 am

Mimi wrote:To RD  flower

Yea, one from me too flower
I understand where you were coming from RD, still feel strange that it's not across the way. Another £11 anyhow.

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Post  Dee Coy Thu 14 May 2015, 2:11 pm

Mimi wrote:
PeterMac wrote:And she did make a point of telling the entire world that she had a problem with screwing Gerry - Front page of the Sun !

How unbelievable this whole thing actually IS, when you stand back and watch what this pair have done, to Madeleine, to themselves, to PdL, to their friends, to all the people who were paid to help, to the Press, to Justice, to Leveson, to international relations, to Freedom of speech, and to so many other peripheral things.

They have screwed up so much.

So true - about standing back I mean.  I get too bogged down in the detail of this case. I suppose we all do, including SY.   If one stands right back and takes a bird`s eye view, it`s blinkin` amazing what they`ve got away with and how the public have been fooled.  It`s ridiculous.

TB listed recently all the involvements of the security and other specialist services brought in pronto and when one sees them listed like that, rather than piecemeal, it shouts "big government cover-up".

ETA - I suppose it was a sure winner to dupe the general public  :-

Victims - photogenic too
Aggressive husband
Poor me wife
Loss of a child (which every person in the world dreads)
Professional couple - even better - doctors
Church goers
Do gooders for charity
They make love, rather than screw
Supportive family
Nasty foreigners who had the audacity to suspect the obvious

This is exactly it! Their attempts to continually present themselves as 'gentile', middle-class "people like you" is crucial for them to maintain the high-level support they have enjoyed.

It's also very significant for another reason - the rabid social climbing they have pursued throughout their careers towards the 'middle-middle" class status already enjoyed by their professional peers and the other Tapas. Kate to distance herself from the 'lower-middle' house she was born into and, of course, Gerry, whose overriding aim in life has been to drag himself by his bootstrings from his working-class roots to his perceived Arcadia of Middle-Middleness.

This latter point may seem frivolous, a silly McCann foible we can laugh at, but I believe it is more important than that. I think it was one of the main elements that prompted the cover-up in the first place - it's one of the main things that drives them, the protection of that tenuous and hard-fought nouveau status they believe they have achieved.

The words they use are huge give-aways. The "make love" phrase is a perfect example.

The working classes would say "f..k" or "shag".
The aristocrats would also say "f..k", "shag" or "bonk". "To F..k" is the original verb meaning intercourse in the English language and is, as such, perfectly acceptable when used in it's true context. It is only the Victorians with their ridiculous sensibilities that condemned this perfectly valid word to become a profanity.

The lower-middles and middle-middles would use euphemisms or newly invented phrases that they perceive to be more refined and distance themselves from the reality of the actual act, such as "be intimate with", "sleep with", "have some nooky", or the classic "make love with".

Of course, it's all false modesty, the use of this flowery raping of the English language, as the middle classes use these bastardisations to illustrate their distance from the working-class vocabulary and therefore from the working classes themselves. The irony is, ofcourse, that the aristocrats and upper-middles use the same plain English as the lowest echelons - they have never seen a reason to change the words they use as they couldn't give a hoot about people's perceptions of them. The very words the upwardly-mobile strive to avoid are the very words used by the people they strive towards. So we have the wonderful situation where the adopted language of the middle classes is the main give-away of their social insecurities and the reason the upper classes silently smirk at the giveaway as soon as they open their mouths.

There's a surprisingly accurate description of all this in this Daily Mail article. Surprising as the Daily Mail itself is the paper of the lower and middle Middles:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608173/So-CLASS-YOU-A-wickedly-funny-perceptive-new-book-answer-hinges-favourite-marmalade-buy-M-S.html

All my own opinion of the opinions of the Mcs!

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Post  Mimi Thu 14 May 2015, 2:39 pm

@ DeeCoy - Thanks for the link to `What Class Are You`? It`s so funny (and true).

Here are some more things that give away one`s class


Saying Nugget instead of Noogaa
Holding a knife at the dinner table like a pencil and
Ironing a crease in a shirt sleeve (although it is allowable - even expected - in the military I believe).


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Post  poppyfox Thu 14 May 2015, 4:05 pm

Freedom wrote:
Good for you Andrew, you're on your best behaviour from now on!

Here is the comment.

£11
Tony Bennett
19 mins ago
Yesterday I received an anonymous letter, I think from Northern Irleland, as it contained an Ulster Bank Ltd £10 note. So this is THAT PERSON's donation, not mine. I will now reproduce exactly what the sender wrote to me: QUOTE: Dear Mr Bennett, I would like to donate a small token to Dr Amaral's Fund. I wish it could be more, though I believe assuredly that justice will be done, as I believe in God and His words when He said: "I will avenge, said the Lord", and: "What a man sows, that shall he reap". I personally know that with God nothing is impossible. Dr Amaral, yourself and all the dedicated team of justice and truth seekers and who are 'anti lies, deceit and corruption' are faithfully in my preayers. You have all inspired me for 8 years now. God is love, and love never fails. I will aprreciate you passing it on to the Fund, as I don't have a bank card. Congratulations to you all. All will be well. From a true believer in Dr Amaral. I think this verse applies to Dr Amaral: "The Lord said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for MY POWER is made perfect in WEAKNESS'." Thank you very much. UNQUOTE. I have added on £1 to cover the commission - TB

I'm from Northern Ireland but I can assure you it wasn't me sending Mr Bennett £10!!! lol!
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Post  Dee Coy Thu 14 May 2015, 4:39 pm

@Mimi It's hilarious, isn't it Laughing?  But to those who take it seriously and seek to be upwardly mobile as, I believe, the McCanns are, it's to be taken very seriously indeed. It's a large part of their raison d'être, I think, and is probably a symptom of their narcissm. That's why I believe they are so desperate to protect their (in their minds) new-found "status" at all costs and is a large part of the foundations of this whole mess.

I'm working class and comfortable in my own skin so I do find the whole class thing amusing, particuarly when you start to see people you know adopt new words and behaviours. I found this blog which also describes it very well:

http://evilstylequeen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/10/intact-sense-for-class-distinction.html

Other things the aristos and working people have in common is that they both sleep (in the literal sense!) with their animals, don't mind a bit of muck and dust, have scruffy but comfortable lived-in houses, don't care about others' perceptions of them and they both enjoy a good scrap. This last is perhaps illustrated by the upper class love of "Rugger" and the working classes donning their flat caps of a Sunday afternoon to go and watch a hard game of Rugby League.

Jilly Cooper's books are works of brilliance. Far form being the proverbial "bonkbusters" she is traditionally merely given credit for, her wonderful novels are actually studies of the different classes and how they interact.

I guess the main thing is to be true to yourself. There's no right or wrong about any of it.

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Post  dogs don't lie Thu 14 May 2015, 5:09 pm

I'm from Northern Ireland but I can assure you it wasn't me sending Mr Bennett £10!!!

Nor me!

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Post  Guest Thu 14 May 2015, 6:57 pm

I made a list earlier on today and according to that article, I am either middle-middle or upper-middle class.
But I would consider myself working class, and proud! Wink

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Post  dogs don't lie Thu 14 May 2015, 7:39 pm

I liked this one...

Kate and Gerry,you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep. Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies. I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings. I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too. I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller. The truth will be told. You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters. People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.


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Post  PeterMac Fri 15 May 2015, 10:49 am

dogs don't lie wrote:I liked this one...

Kate and Gerry,you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep. Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies. I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings. I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too. I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller. The truth will be told. You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters. People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.


It has gone to a select list of editors and journalists . . .
About 50 to be less than precise.
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Post  dogs don't lie Fri 15 May 2015, 11:06 am

Woohooo! That ones very emotional and shows how it affected other small children.

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Post  candyfloss Fri 15 May 2015, 11:10 am

dogs don't lie wrote:Woohooo! That ones very emotional and shows how it affected other small children.

Have a read of these jilly posted yesterday.......




JillyCL @JillyCL  
 ·  23 hrs 23 hours ago  
2007 Maddie cinema ad scares shrek kids  http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic14525.html   #McCann





JillyCL @JillyCL  
 ·  23 hrs 23 hours ago  
The Observer, May 2007: 'Children lie awake in fear as rumours swirl'  http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic543.html   #McCann




JillyCL @JillyCL  
 ·  23 hrs 23 hours ago  
2007  Kids Traumatised Over Maddie  http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic3250.html  #McCann





JillyCL @JillyCL  
 ·  23 hrs 23 hours ago  
There were even regular bulletins on CBBC (Children's BBC) about 'the abduction of Madeleine #McCann  http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post130625.html#p130625 …






Scary stuff for kiddies  affraid

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Post  PeterMac Fri 15 May 2015, 1:13 pm

http://portugalresident.com/top-british-cop-vows-“maddie-hunt-must-continue”-while-“troll-noise”-reaches-fever-pitch

Posted by portugalpress on May 15, 2015
Top British cop vows “Maddie hunt must continue” while “troll noise” reaches fever pitch

In the UK today, Metropolitan Police chief Sir Brian Hogan Howe has confirmed the multi-million pound investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from an Algarve holiday resort eight years ago must continue - no matter what his union, or indeed anyone else thinks.
Talking to Tom Pettifor of the Daily Mirror, Sir Brian “reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions devoted to the case”.
“It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out. It’s my decision,” he told the Mirror. “This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.”
John Tully, chairman of the Met’s police federation, showed in March that rank-and-file police think otherwise. He declared there were “rumblings of discontent” over the manpower and money ploughed into the Madeleine investigation and that it was “time to refocus” and channel resources into “keeping London safe”.
But as Sir Brian insists that the Met must continue with the hunt that has purportedly cost over £10 million so far, Britons denounced as “trolls” are channelling money hand-over-fist to the cause of the former Portuguese policeman sued by missing Madeleine’s parents for the message in his book the Truth of the Lie.

Gonçalo Amaral has announced that he is appealing against the decision that leaves him owing a whopping €600,000 in combined damages and interest payments - but it is no secret that the case has left him financially hamstrung. Thus the rallying of support, both here and in the UK is a life-raft.
Coordinated by a group of friends who have sole use of the money for legal defence costs only, it has quite literally kept him going.
“The best proof … is that he has come this far,” one of the fund ‘managers’ told us today. “He wouldn’t have otherwise.”
With the “gofundme” appeal started by Leanne Bulch, a young single mother from Birmingham, getting donations from an average of 70 people a day - and nudging ever-closer to its £25,000 target - Amaral has spoken to Visão magazine about the case that “destroyed his career, his family and his health”, saying “my life is gone. I am only alive due to my heart”.

He reveals not only that he will be counter-suing the McCann parents, their “group of friends” and “other people and entities” “in good time” but that, as far as he is concerned, the couple “practised a crime” and were “primarily responsible for their daughter’s disappearance” by leaving their children alone “for more than five nights”.

It is an extraordinary interview published in full on the “Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral” website set up by one of the friends who has fought tirelessly since 2009 for Amaral’s right to freedom of expression.
She told us how she is buoyed now by the “incredible response” coming every day from British people who have been described by the UK’s Sun newspaper as “sick trolls”.
The Resident has been following the fund and, as we suggested last week, the comments appearing on it do not seem to fit the profile of trolls in any way at all.
Indeed one was so poignant it has spurred Amaral supporters to send it to over 50 British newspapers and media professionals to highlight how strong feelings in the UK are about this eternal “mystery”.

Penned by a donor who gave her name as Paula Seddon, it ran as follows: “Kate and Gerry, you damaged the lives of my children when they were small as they thought someone was going to get into their bedroom windows as their catholic school told them your jack-a-nory story and asked them to pray. We had sleepless nights for years and a security routine to check doors and windows before sleep. Their anxiety and distress caused by your lies. I donated £5 back then to the school fund for you as at the time I thought you were genuine human beings. I cuddled and calmed them as I believed the fiction too. I would like to withdraw that money and give to a truth teller. The truth will be told. You cannot hide behind pity statements by calling people trolls and haters. People are waking up and realising your story is full of holes and had the real story broke back then, my children would not have been scared or scarred by your lies.”

But the day after the message was sent, the UK press ran only with the story that insists the search for missing Madeleine must continue.
Meantime, Amaral’s interview with Visão is being copied, tweeted and sent around the world.
As he tells journalist Alexandra Ferreira, he wrote the book that the McCann couple took him to court over as a “way to reply to the humiliation and the offences” that he has been “targeted with”.
“Deep down that was it. They say we are incompetent, they say we are a third world police force, drunkards, fat, lazy, etc., and the PJ police does not set out to defend us. Therefore I turned to writing, reporting the investigation that had been carried out, so people could draw their own conclusions.”
Asked what remains “unexplained in this case”, he said: “I don’t answer that question. Faced with what was said by the couple after the verdict was known, that they feel stronger, I just feel like saying that only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood. Like Zeca Afonso sang: ‘They eat everything…’”

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com

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Post  Guest Fri 15 May 2015, 1:17 pm



He reveals not only that he will be counter-suing the McCann parents, their “group of friends” and “other people and entities” “in good time

Trouble is,where will the funds come from to be able to launch such litigation.

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Post  PeterMac Fri 15 May 2015, 2:14 pm

caricature wrote:

He reveals not only that he will be counter-suing the McCann parents, their “group of friends” and “other people and entities” “in good time

Trouble is,where will the funds come from to be able to launch such litigation.
With luck he will find a No Win no Fee lawyer, if they are legal in Portugal.
If not, he may be able to start the process himself, as a litigant in person.
He has a doctorate, so should be able to con a few pages of a law text book.
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Post  Châtelaine Fri 15 May 2015, 4:21 pm

Exactly PeterMac. And no doubt there will be people again to support him ;-)
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Post  dogs don't lie Fri 15 May 2015, 4:26 pm

Ah, all those kids worrying, how are they gonna feel when the truth comes out?

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