The Mystery of Ben Needham

Andrew wrote:Just looking at a few old images of the farmhouse.

This one is not dated (but clearly around 1991) and appears to have a red water container there....

That one was from 1994 when Kerry returned for the anniversary.

Andrew wrote:This is a picture posted up by, TTWO, on page 20 of the original thread. There are a few water barrels there.

If you zoom in to the righthand sight, what is that wall? And what are those things that I've circled? A statue and a doll? Maybe it used to one of those shrines that you see in the Med.

I'm probably seeing things, but that creeped me out.

Not seeing things seahorse. They are defo doll heads. Not so sure about the other objects.

I can't make out anything myself in the circles, apart from a blur, Seahorse.

Having said that, yes, I can now see a doll's head in the bottom circle. Not sure if it's real of just an illusion though. Probably the latter.

I thought that about the "face" in the lower circle - maybe just an illusion - and I can't make anything out in the other one.

Guinea Pig wrote:I thought that about the "face" in the lower circle - maybe just an illusion - and I can't make anything out in the other one.  

Having looked at the first one again - I can make out a little dog. Labrador looking.

It's like one of those quizzes on the Games thread. What can you see if you look hard enough...

But yeah, I would say just illusions in my opinion.

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The white-buttoned T-shirt, with a green motif, that Ben was wearing when he disappeared... Has an exact replica of said T-shirt ever been produced and shown at all does anybody know....?

keep heart Hope ,I know how hard your life is in comparison with most people ,I think all on here respect you and your posts ,just we get tied up with stuff at times . The water butt ,is surely we need to examine more.love joyce1938.

It seems by the look of it ,that the small building ,may have not been lived in for years . So the water storage ,may not have existed ,only in pots or barrels .May just have been smallish water containers ,no showering no wash machine etc . just few thoughts on rethinking back to how people possably lived ? joyce1938

Just had a quick look round on the WWW for this particular T-shirt, but can't find anything.

So a quite distinctive T-shirt really with buttons and a green motif but nothing has ever been reproduced to show it.

I would of thought an image of it would've been vitally important to get out there. But apparently not.

According to the book there was a water connection:

"Michaelis .... said Dad could move the caravan up to the site and take advantage of the free water and electricity connections that ran to the dilapidated cottage".

joyce1938 wrote:It seems by the look of it ,that the small building ,may have not been lived in for years . So the water storage ,may not have existed ,only in  pots or barrels .May just have been smallish water containers ,no showering no wash machine etc . just few thoughts on rethinking back to how people possably lived ? joyce1938

Hi Joyce. They weren't living there when Ben disappeared. Just working there and renovating the farmhouse. But they would've needed water supplies on site. Hence the barrels and containers. And one of these barrels was just the right size for Ben to be able to scoop water out of and drench himself. Apparently.

Andrew wrote:Just had a quick look round on the WWW for this particular T-shirt, but can't find anything.

So a quite distinctive T-shirt really with buttons and a green motif but nothing has ever been reproduced to show it.

I would of thought an image of it would've been vitally important to get out there. But apparently not.

"a white shirt with a hint of a green pattern" in the book.

I didn't know about the buttons.

seahorse wrote:According to the book there was a water connection:

"Michaelis .... said Dad could move  the caravan up to the site and take advantage of the free water and electricity connections that ran to the dilapidated cottage".

... water and electricity. Never a good combination.

Just another thought re water on site . yes Andrew I would think it was maybe installed recently before anyone would buy it electrics also?How long had it been derilect .I wonder?Who owned it and how long for ? joyce1938

Hope wrote:Please no apologies esp Canada. I am lying here in tears as a post that took me 2 hours to write vanished before I sent it. It's my stupid laptap and it keeps happening.
For those that believe can you say a little prayer for me tonight, God Bless you all and may the truth about Madeleine and Ben be known. xxx

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If it helps at all, save your post as a draft every so often. That way you can go back and add to it. If it disappears you will still have most of it.
Best wishes.

I don't want to disrupt the current line of thinking etc, but just want to put this article here. It's from 2013. One of Kerry's partners, or someone she loved was murdered... I've never heard of that before.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/ben-needham-kerry-needham-interview

seahorse wrote:

Andrew wrote:Just had a quick look round on the WWW for this particular T-shirt, but can't find anything.

So a quite distinctive T-shirt really with buttons and a green motif but nothing has ever been reproduced to show it.

I would of thought an image of it would've been vitally important to get out there. But apparently not.

"a white shirt with a hint of a green pattern" in the book.

I didn't know about the buttons.

Ben, who went missing in July 1991, was wearing a white buttoned T-shirt with a green motif and brown leather sanders with a buckle when he vanished.

He was not wearing any shorts as he had wet them earlier in the day and his grandmother had hung them on a tree to dry.

Detective Inspector Jon Cousins, who is leading the new search, said the pieces of fabric - one of which was six inches square - were of 'slight interest'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809263/Ben-Needham-police-items-slight-discover-fabric-toddler-s-clothes-dig-body.html

ETA:

Police officers are looking for buttons of the shirt that Ben was wearing that day and the buckle from his shoe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/714940/Police-in-Ben-Needham-hunt-scraps-Kos-slight-interest

joyce1938 wrote:Just another thought re water on site . yes Andrew I would think it was maybe installed recently before anyone would buy it  electrics also?How long had it been derilect .I wonder?Who owned it and how long for ? joyce1938

Hello joyce.   I've been reading up a bit about Kos.  There are water reservoirs and water from a mountain range, so contrary to what I imagined there probably would be mains water available.
I'm not really sure about that little old building being on mains water and electricity though, seems odd to me.
Expensive to get both installed - wonder if they accessed facilities from the big house across the road?


eta - just a thought, but maybe there is/was a bore hole for water?

@Bluebell - see Seahorse's post @11:34 about the comment in the book.

Andrew wrote:I don't want to disrupt the current line of thinking etc, but just want to put this article here. It's from 2013. One of Kerry's partners, or someone she loved was murdered... I've never heard of that before.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/ben-needham-kerry-needham-interview

I think that it is mentioned in her book but I can't recall the details.

Andrew wrote:@Bluebell - see Seahorse's post @11:34 about the comment in the book.

Thanks Andrew = I did see Seahorse's post before I wrote that. Just odd to me, water (or electricity) isn't free is it, so just made me wonder.

Will say in my defence for asking stupid questions that I have several friends who live in the areas of small villages in Spain. Years ago one couple had no mains water or electric (not unusual) and their water was delivered by tanker and stored in their own little reservoir. Another couple were only connected to mains water last year - their water previously was from their own rainwater collection stored in a sort of brick built pool. Just made me compare situations.

Freedom wrote:

Andrew wrote:I don't want to disrupt the current line of thinking etc, but just want to put this article here. It's from 2013. One of Kerry's partners, or someone she loved was murdered... I've never heard of that before.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/ben-needham-kerry-needham-interview

I think that it is mentioned in her book but I can't recall the details.

You're right Freedom.

His name was Mick Baxendale. Stabbed to death in 1998.

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=2447&termRef=Michael%20Baxendale

bluebell wrote:

Andrew wrote:@Bluebell - see Seahorse's post @11:34 about the comment in the book.

Thanks Andrew = I did see Seahorse's post before I wrote that.   Just odd to me, water (or electricity) isn't free is it, so just made me wonder.

Will say in my defence for asking stupid questions that I have several friends who live in the areas of small villages in Spain.    Years ago one couple had no mains water or electric (not unusual) and their water was delivered by tanker and stored in their own little reservoir.   Another couple were only connected to mains water last year - their water previously was from their own rainwater collection stored in a sort of brick built pool.  Just made me compare situations.

It's not a stupid question Bluebell.

I can't see any electricity cables overhead in the 1991 picture of the farmhouse. It might have been an informal agreement with neighbours. Things were probably not that regulated back then.

I agree, it wouldn't have been free, unless Michaelis was paying for it and throwing it in for free.

Or it could just be inaccurate in the book.