Goncalo Interview on Portugal TV 23.04.16

http://www.tvtuga.com/cmtv/

Livefeed of G.A talking.

No good if don't understand Portuguese though.

Well I can't wait to see that interview translated in full.

It was good to see and hear the great man speak (even though I didn't understand a word).

He looked in fine fettle and had a lot to talk about.

Christ, I wish I took up Portuguese as a second language.

Alleged from twitter so not fact (no disrespect to anyone intended)..............



Ponce Of Dubai ‏@ThePonceofDubai  · 10m10 minutes ago  

@TheSun Did you miss the interview last night with #Amaral ? Shows the UK police originally confirmed DNA in #Mccann Renault .#youlie




Ponce Of Dubai ‏@ThePonceofDubai  · 15m15 minutes ago  

@lindaweryhur He spoke last night and made mincemeat of the #Mccann lies and introduced new information #Mccanns @TheSun




Helen Baxtor ‏@Blamhappy  · 20m20 minutes ago  

So Amaral also believes the investigation will be archived... #McCann




Isabelle McFabulous ‏@QueenOPortugal  · 6m6 minutes ago  

PT Minister of Internal Affairs on panel w/ Amaral confirms  @CraigMurrayOrg states. Prompt UKgov protection #mccann





Madeleine CaseTweets ‏@McCannCaseTweet  · 1m1 minute ago  

PT Minister of Internal Affairs on panel w/ Amaral supports  @CraigMurrayOrg claims
Prompt UKgov protection #mccann

Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth · 52m52 minutes ago

Does anyone have a translation of Amaral's TV interview last night? Especially the bit about 3 shadows taking a bag to church.

candyfloss wrote:Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth  · 52m52 minutes ago  

Does anyone have a translation of Amaral's TV interview last night? Especially the bit about 3 shadows taking a bag to church.

I was looking in on one of the FB sites after the GA interview and this kind woman was doing her best to translate bits of it.

She said this...

Isabel Oliveira 3 shadows of people seen going to the church during night with a bag . There was a coffin in the church with an old lady that was incinerated next day in Ferreira do Alentejo. This is in a police document
Like · 15 · 8 hrs

candyfloss wrote:Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth  · 52m52 minutes ago  

Does anyone have a translation of Amaral's TV interview last night? Especially the bit about 3 shadows taking a bag to church.

I've read a bit on fb this morning,it's seemingly to do with Madeleine being cremated
in the lady's coffin.

costello wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth  · 52m52 minutes ago  

Does anyone have a translation of Amaral's TV interview last night? Especially the bit about 3 shadows taking a bag to church.

I've read a bit on fb this morning,it's seemingly to do with Madeleine being cremated
in the lady's coffin.

Some one said find the body,didn't they!

Andrew wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth  · 52m52 minutes ago  

Does anyone have a translation of Amaral's TV interview last night? Especially the bit about 3 shadows taking a bag to church.

I was looking in on one of the FB sites after the GA interview and this kind woman was doing her best to translate bits of it.

She said this...

Isabel Oliveira 3 shadows of people seen going to the church during night with a bag . There was a coffin in the church with an old lady that was incinerated next day in Ferreira do Alentejo. This is in a police document
Like · 15 · 8 hrs

Is there some poor soul who witnessed this and can't speak about it I wonder?

I'm sure it will be easier to take in and digest everything from GA's Portuguese TV appearance last night once we see full translations, but I thought it worth posting up what can be described as "facts of the case" disclosed during the show. Maybe other members can add any more such things that arise from it too...?

I took these from the Jill Havern forum, which credits them as being originally sourced from the HDH page on Facebook...


In the documents of KM a timeline is found by police with different times from Russell's

3 shadows of people seen going to the church during night with a bag . There was a coffin in the church with an old lady that was incinerated next day in Ferreira do Alentejo. This is in a police document

The existence of a third timeline is very interesting - not seen that mentioned anywhere, so unsure of the context of exactly when and where it was found.

And interesting to see the church / cremation scenarios popping up.

It's not 100% clear from the thread who is actually saying these, but I take it that they are coming from GA.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/20160424_0930_investiguem_a_tese_de_corpo_incinerado.html

Google translate:

"Investigate the cremated body thesis"

Gonçalo Amaral calls for analysis and reconstruction.


By Sergio A. Vitorino, Tania Laranjo


Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Judicial investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007, in the Algarve, of course: "With the failure of all research and millions spent, we just wanted to discredit our line of research [ Maddie died accidentally and parents hid the body], it is time to refocus the investigation. "

Gonçalo Amaral said yesterday the CM that is now in Portugal, "start with the reconstruction that was never made and the laboratory analysis of evidence that was never truly analyzed, as the hair in the trunk of the car where Madeleine fluids were found."

The investigator in the reform states that it is necessary to follow leads as the "incineration Madeleine's body in a coffin of a British súbdita" and access the medical records of the girl in the UK, which has never been allowed."



I think súbdita translates as subject/citizen.

So the coffin of a British subject/citizen?

I've heard about this thesis before. Yes, it's about an elderly British woman, who died with no relatives, whose coffin was in the PdL church that night before the next day's ceremony and afterwards cremated.

costello wrote:
I've read a bit on fb this morning,it's seemingly to do with Madeleine being cremated
in the lady's coffin.

If it's any help I started a new topic in the General Discussion section on 'new facts' of the case - seems we have a couple of things arising so far from the TV appearance.

Interestingly, a third timeline - belonging to Kate - appears to be mentioned too....

If there were no relatives, I wonder what happened to the ashes ?

seahorse wrote:http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/20160424_0930_investiguem_a_tese_de_corpo_incinerado.html

Google translate:

"Investigate the cremated body thesis"

Gonçalo Amaral calls for analysis and reconstruction.


By Sergio A. Vitorino, Tania Laranjo


Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Judicial investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007, in the Algarve, of course: "With the failure of all research and millions spent, we just wanted to discredit our line of research [ Maddie died accidentally and parents hid the body], it is time to refocus the investigation. "

Gonçalo Amaral said yesterday the CM that is now in Portugal, "start with the reconstruction that was never made and the laboratory analysis of evidence that was never truly analyzed, as the hair in the trunk of the car where Madeleine fluids were found."

The investigator in the reform states that it is necessary to follow leads as the "incineration Madeleine's body in a coffin of a British súbdita" and access the medical records of the girl in the UK, which has never been allowed."



I think súbdita translates as subject/citizen.

So the coffin of a British subject/citizen?

And that's from last nights interview?!?

It's going to be really interesting to see this interview fully translated with subtitles.

I've got my 'how to learn fluent Portuguese in an hour' CD on.

Hopefully someone will beat me to it and get it all up a.s.a.p.

Fascinating stuff.

Have split posts re this interview away from the libel/damages trial win.

Andrew wrote:It's going to be really interesting to see this interview fully translated with subtitles.

I've got my 'how to learn fluent Portuguese in an hour' CD on.

Hopefully someone will beat me to it and get it all up a.s.a.p.

Fascinating stuff.

Oh yes, and hopefully, widely available to view

gbwales wrote:

costello wrote:
I've read a bit on fb this morning,it's seemingly to do with Madeleine being cremated
in the lady's coffin.

If it's any help I started a new topic in the General Discussion section on 'new facts' of the case - seems we have a couple of things arising so far from the TV appearance.

Interestingly, a third timeline - belonging to Kate - appears to be mentioned too....

Have merged your topic here gbwales..

I did see on twitter someone said it was good to see GA emphasise that the last time Madeleine was seen was 5.30 on 3rd.... (don't know as fact if that was said though in the interview).

There was a lot of speculation in 2007 that Madeleine's body had been cremated but iirc, the focus was on animal cremations and a nearby animal crematorium that had been shut. The speculation was that somehow they'd managed to hide Madeleine's body inside the body of an animal that had been taken to the crematorium. But I can see how this might have been a diversionary tactic to divert the speculation away from a more obvious conclusion, that her body had been hidden inside a coffin in the church. This makes complete sense if true. The McCanns asked for the key to the church and had unprecedented access. IIRC there was speculation at the time that her body had been hidden in a coffin but I'm not sure anyone was ever able to identify who had died around that time, or, indeed, IF anyone had died around that time. Obviously if this is true, the police will have had access to all the church records concerning the funeral and the cremation, and they will know what happened to the ashes. If they're lucky, the ashes are still held somewhere. I know from personal experience that sometimes not all of a body is reduced to ashes. Things like teeth and bone fragments often survive the fire. If they are able to identify, for instance, a tooth or a partial tooth that's obviously a child's tooth, then that might be the smoking gun. Or a bone fragment that can be identified as having come from a child rather than an adult. I wonder if you can extract DNA from cremation ashes. If you can't, then I wonder if sometime in the future it would be possible. If so, and the ashes are still held, then it might be something that a Cold Case investigation might solve at some future point.

Interesting development.

I wonder if he had anything further to say on the 'Smith sighting'....

As ridiculously quoted elsewhere the other day.......

'I suspect he might want e.g. to modify what he said about the apparently sincere evidence of members of the Smith family'

Nah - didn't think so either.

Interesting (coincidental) top story on Sky news:

http://news.sky.com/story/1684124/prince-secretly-cremated-by-family-and-friends

Thanks to Costello for pointing me in the right direction to copy and post this up (and thanks to the OP).

OLD INTERVIEW FROM 2013? - not last nights - Admin


Deborah Jayne Law
2 hrs
This is the full transcription
Of last night's interview with Goncalo Amaral on Tv
Anchor - After CMTV screened a reconstitution about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, there were many reactions, that multiplied themselves, mainly because of the various contradictions in the witnesses’ statements.
Voiceover – The case dates back to the 3rd of May of 2007. Six years later, several inconsistencies and contradictions are counted, which contribute to the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine. After the screening of CMTV’s reconstruction relating to the little girl’s disappearance, there were many reactions that multiplied themselves, mainly about the various contradictions that were raised.
One of the inconsistencies has to do with the time of the visit that was done by a friend to the McCann couple. David Payne would have met Gerry at 6.30 p.m., and only afterwards went to see Kate. Until today, it is not known how long the visit took: According to Gerry, Payne was at the location for over half an hour; according to Kate, the visit lasted little over 30 seconds.
Gonçalo Amaral – This is a figure that, I use to say, that is enigmatic, and who was not well investigated. Not a lot is known about this person.
Voiceover – A mysterious man with a profile that is linked to indications of inadequate behaviours towards children. He even used to bathe the daughters of the friends that he spent holidays with.
To CMTV, Gonçalo Amaral and Francisco Moita Flores, former Judiciary Police inspectors, state that this is one of the gaps in the process.
Moita Flores – It is strange, in a group of friends, that one friend bathes the other friends’ children. And that all of this is natural, and nobody questions this from the investigation’s point of view.
Gonçalo Amaral – What weight did it have in the disappearance, if it had any weight at all, and what was going on there with that individual. One is this one, the 30 minutes or the 30 seconds, what he went there to do. The other one is the fact that he always cared to bathe the other people’s daughters.
Voiceover – There is even a concrete episode, which took place on the island of Mallorca, in 2005. David Payne, in the company of Gerry McCann, would have been seen making obscene gestures, while referring to Maddie.
Gonçalo Amaral – Then there is the other moment, that of the obscene gestures he made, in Spain, in Mallorca, where there is a denunciation in May 2007, ten days after the disappearance, by another doctor, who was also on holidays, who knows him and tells the English police about said obscene gestures in the presence of the father.
Voiceover – For Eduardo Dâmaso, joint editor at Correio da Manhã, these indications should have been explored.
Eduardo Dâmaso – All of those indications are much stronger to explore, that enigma that is installed within that group, than the thesis of the abductor. The feeling that I have is –
Voiceover – Some statements by Gerry McCann are also contradictory. To the police, Maddie’s father told different versions about the way that he entered the Ocean Club apartment at 9 p.m. In a first statement, Gerry said he had entered through the front door; later, he changed the statement and said he had entered through the back window. Despite everything, the key was inside the apartment.
For the former Judiciary Police inspector Carlos Anjos, the change in the depositions is an attempt by Gerry to adjust to the facts.
Carlos Anjos – I think he has no certainty whatsoever. That is the big problem. And hence the difficulty, the contradictions they had, all of the contradictions they had, which were verbalized when they gave statements, even the changing of depositions… We at the police use to say that when the depositions start to be changed, it’s an attempt by the witness to adjust the deposition to the fact.
Voiceover – Another inconsistency has to do with the visit of another friend of the couple to the Ocean Club apartment. Matthew Oldfield entered the room, looked to where Maddie and her siblings were. Later on, he said he wasn’t sure whether or not the little girl was in the apartment.
Eduardo Dâmaso – We return to another aspect which, from my point of view, proves that all the indications that exist, which point towards an enigma that is installed within that group, is much stronger than what exists about the possibility of an abduction.
Voiceover – Another question that remains unanswered is the place where Gerry was at 10 p.m. Two Tapas Bar employees said that Gerry was not at the restaurant. According to Gonçalo Amaral, there are only three moments that the authorities are able to locate in time. This is not one of them.
Gonçalo Amaral – As far as accurate times are concerned, there are only three: The time at which they pick up Maddie from the crèche, which is at 5.30 p.m., the time of the payment at the restaurant by the Irish family, which is at 9.22 or 9.27 p.m., and the time of the phone call to GNR, which is at 10.47 p.m. From there on, nothing is certain.
Voiceover - Contributing to the mystery of Gerry’s location at 10 p.m., a statement by a family of Irish tourists, four adults and five children, appears. According to the Smiths, that evening, the family left Kelly’s Bar and headed home at around 10 p.m. Five minutes later, Kate raises the alarm to the disappearance. At the same time, the family crosses ways with a man that carried a blonde child, aged approximately four, wearing a pink pyjama.
Martin Smith, one of the group’s members, gives the police a detailed description. Four months later, already in the United Kingdom, the Smith family sees images of Gerry McCann carrying one of his children. When he sees the image on television, Martin remembers the same man that he had seen in Praia da Luz.
The denunciation was made to the Judiciary Police and the PJ decides to bring him to Portugal. At that time, Gonçalo Amaral, the coordinator, is removed from the investigation, and the new coordinator, Paulo Rebelo, considers that the trip of the Irishman to Portugal is useless.
Six years later, Gonçalo Amaral remains certain that it is important to listen to the witnesses’ statement.
Gonçalo Amaral – It makes all kind of sense to even bring him, and the family, it’s 3 or 4 people more, to Portugal, even to understand how long they took after leaving the Dolphins restaurant, how long they remained in Kelly’s bar, because there is no payment, the payment was not made with a card, we found out the exact time of the payment, not the exit from the restaurant, through the payment, because the payment was made with a bank card. At the bar, it was made in cash, so we don’t know. We don’t know how long they took having their drinks. We don’t know at what time the sighting takes place. It would have been around ten, a bit earlier, a bit later, at around that time, we don’t know exactly at what time it was.
Voiceover – For the former Judiciary Police inspector, the question of the e-fit that appeared at the time ended up taking importance away from the deposition.
Gonçalo Amaral – This family, which is not only one person, says that the person that they saw that night is a certain person. They say it is. Then they say it’s 80%. And then the e-fit – someone appears that looks like a certain person. While they never said it was a person that looked like Gerald McCann. The e-fit has that effect, the effect of devaluating the statement itself.
Voiceover – These are contradictions and inconsistencies that remain unanswered to this day. And adding to all of these questions, a new issue appears: That of the crime of exposure or abandonment [child endangerment], that would have been committed by Kate and Gerry McCann when they left Maddie alone during the night.
Moita Flores – You can be absolutely certain that if this couple was Portuguese, the Public Ministry would have immediately triggered the child protection measures against them. Have no doubts about that. Because in our culture, this is not reasonable nor explainable. And I don’t know if I can even be explained under the light of the Anglo-Saxon culture.
Rui Pereira – At the beginning, the McCanns were obviously suspected of a crime of exposure of abandonment. Obviously. It is evident that it was not easy to make them arguidos right away. Why? Because investigators are also human. And the most immediate sentiment that was experienced was that of a certain compassion towards the parents.
Moita Flores – I understand, with some effort, but I understand that it’s a cultural trait that is different from ours, to leave children far away from the place where we are, and to enjoy ourselves until midnight, from 8.30, 9 p.m. until midnight. I find this hard to believe, for our Latin culture, in which the children are very directly controlled, I find this very difficult.
Voiceover – For Carlos Anjos, all the participants in the case tried to find a way not to be implicated in this crime.
Carlos Anjos – They all knew that they were at stake because of exposure and abandonment, and all of them somehow tried to find a story that would not harm them much, that would not mistreat them much in that situation.
Voiceover – These are reactions that are raised after the exhibition of CMTV’s reconstruction about the disappearance of Maddie. A job that was never done by the Portuguese police.
Gonçalo Amaral – The reconstruction was never done because one awaited the best moment. At the time when everything happened, one thought about the reconstruction, which is normal in such a situation. There were many journalists in Praia da Luz, it was not convenient to do it at that time, due to the apparatus and the spectacle that would be given, it was almost as someone said, necessary to close the air space to make a reconstruction.
Moita Flores – This was decisive. And I don’t know how the police could do it, I understand the difficulties of this media circus that was built there, but it would have been necessary and decisive. Because as can be seen from this reconstruction, and one understands that it follows the statements from the participants in the process, one realises that it is full of contradictions.
Voiceover – For Francisco Moita Flores, the reconstitution by CMTV is more accurate than the one that was shown by the English Crimewatch programme.
Moita Flores – What CMTV just did, I saw the reconstitution that was made by Crimewatch and this one, and one understands that it is like day and night, in terms of accuracy.
Gonçalo Amaral – One has more red wine and the other one shows empty glasses.
Moita Flores – This one has the wine, it has the party, it has the disposition of the people, it has the relationship with the physical space, which is important.
Voiceover – These are reactions that appear after the exhibition of the reconstitution of the moments before and after the disappearance of Madeleine, a case that still prompts much discussion.
Carlos Anjos – This is the most verified case that I can recall in the history of criminal investigation. Countless CDs were made, they were distributed to all of the newspapers, to all of the detective agencies, to all of the policemen. And one thing is objective at this moment in time, just like Gonçalo said: Today we are exactly the same as when the case was closed. This is to say that we are, today, just like we were in 2007. The entire investigative community, that read the process from beginning to end, possibly all of us read it already, there was nobody who said – some have said that this or that could be done, but those are diligences that could hardly have any other result than the one that is there [in the case files].
Voiceover – The doubts remain. The uncertainties about what really happened to Madeleine McCann remain.

Re the link to Prince's funeral, there was a similar arrangement for David Bowie.

This really is just a coincidence, I think!

Just to say that the post I copied and posted over is certainly not the full transcript.

The programme was over an hour long.....

It looks like it's an old one from a few years back after re-reading it.