GONCALO AMARAL WINS APPEAL! - HE MAY SUE THE McCANNS

Poe wrote:It's in The Independent this morning (link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeliene-mccann-portuguese-detective-wins-appeal-against-500000-mccann-family-libel-defeat-a6991926.html ) and this comment has been published:

MartEconn

When Theresa May is involved you know something stinks.

The McCanns should have been arrested for neglecting their children for a start. If you dont want to be with your kids on holiday, don't bloody take them.

A trained dog detected death in that apartment, this dog brought from the US detected death in the kid's bedroom and downstairs behind a sofa where blood was found.

The dog had helped solve 200 cases in the US so it had form.

Where did that minifridge go from the apartment, and why did Gerry have an empty file in the sex offender system

What is scary is the UK gov and police always tried to protect the McCanns from day one.

It'll be interesting to see whether it gets wooshed later.

Wow! Yes Teresa May does imo seem to have  history indeed when it comes to child protection....definitely worth exploring her past in this area.

http://sonarz.com/is-the-game-finally-up-for-the-mccanns/

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The McCanns have suffered a huge blow to their ongoing battle at silencing anyone that questions the fantasy abduction ‘story’ they have been peddling since Madeleine vanished from their apartment in early 2007.



Gonçalo Amaral, The Chief Inspector who allegedly ‘bungled’ the hunt for Madeleine during the early stages of the investigation, has won his appeal by ‘unanimous decision’ against a malicious libel lawsuit by the McCanns, for a book, in which he publishes an alternative explanation as to what really happened to Madeleine on that fateful night.

It’s fair to say that Gonçalo has been the victim of a disgraceful ‘smear campaign’ orchestrated by the McCanns team of high-profile lawyers and PR firms on the Madeleine McCann fund payroll — who’s sole purpose is to try and keep a lid on the uncomfortable ‘truth of the lie’, which, in my opinion, clearly reveals Gerry and Kate’s involvement in Madeleines disappearance.

Gonçalo’s victory against the McCanns, could now hopefully lead to a re-opening of the case where so many questions remain unanswered. Particularly the 48 revealing questions Kate McCann refused to answer when she was made a suspect.

The McCanns are predictably ‘seething’ with the verdict, but their arrogance shows no bounds, as they prepare to appeal the decision in the Supreme Court — frivolously wasting more cash from the fund set-up to find Madeleine in the process.

I want to take this opportunity to wish Gonçalo my deepest congratulations. I truly hope that this will re-inject much needed attention onto the case and also earn him a tidy-sum from book sales in light of the recent publicity. After-all, this was a man who’s career was ruined, his family ripped apart, his reputation irreversibly tarnished and has spent the last 6 years in and out of court battling the McCanns for simply sharing his opinion on the investigation.

The war may not be over, but this battle has been won and we are one step closer to finding out what really happened to Madeleine McCann…

PLANS to monitor millions of emails, texts and website visits are vital to trap killers like Ian Huntley and smash paedo rings, Theresa May declares today.

Writing in The Sun, the Home Secretary says the new powers are needed to “help police stay one step ahead of the criminals”.

She vows that GCHQ spies will NOT target ordinary people.

Only terror suspects and serious criminals such as Soham child murderer Huntley have anything to fear.

Mrs May insists: “I’m not willing to risk more terrorist plots succeeding and more paedophiles going free.” Her comments come as experts warn that the crackdown — set to cost £2billion over ten years — could backfire.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4235448/Theresa-May-says-web-spies-will-trap-killers-like-Ian-Huntley.html

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Given that, imo, the conviction of Ian Huntley is unsound and given that millions have been spent on the Madeleine McCann so-called 'mystery' I would have zero confidence in anything that Teresa May say or does. Worse, I think she is right up there with BLIAR. She is also starting to looked a bit crazy, just like Blair.

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Theresa May was accused of a child sex abuse cover-up today after she snubbed calls for a super-inquiry which could look at claims against top Tories.

The Home Secretary gave details of three new probes including a police watchdog review of the botched investigations into pervert DJ Jimmy Savile.

But she rejected pleas to merge the eight different inquiries launched in the wake of the Savile scandal into a single one capable of examining all links.

She claimed it would get in the way of police re-investigating care home abuse in North Wales.

Furious Tom Watson, the Labour MP who has raised allegations against three top Tories and a paedophile ring with links to Downing Street, told Mrs May “a narrowed-down investigation is the basic building block of a cover-up”.

He warned: “Many sickening crimes will remain uninvestigated, and some of the most despicable paedophiles will remain protected by the Establishment that has shielded them for 30 years.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/theresa-may-sparks-claims-of-child-sex-1421346

poster wrote:

Wow! Yes Teresa May does imo seem to have  history indeed when it comes to child protection....definitely worth exploring her past in this area.

Her father is/was a man of the cloth - could have something to do with it, but there again it might not.

The UK’s Daily Mirror claims Kate and Gerry McCann “have warned anyone caught selling ex-police chief Gonzalo (sic) Amaral’s book in the UK would face legal action”. But the story fails to address the fact that, right now, there is no legal basis for this tactic. Amaral’s thesis will be returning to bookstores in Portugal next week as both he and his publishers Guerra e Paz have won the civil action lodged against them. It is possible the McCann’s lawyers will argue that the appeal they claim to be lodging with Portugal’s Supreme Court could cover threats of legal action - but this is also debatable, say legal experts. “The book is not held to be defamatory in any jurisdiction in the world”, said one - pointing out at the same time that an appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal is equivalent to an appeal to the House of Lords in Great Britain. “These courts only listen to cases involving important points of law, of general public importance”, he told us. “They are not interested in facts, nor minor squabbles - nor whether the Court of Appeal has made a good or bad decision. “They are only interested if they have to clarify something which the substantive law has not made entirely clear”. In other words, an appeal by the McCann’s to continue their action against former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral “may not even be entertained”, said the source.

http://portugalresident.com/mccanns-threaten-%E2%80%9Canyone-selling-amaral%E2%80%99s-book-in-uk%E2%80%9D-with-legal-action



Found that on FB.

dogs don't lie wrote:The UK’s Daily Mirror claims Kate and Gerry McCann “have warned anyone caught selling ex-police chief Gonzalo (sic) Amaral’s book in the UK would face legal action”. But the story fails to address the fact that, right now, there is no legal basis for this tactic. Amaral’s thesis will be returning to bookstores in Portugal next week as both he and his publishers Guerra e Paz have won the civil action lodged against them. It is possible the McCann’s lawyers will argue that the appeal they claim to be lodging with Portugal’s Supreme Court could cover threats of legal action - but this is also debatable, say legal experts. “The book is not held to be defamatory in any jurisdiction in the world”, said one - pointing out at the same time that an appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal is equivalent to an appeal to the House of Lords in Great Britain. “These courts only listen to cases involving important points of law, of general public importance”, he told us. “They are not interested in facts, nor minor squabbles - nor whether the Court of Appeal has made a good or bad decision. “They are only interested if they have to clarify something which the substantive law has not made entirely clear”. In other words, an appeal by the McCann’s to continue their action against former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral “may not even be entertained”, said the source.

http://portugalresident.com/mccanns-threaten-%E2%80%9Canyone-selling-amaral%E2%80%99s-book-in-uk%E2%80%9D-with-legal-action



Found that on FB.

I really can't see the McCann's appealing/ or being allowed to, to be honest ddl.

I know Costello, and if they were, they surely wouldn't use money that's for searching or...

dogs don't lie wrote:The UK’s Daily Mirror claims Kate and Gerry McCann “have warned anyone caught selling ex-police chief Gonzalo (sic) Amaral’s book in the UK would face legal action”. But the story fails to address the fact that, right now, there is no legal basis for this tactic. Amaral’s thesis will be returning to bookstores in Portugal next week as both he and his publishers Guerra e Paz have won the civil action lodged against them. It is possible the McCann’s lawyers will argue that the appeal they claim to be lodging with Portugal’s Supreme Court could cover threats of legal action - but this is also debatable, say legal experts. “The book is not held to be defamatory in any jurisdiction in the world”, said one - pointing out at the same time that an appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal is equivalent to an appeal to the House of Lords in Great Britain. “These courts only listen to cases involving important points of law, of general public importance”, he told us. “They are not interested in facts, nor minor squabbles - nor whether the Court of Appeal has made a good or bad decision. “They are only interested if they have to clarify something which the substantive law has not made entirely clear”. In other words, an appeal by the McCann’s to continue their action against former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral “may not even be entertained”, said the source.

http://portugalresident.com/mccanns-threaten-%E2%80%9Canyone-selling-amaral%E2%80%99s-book-in-uk%E2%80%9D-with-legal-action



Found that on FB.

I don't think the McCanns have a leg to stand on in this respect. Empty threats. In any event, there is no evidence that Detective Amaral is wrong. Non whatsoever.

Whereas there is considerable EVIDENCE that the McCanns and their friends lied about what happened that week. Inconsistent eye-witness accounts; unjemmied shutters and so much more. And there is NO evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Whereas there is evidence, from the dogs, that a body was in apartment 5A at some stage plus also in the hire car. There is also evidence of blood in the apartment and the hire car.

Early sniffer dogs also became highly agitated outside apartment 5J - which was later examined and found to contain a fridge with the door open and rotting food inside. The dogs are highly trained not to respond to anything apart what they are trained to alert to. Although these were search and rescue dogs rather than blood or cadaver dogs, nevertheless something agitated them and it wouldn't have been rotting food but something much more sinister, imo.

I think the McCanns might have something to fear if Mr. Amaral decides to sue them... a new civil trial might result in a lot of evidence being brought into the court that has been kept out of the other trials...and the media.

poster wrote:

I don't think the McCanns have a leg to stand on in this respect. Empty threats. In any event, there is no evidence that Detective Amaral is wrong. Non whatsoever.

Whereas there is considerable EVIDENCE that the McCanns and their friends lied about what happened that week. Inconsistent eye-witness accounts; unjemmied shutters and so much more. And there is NO evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Whereas there is evidence, from the dogs, that a body was in apartment 5A at some stage plus also in the hire car. There is also evidence of blood in the apartment and the hire car.

Early sniffer dogs also became highly agitated outside apartment 5J - which was later examined and found to contain a fridge with the door open and rotting food inside. The dogs are highly trained not to respond to anything apart what they are trained to alert to. Although these were search and rescue dogs rather than blood or cadaver dogs, nevertheless something agitated them and it wouldn't have been rotting food but something much more sinister, imo.

Actually poster,  nearly everything you wrote there is untrue or irrelevant, except the bit about no evidence she was abducted

Satsuma wrote:

poster wrote:

I don't think the McCanns have a leg to stand on in this respect. Empty threats. In any event, there is no evidence that Detective Amaral is wrong. Non whatsoever.

Whereas there is considerable EVIDENCE that the McCanns and their friends lied about what happened that week. Inconsistent eye-witness accounts; unjemmied shutters and so much more. And there is NO evidence that Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Whereas there is evidence, from the dogs, that a body was in apartment 5A at some stage plus also in the hire car. There is also evidence of blood in the apartment and the hire car.

Early sniffer dogs also became highly agitated outside apartment 5J - which was later examined and found to contain a fridge with the door open and rotting food inside. The dogs are highly trained not to respond to anything apart what they are trained to alert to. Although these were search and rescue dogs rather than blood or cadaver dogs, nevertheless something agitated them and it wouldn't have been rotting food but something much more sinister, imo.

Actually poster,  nearly everything you wrote there is untrue or irrelevant, except the bit about no evidence she was abducted

Can you tell us then what the dogs alerted to in 5a?

Heisenburg wrote:Can you tell us then what the dogs alerted to in 5a?

Yes indeed, Keela alerted to blood from persons unknown. Eddie  alerted to either dried blood or cadaver scent but there is no evidence to suggest a body in 5A , just cadaver scent. That is interesting, maybe even suspicious, but to place a body in 5A and the car is incorrect and may lead to a misleading conclusion. It may have been transferred from somewhere else.  Do you want me to demolish the rest of poster's comments while I'm around?

Satsuma wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:Can you tell us then what the dogs alerted to in 5a?

Yes indeed, Keela alerted to blood from persons unknown. Eddie  alerted to either dried blood or cadaver scent but there is no evidence to suggest a body in 5A , just cadaver scent. That is interesting, maybe even suspicious, but to place a body in 5A and the car is incorrect and may lead to a misleading conclusion. It may have been transferred from somewhere else.  Do you want me to demolish the rest of poster's comments while I'm around?

There you go again with that attitude Satsuma.

This thread is re Goncalo Amaral and his win, if you want to talk about the dog evidence please continue here.

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1218p475-capabilities-of-the-dogs#52303

Not enough sunshine to ripen the fruit.
Also whilst at it old fruit,you couldn't produce a short-list of persons that the cadaver could have come from.

Nice try at trolling me H, let's see what the forum owner has to say about your off-topic contribution, huh? Re the forum owner herself, I thought I was being polite by replying to your  question yet I am accused of having an attitude and posting on the wrong thread.
I am trying to protect the integrity of your forum, Candy.  There are posters on here who appear to be out to destroy your credibility by repeating arguments that have been disproved over and over again.  I won't bother contributing to the  dog thread, thank you, because it's all been said before, yet certain members here continue to claim that Eddie's alerts indicated the presence of a body. Wrong.  
Back on topic, as far as Amaral goes, I admire his tenacity but his theory comes under pressure every time someone suggests the last photo is fixed, that she died before  3rd May, that there was a sub in the creche, etc etc. The appeal court verdict says he is entitled to his professional opinion, but it does not endorse his findings,  and that is very important. Can't anybody on here see that?

It endorses that the theory is right to be discussed, and can you provide a cite to where any one any where in any official capacity that has completely dismissed it as a load of codswallop?

I wouldn't describe the work of the whole police department (not just GA) as simply a theory on what happened.   

It was clear from the evidence in front of them that something was amiss with what they were being told.

But every element of the police investigation, both UK and PJ, has ignored Amaral's theory in the last 8 years. Logistically it's impossible. Too much happening in too short a time period. Something else happened. Re who the cadaver scent may have come from, no idea. Could have been Maddie  but since Eddie's alerts didn't prove the presence of a corpse in 5A (only cadaver scent that could have been transferred from elsewhere), it's impossible to say

Satsuma wrote:But every element of the police investigation, both UK and PJ, has ignored Amaral's theory in the last 8 years.  

Not one of them have come up with another theory,despite nigh on 5 yrs of investigating,despite landscaping in the full glare of the worlds press on their hands and knee's,britains finest have yet to bring any thing that contradicts the original process,unless you have a cite to prove otherwise.

Not being part of the official police investigation, I have no idea what they are pursuing,  and nor does anyone else

Sat there you go again breaking into segments! How do you know what elements have been ignored......they speak of abduction but have homicide officers running the case. We have already discussed the way Police forcesoperate on here and letting slippery little Satsumas into the investigation isn't one of them,come on Sat where's your zest for the truth???

Could someone be taking the pith?

Sorry about that folks.

That is exactly what I was going to say Bampots, how on earth does Satsuma know they have ignored Goncalo's theory/conclusion etc.  -
we simply don't know.

Yes we do, they shelved the case (based on the original police investigation) in July 2008.  Or had you forgotten that?