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Post  Guinea Pig on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 10:14 am

I was going to say that you couldn't make it up but actually someone did in the first series of The Missing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/11297283/The-Missing-Review-Episode-8-Finale-James-Nesbitt.html
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Post  Freedom on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 12:05 pm

I wasn't the only one going WTF about that ending - such a disappointment.

I didn't plan to watch the second series as a result but I'm glad that I did as it was much better.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 12:47 pm

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Post  niklasericson on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 3:02 pm

If they conclude that she woke up and walked out it will be very interesting to hear the explanation to why the window was opened and the shutter raised.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 3:54 pm

And why was cuddle cat found on her pillow and not on the road?

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Post  canada12 on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

If she woke up and wandered, what did Eddie and Keela detect?
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Post  unreorganised on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 6:24 pm

canada12 wrote:If she woke up and wandered, what did Eddie and Keela detect?

Bullshit, presumably.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 6:35 pm

Were any of the paths that Madeleine would have taken en route to the tapas bar even accessible to vehicles? 

She could of course have wandered further afield but did nobody see a small child in pyjamas wandering alone?

I suppose it's no sillier though than the yarn that the McCanns have expected us to believe all these years.
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Post  Tangled Web on Sun 25 Nov 2018, 6:47 pm

Freedom wrote:Were any of the paths that Madeleine would have taken en route to the tapas bar even accessible to vehicles? 

She could of course have wandered further afield but did nobody see a small child in pyjamas wandering alone?

I suppose it's no sillier though than the yarn that the McCanns have expected us to believe all these years.

Yes the road down to the entrance to the complex from the apartment was open to cars as was the one behind the apartment but this would only be accessed via the locked wooden door.

If a car knocks an animal or person down though there would have been screeching brakes at the least if not careering into a wall or lamp post so the sound of impact.

The people who were two floors up from the McCanns, their name slips my mind at the moment, they gave a statement saying they were sat on their balcony having a nightcap and didn't hear anything other than voices around the pool calling. So they didn't hear any child shouting for her parents or crying.
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Post  Heisenburg on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 3:25 pm

The McCanns feel the claims of woke and wandered as being investigated by SY are insulting .



MADELEINE McCann’s parents are convinced their daughter was kidnapped and have dismissed "insulting" claims she could have woken up and wandered out of their holiday apartment.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7828725/madeleine-mccann-parents-slam-claims-she-wasnt-kidnapped/
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Post  Freedom on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 3:53 pm

We know what to expect from Tracey Kandohla!

How it is "insulting" to suggest that Madeleine could have wandered off when that is the mostly solution with any child left unattended I don't know.

No, she couldn't have opened the shutters but what about the unlocked patio doors?
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Post  niklasericson on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

It's a pretty precarious situation the McCann's are sitting in . Of course we don't know what is real or not real because it's coming from media but I believe this "car accident investigation" could be real because they want find any abductors and SY has promised to solve the case and how will they do this without an abductor and the Tapasgang is out of interest?
I think we all knows who opened up that window and the McCann's have claimed "abduction" since the first minute and the only thing they have for the abduction story is this window.
McCann's says "A 4yo could not raised the shutters and open the window", and I believe they are right in this.
But what if MET/PJ one day want to end this and say that she died in a car accident, OR there was actually an car accident but I wonder then what happens to the open-window-abduction-theory?
It would be easy to let a 4 yo try to raise a similar shutter and open up a similar window and see if it's possible, I don't believe it is possible(imo)
Summary.
The McCann's put everything on one card, the window card and this window is holy for them in their abduction claims.
This window could wreck McCann's theory and they are now furious when their holy window don't play a part in this "accident theory" in media yesterday because they knows who opened up that window and raised those shutters.
The only thing that could save them is if MET/PJ says that an abduction took place, if not they must explain how the shutters could been raised and how the window could be opened.

Yes Freedom, if she walked out through the patiodoor they must also explain why the window was open.
Some imo and some speculations.

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Post  chrissie on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 4:31 pm

Freedom wrote:We know what to expect from Tracey Kandohla!

How it is "insulting" to suggest that Madeleine could have wandered off when that is the mostly solution with any child left unattended I don't know.

No, she couldn't have opened the shutters but what about the unlocked patio doors?

That's just what I was thinking Freedom!
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Post  Poe on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 4:36 pm

Until recently, the McCanns have been pretty quiet since they were apparently instructed to stop speaking to the media by Scotland Yard prior to the 11th anniversary.

Yes we had the rants against Mr Amaral and the crying Gerry radio show but it's only since the police visited to "keep the McCanns updated" that they've reverted to the weekly rehashed updates from a source close to the investigation and Kate's outrage.

Maybe the noose is tightening and the McCanns have nothing to lose by antagonising the police.

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Post  niklasericson on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 6:20 pm

Freedom wrote:We know what to expect from Tracey Kandohla!

How it is "insulting" to suggest that Madeleine could have wandered off when that is the mostly solution with any child left unattended I don't know.

No, she couldn't have opened the shutters but what about the unlocked patio doors?

Fiona Payne Rog statement.
" 'She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh".

It seems like Kate discussed this scenario that she could walk out with Fiona, but today is it "ridiculous"

Gerry and Kate McCann have branded the theory "ridiculous" as heavy shutters found open in the bedroom where their children were sleeping would have to have been opened by Maddie.
A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.
"To suggest this is almost ridiculous."

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Post  poster on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 8:24 pm

A family source said: "Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.
"To suggest this is almost ridiculous."


No more ridiculous than to maintain she was abducted with no evidence to support the claim.

As Kate writes in her book, in the majority of cases where children disappear in mysterious circumstances, the person or people responsible are known to the child - family, friends or other people trusted by the child. I see nothing to suggest that this case is any different.
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Post  unreorganised on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 8:33 pm

I do get a sinking feeling that they might actually try to make this fly, especially if some tenuous "evidence" can be found to support it. It's no less coherent than the Ben Needham conclusion.
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Post  canada12 on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 9:30 pm

I could see some kind of scenario whereby SY and Portugal say, we won't prosecute you for fraud re: The Fund if you admit to Child Neglect, ie, you left your three young children alone at night in an unsecured apartment, thus allowing Madeleine to wake and wander. We'll agree to the understanding that she was accidentally killed by a passing motorist, if you'll agree to pleading guilty for the Neglect and we'll see what the courts say about sentencing.

A possibility?
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Post  Freedom on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 10:04 pm

Why wouldn't her body ever have been found if that's what happened? I just can't imagine anyone hiding it in panic - they would just flee the scene.
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Post  niklasericson on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 10:27 pm

canada12 wrote:I could see some kind of scenario whereby SY and Portugal say, we won't prosecute you for fraud re: The Fund if you admit to Child Neglect, ie, you left your three young children alone at night in an unsecured apartment, thus allowing Madeleine to wake and wander. We'll agree to the understanding that she was accidentally killed by a passing motorist, if you'll agree to pleading guilty for the Neglect and we'll see what the courts say about sentencing.

A possibility?
I believe it is a possibility and it's clear when seen the reactions from "Pro's" and the McCann's that they definitely do not want it to be an car accident because it would be devastating for the McCann's, they probably staged an abduction and brought in millions and will always be treated as fraudsters, they probably have to move away from Britain.
I've not looked into this scenario much too be honest because I've  always thought it was ruled out and a nearly impossible scenario with closed gates etc.
Do we know for sure that the gates were closed?
If the gates were closed, is it possible they've could been closed afterwards?
If the patio door was opened it would have been no problem for a child to go downstairs and run out on the street, she would have been unsighted to a driver??
Is this a "car accident" scenario.
She woked up,walked out through the patio door.
Down the stairs and ran out on street and got hit by a car.
Later Gerry came to the apartment and found she was missing and he was out on the street to look for her because he found the patio door opened and knew they were in big trouble because she was left in an unsecured apartment and that's why they staged the abduction to get the immediate focus away from them self???
I'am just thinking loud.

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Post  canada12 on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 10:43 pm

We could, just for a moment, suppose that Madeleine DID wake up, find the patio door unlocked, got it open and wandered outside.

We could suppose she was hit by a car, and the driver either didn't know it, or did know it and fled the scene.

We could suppose Madeleine was either seriously injured or killed, and was discovered lying on the road by Gerry. We could suppose this happened on the night of the "abduction" or perhaps...a previous night.

We could suppose that panic ensued and the McCanns feared prosecution for child neglect for leaving their children unattended which directly contributed to Madeleine's death. And so she was brought into the flat...where she either died from her injuries, or she was already dead. Which would account for blood spots and the dogs' reaction.

We could suppose that the abduction scenario was thus born, out of a need to conceal the neglect and the accident as well as Madeleine's body.

It is as much a possibility, I think, as the supposition that she had an accident inside the flat.
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Post  niklasericson on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 6:26 am

Adding this.
The Police used to take crime scenes photos as they found it, I don't know if they found the stairs with the gates open or not.


And I wonder if the Ocean Club changed the lower gate to an higher gate/door after what happened for a special reason?


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Post  Poe on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 9:26 am

Isn't the most likely reason for the change to the gate to keep the media out?

I, personally, think that this is another McCann attempt to divert attention like the burglars, tractorman etc. etc. and they are being a bit cleverer than usual by feeding the story to the media then angrily denying that it's possible.

So, the press get two stories for the price of one and the McCanns have planted a seed of doubt about SY's competency which lays the groundwork for claims of "they don't know what happened but they want it solved after spending so much so they're framing us"

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Post  niklasericson on Tue 27 Nov 2018, 9:55 am

Poe wrote:Isn't the most likely reason for the change to the gate to keep the media out?

I, personally, think that this is another McCann attempt to divert attention like the burglars, tractorman etc. etc. and they are being a bit cleverer than usual by feeding the story to the media then angrily denying that it's possible.

So, the press get two stories for the price of one and the McCanns have planted a seed of doubt about SY's competency which lays the groundwork for claims of "they don't know what happened but they want it solved after spending so much so they're framing us"

Could be a possible reason.
I have looked into the car accident scenario a little bit more and compared the statement of Hayley Crawford with her boyfriends, statement Nuno Da Conceicao's statement, whatever happened, he does not tell the story.
And later in his statement he brought that "Burglary is common in the apartments since the guests left their doors unlocked".

Spot the difference.
He says he went home at 20:45 but his girlfriend says they went to the reception at 21:00 to collect a service vehicle.
Nuno Da Conceicao:


Hayley Crawford:

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Post  chrissie on Wed 12 Dec 2018, 6:50 pm

Wasn't sure where to put this Rolling Eyes

UNITED IN GRIEF Madeleine McCann’s mum lives in hope that ‘tomorrow we will find her’ as she urges others to ‘never give up hope’
Kate McCann gave a heartfelt message to other families at a poignant carol service on Monday in London for Missing People

EXCLUSIVE

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7957994/madeleine-mccann-mum-hope-find-tomorrow-urges-hope/


Apparently she's still an ambassador for Missing People and a GP Rolling Eyes
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