Capabilities of the Dogs

Andrew wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491653/Bag-clothes-dumped-near-Portugal-airport-shows-DNA-links-Maddie.html

Another old article mentioning jeans. Again I'm sure it's already on here somewhere but will stick it up here.

Dumped there purely for the reasons given imo.

A friend of the McCanns said: "It potentially suggests that someone has taken her then disposed of the clothing.

"They have done it near Faro which could imply they have gone in the direction of the airport. It backs up the idea she was abducted."

From the mail article above........3} A leaked report showed experts concluded the clothes contained bodily fluid and traces of hair that could have come from Maddie. The jeans contained more than 60 different stains. The report concluded: "The blue fleece and jeans were found to contain traces of congealed skin and hair. {4}"They were found to contain DNA characteristics that could be attributed to Madeleine McCann." No traces of Maddie's DNA were found on any of the other items.

The fresh clues will give Kate and Gerry, both 39, renewed hope of finding their daughter alive six months after she disappeared. A friend of the McCanns said: "It potentially suggests that someone has taken her then disposed of the clothing. "They have done it near Faro which could imply they have gone in the direction of the airport. It backs up the idea she was abducted." Maddie disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Portuguese re

So after telling us that they contain DNA like Maddies they then say...

found to contain traces of congealed skin and hair. {4}"They were found to contain DNA characteristics that could be attributed to Ma...

Yeh that will defenitley give parents renewed strength and hope.....congeled skin and hair always does.....congeled with what i hear you ask....what do we know congeles????

Bampots.
The photo I posted was just found by Googling for images of JT. You will see it was part of a set with RoB which is cropped from this larger pic, obviously taken in PT. One would assume the one of JT is from the same time but there is another of her wearing jeans in PT.

That bottom was took in 2009 when they went back.

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/sniffer-dogs-found-scent-of-death-on.html

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JEANSs seem to have been on JANE TANNERS mind a lot...in her rogatory statement without being prompted she feels she must explain she did not take JEANS on holiday to PDL. Reply “Yeah. Erm, I’m just trying to, well I’ve walked out of the, walked out of the, erm, the Tap, you know, walked sort of into the reception of the Tapas Bar and obviously walked up the road. I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans, I know I didn’t take jeans on holiday, and then. Oh I’m sidetracking a bit, but that’s why I knew one of the pictures in the paper wasn’t from the holiday, because I hadn’t got jeans on the holiday with me, so. Erm, yeah, and I’d got cropped trousers on and just flip-flops, so I can remember sort of walking, I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them, so to speak."

Not sure if there's a more relevant topic to stick this - but just saw it on the Sky News website..

http://news.sky.com/story/police-use-tracker-dogs-to-try-and-solve-mystery-of-severed-feet-10541548

Andrew wrote:http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/sniffer-dogs-found-scent-of-death-on.html

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JEANSs seem to have been on JANE TANNERS mind a lot...in her rogatory statement without being prompted she feels she must explain she did not take JEANS on holiday to PDL. Reply “Yeah. Erm, I’m just trying to, well I’ve walked out of the, walked out of the, erm, the Tap, you know, walked sort of into the reception of the Tapas Bar and obviously walked up the road. I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans, I know I didn’t take jeans on holiday, and then. Oh I’m sidetracking a bit, but that’s why I knew one of the pictures in the paper wasn’t from the holiday, because I hadn’t got jeans on the holiday with me, so. Erm, yeah, and I’d got cropped trousers on and just flip-flops, so I can remember sort of walking, I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them, so to speak."

She says three times that she knows she didn't take jeans on that holiday.

Jeans must be a sensitive topic, imo.

Bampots wrote:From the mail article above........3} A leaked report showed experts concluded the clothes contained bodily fluid and traces of hair that could have come from Maddie. The jeans contained more than 60 different stains. The report concluded: "The blue fleece and jeans were found to contain traces of congealed skin and hair. {4}"They were found to contain DNA characteristics that could be attributed to Madeleine McCann." No traces of Maddie's DNA were found on any of the other items.

The fresh clues will give Kate and Gerry, both 39, renewed hope of finding their daughter alive six months after she disappeared. A friend of the McCanns said: "It potentially suggests that someone has taken her then disposed of the clothing. "They have done it near Faro which could imply they have gone in the direction of the airport. It backs up the idea she was abducted." Maddie disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Portuguese re

So after telling us that they contain DNA like Maddies they then say...

found to contain traces of congealed skin and hair. {4}"They were found to contain DNA characteristics that could be attributed to Ma...

Yeh that will defenitley give parents renewed strength and hope.....congeled skin and hair always does.....congeled with what i hear you ask....what do we know congeles????

This is presumably why jeans are a sensitive topic?

Notice how TM have so ineptly and entirely incongruously tried to spin this piece of potentially damning evidence into support for their abduction theory.

Presumably police also examined the fleece and jeans for 'the abductor's' DNA? The DNA of the person wearing the fleece and jeans?

bluebell wrote:Interesting theory poster, after 9 years all theories are worth consideration imo.    

I've been following the disappearance of Deorr Kunz for the past year  - a 2 year old from the USA who apparently completely vanished off the face of the earth without trace on a camping trip with parents.   No leads, no real evidence, he just vanished.  A different continent but a lot in common except in Maddie's time social media wasn't so prevalent as it is now.

Sorry, I diverse.  I really just had a question about "the lady in purple" who was apparently seen by more than one witness on the Thursday evening, outside/close to Apartment 5a.  I would be interested in your thoughts on her.  

Is she important?  Are the witnesses trustworthy?  Why was she there?  Is it even relevant?    Thanks.  j.

Lady in purple almost certainly Jane Tanner, imo. Didn't Jez also mention seeing a lady in purple? And we know that Jane Tanner is quite central to this case in one way or another as she came up with Tannerman who TM clung to like limpets despite his implausibility.

There was an relatively early report about the case in a local newspaper in Leicestershire (Leicestershire Comet or something?) in which someone commented with words to the effect that Jane Tanner had (accidentally?) overdosed Madeleine and therefore felt some responsibility towards what had happened. The post was swiftly removed but there are still some links on the internet.

I think that some kind of version of the above scenario is perfectly possible. Detective Amaral is certain that sedation of some (or all?) the McCann children was carried out. He must have good reason to think this and of course it is on record that the twins were practically in a coma on the night of the alleged abduction not stirring despite the pandemonium. Kate even writes that she checks them for signs of life.

Kate and Gerry are the type of people that like to pin the blame on everyone else, imo. And I would not be at all surprised if they tried to implicate others into their own mess. They have done this time and again in my opinion.

WHY would Jane Tanner have got herself so involved to the extent of having made the Tannerman sighting which is about as flimsy as a house of cards?

In the 'theory in a nutshell' post up-thread I forgot to mention the so-called 'last photo' which is as cobbled together as they come, imo. Again, I can only assume this was a desperate attempt to portray a happy family gathering on Thursday lunchtime when this was not the case. Of particular interest is that Sean is not included in the photo. I wonder why? Kate describes Sean as sensitive. I wonder if, perhaps unlike Amelie, Sean got wind that something was not right that week and there was a need to keep him distracted and busy with their friends. Just a thought.

That early report about Jane Tanner admitting to "overdosing" Madeleine seems very unlikely.

I presume we're talking about something not available over the counter as a children's medicine. Jane isn't a doctor. Why would she have administered it to her own children, let alone anyone else's?

Quick reply to this freedom....RoB was qualified to prescribe and administer sedatives ......been reading an old 3a post and the theory was JT dragged in because Rob f@#ked up......will bring links later as about to have a meal....they reckoned this explains Tanners urgency to say Tannerman was 5.7 and definatley not 5.10.....also Robs looking after sick kid as exscuse for abscence....

Long time, no speak, Bampots. I'd be interested to read those links if you can dig them out later...

Reminds me of a theory I read from the 'early' days as well. Along the lines that it was Russ that brought over all the medication/sedatives etc and M fatally overdosed with it.

Because it was his medication then Jane felt more compelled to go along with and create the fabricated abduction sighting etc...

And it was Russ that apparently had a nervous breakdown not long afterwards and was off work for a long time.

Anyway, thinking about it again. It actually makes more sense the second time.

Bampots wrote:Quick reply to this freedom....RoB was qualified to prescribe and administer sedatives ......been reading an old 3a post and the theory was JT dragged in because Rob f@#ked up......will bring links later as about to have a meal....they reckoned this explains Tanners urgency to say Tannerman was 5.7 and definatley not 5.10.....also Robs looking after sick kid as exscuse for abscence....

It is quite possible that Jane Tanner was trying to protect her partner at the time - there were a few mentions in the Tapas rogatories about there being enough doctors to attempt resuscitation and words to similar effect. Which does tend to suggest that this might have been an issue. Otherwise, why say it?

Sure i wished bluebell happy birthday or someone.....anyhoos me been en France....near Vannes ,Moribhan,Brittany for a couple of weeks....tho did read most days!! The prices in France appear more expensive than 12months ago.....but hey ho the roads have fewer potholes and the citzens appear to dispose of the litter in a civillised manner!!!
Here is the 3a thread where they speak of RoB and JT re prescribing etc
http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?p=368642&sid=cdacf9e3a2ab46c173c15037acf06598

Have never doubted my instinct on Tanner really....worth a look at link

Cheers for that. Now the footy has finished, I will have a read up.

Hope you had a good hol.

It's fascinating and really interesting reading up on the early stuff that was bounced about on that forum. Some really good and informative posters... I wonder where are they all now?

It beggars belief that this charade is still going on all these years later.

AFAIR there was no proof of ROB being off work on sick leave or any breakdown at the time. I was on the 3A and it was a comment that grew legs and became often quoted fact. His career certainly has not suffered.
When he was absent from the picture of the other six outside the Court in London there was huge speculation.
Was it in his rog that he emphasised Jane was not his wife just the mother of his girls?

Just been reading elsewhere about the dogs and expanding on it a bit,Eddie alerts to Cadaver by barking,Keela alerts to blood by pointing at the spot with her nose,now its reckoned that Eddie also alerts to blood,if so why the use of two dogs when the one will do? also if Eddie does also alert to blood,how is it differentiated by how the dog alerts,any one know?

Heisenburg wrote:Just been reading elsewhere about the dogs and expanding on it a bit,Eddie alerts to Cadaver by barking,Keela alerts to blood by pointing at the spot with her nose,now its reckoned that Eddie also alerts to blood,if so why the use of two dogs when the one will do? also if Eddie does also alert to blood,how is it differentiated by how the dog alerts,any one know?

28 pages of this thread discussing it Heisenburg.... have a look back.

candyfloss wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:Just been reading elsewhere about the dogs and expanding on it a bit,Eddie alerts to Cadaver by barking,Keela alerts to blood by pointing at the spot with her nose,now its reckoned that Eddie also alerts to blood,if so why the use of two dogs when the one will do? also if Eddie does also alert to blood,how is it differentiated by how the dog alerts,any one know?

28 pages of this thread discussing it Heisenburg.... have a look back.

I know,but can't find any where it says Eddie alerts differently to blood by giving a different signal.My point being,Eddie alerted to supposed cadaver behind the settee,then Keela was brought in and alerted to blood,why was Keela brought in? was it to confirm blood that Eddie alerted to,where is a different signal from Eddie that leads to them suspecting blood or is there not and its a myth.

I think M Grime answers it himself.So it is a myth.

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs: 'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).

'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel bitch who is trained as an Human blood search dog (C.S.I. dog).

Totally irrelevant to the topic thread (didn't know where to put it). But just seen this tweet from this chap.

N.M ‏@AdirenM 11m11 minutes ago
Gerald #McCann was not the man in charge of the trashing of the apartment. But that will have to be kept secret until PT publishes PJ files.

Interesting if true.....

In here? Andrew.

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t37-breaking-news-and-latest-news-tweets-no-discussions-here

Cheers H.

Not sure if it warranted being on there though. As this was the most recent topic in the discussion thread, I just parked it here.