Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 9:56 pm

@Mo - My red blob for the 2nd search site.

The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 23 Kos1110

TheTruthWillOut Tue 01 Nov 2016, 9:57 pm

Hope wrote:I mentioned weeks ago about lack of nappies and was he toilet trained. Mimi I would not take how hot it was too seriously.I hear that people over here will always be exaggerating the exact temperature once it goes over 30 ish.

I think you may probably be right, Hope.

Not that I think it relevant to the case but I looked up the records of the temperature and the hottest temp recorded in Kos in July 1991 was 35c on the 13th so the 24th would have been lower than that.
The temperature was recorded at Kos Airport which is ~15 miles from the farmhouse.

https://weatherspark.com/history/32189/1991/Kos-South-Aegean-Greece

Mo Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:08 pm

Andrew wrote:@Mo - My red blob for the 2nd search site.

Hmm, it looked closer tut, never mind.

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:16 pm

What you thought Kerry's apt was closer to the 2nd search site?

Do you have a link for Richard Hall's video on the Needham case? I didn't know he did one but to be fair I've not really seen any of his stuff apart from a few of the Madeleine vids he's done.

**Freedom** Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:19 pm

That's news to me too. I'll be interested to see it.

P.S. Is this it?

http://www.richplanet.net/starship.php

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:23 pm

Helenmeg wrote:Christine lives in Lincolnshire.

Andrew - have you come to any conclusions or thoughts about what may have happened to Ben..and who may have been involved?
I think a family member may have been involved but I do not think Kerry was aware of this - but may be now...

When that article by their lawyer said that the family were now 'reflecting' - I think that some family members have been given time to come to terms with something pretty big.

Also, reading Textusa, (which I obviously do) she is hinting at something (but I just cant quite get it...) ..
I feel confused.. I just dont get it!

Hiya - Nothing concrete obviously and only what I've alluded to on here from following it all and looking deeper into it.

I certainly think a family member/s was/were involved but in regards to Kerry herself, then I just can't put my finger on that one as yet.

My own personal opinion is that she found out many years later exactly what happened. But that's just my personal take on it.

Mo Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:26 pm

It's not all about the Ben Needham case, scroll to 9:27

https://youtu.be/zsAvoQg9boI

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:29 pm

Freedom wrote:That's news to me too. I'll be interested to see it.

P.S. Is this it?

http://www.richplanet.net/starship.php

It looks like it. I skipped a bit and about 9 mins in.... 'some of the researchers that have helped me in the Madeleine McCann case have also helped me on this......' or something similar. So he's probably reading off a script that Bennett typed up.

Will watch the rest of that another time if ever.

Helenmeg Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:40 pm

Andrew wrote:
Helenmeg wrote:Christine lives in Lincolnshire.

Andrew - have you come to any conclusions or thoughts about what may have happened to Ben..and who may have been involved?
I think a family member may have been involved but I do not think Kerry was aware of this - but may be now...

When that article by their lawyer said that the family were now 'reflecting' - I think that some family members have been given time to come to terms with something pretty big.

Also, reading Textusa, (which I obviously do) she is hinting at something (but I just cant quite get it...) ..
I feel confused.. I just dont get it!

Hiya - Nothing concrete obviously and only what I've alluded to on here from following it all and looking deeper into it.

I certainly think a family member/s was/were involved but in regards to Kerry herself, then I just can't put my finger on that one as yet.

My own personal opinion is that she found out many years later exactly what happened. But that's just my personal take on it.

Thanks - they're convincing actors anyway - more so than the McCanns

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:43 pm

Most definitely reading off a Bennett script. Ended up watching a bit more of it.

Mo Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:48 pm

Andrew wrote:What you thought Kerry's apt was closer to the 2nd search site?

Do you have a link for Richard Hall's video on the Needham case? I didn't know he did one but to be fair I've not really seen any of his stuff apart from a few of the Madeleine vids he's done.

Yes I thought the apt was closer.

TheTruthWillOut Tue 01 Nov 2016, 10:52 pm

Andrew wrote:Most definitely reading off a Bennett script. Ended up watching a bit more of it.

It is interesting that Rich doesn't name check the "researchers"? If I was sad enough I'd put in a FOI request to Rich for who his source is....

I have to say Richard does seem like a intelligent chap but I don't understand why he chases the conspiracy angle so hard. One thing you can be sure of is that the government is far too inefficient to do most of the things he thinks are conspiracies!

Andrew Tue 01 Nov 2016, 11:04 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Andrew wrote:Most definitely reading off a Bennett script. Ended up watching a bit more of it.

It is interesting that Rich doesn't name check the "researchers"? If I was sad enough I'd put in a FOI request to Rich for who his source is....

I have to say Richard does seem like a intelligent chap but I don't understand why he chases the conspiracy angle so hard. One thing you can be sure of is that the government is far too inefficient to do most of the things he thinks are conspiracies!

Intelligent or gullible.

I said it before ages ago, but I think he just loves a conspiracy. I also think that he's probably so preoccupied with UFO's and cattle mutilations and the like, that he hasn't got the time nor interest to look at other things like this, so rely's on people like Bennett sending him long letters in blue ink to read.

No doubt they'll fall out soon though.

**Freedom** Wed 02 Nov 2016, 2:19 pm

I'm having trouble getting past 1.30 on the video where he pronounces Chichester as Chy-chester!

Not to mention the bit about the real motivation behind home improvement shows......

P.S. I have now watched the Needham bit. A factual error that should have been avoided was referring to younger brother Danny as being 15 instead of 11 and to Ben as 20 months old, though I suppose that is acceptable as he was five days short of being 21 months.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 8:21 am

I wonder why the Needhams haven't publicly come out and said that the SYP / digger theory is impossible?

Impossible as according to them (a long time ago), it was extremely quiet and Dino wasn't working at the time Ben disappeared?

**Freedom** Thu 03 Nov 2016, 8:29 am

That is a good point, Andrew.

I was just thinking that, however the "abductors" turned up - whether on foot, by car, pony and trap or alien spaceship - how did nobody hear or see them as it was so quiet at the time?

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 8:43 am

Exactly.

Now they've gone on record (Leighanne has - been pushed to the front), to say that they can't accept that finding Ben's toy car equates to him being dead - which is fair enough - but then why not question the theory behind it.... scratch

That said about the car though, are they still 90% it's his? Or 100%? (Of course Leighanne wouldn't know this)

chirpyinsect Thu 03 Nov 2016, 8:48 am

Freedom wrote:I'm having trouble getting past 1.30 on the video where he pronounces Chichester as Chy-chester!

Not to mention the bit about the real motivation behind home improvement shows......

P.S. I have now watched the Needham bit. A factual error that should have been avoided was referring to younger brother Danny as being 15 instead of 11 and to Ben as 20 months old, though I suppose that is acceptable as he was five days short of being 21 months.

He also said that the whole family were living at the farmhouse.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 8:54 am

You can't blame Richard for that though. All he was doing was reading Bennett's letter word for word. "The Researcher"

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 9:26 am

I watched a bit of this last night. From 12 ish mins in to about 24 mins is all about Ben Needham. I don't think it's already on here but I've not seen it before. From 2011.

chrissie Thu 03 Nov 2016, 9:43 am

Andrew wrote:Exactly.

Now they've gone on record (Leighanne has - been pushed to the front), to say that they can't accept that finding Ben's toy car equates to him being dead - which is fair enough - but then why not question the theory behind it....

That said about the car though, are they still 90% it's his? Or 100%? (Of course Leighanne wouldn't know this)

According to this article:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2092788/ben-needhams-sister-reveals-family-thought-missing-tot-had-been-found-when-cops-came-to-tell-them-he-was-dead/

Tests are being completed on the car to determine whether it was Ben's or not.

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:09 am

Hi Chrissie. Obviously SYP are convinced it's Ben's hence why they all packed up and went home after it was found, regardless of 'test results'.

I meant were the Needhams still only 90% sure and not committing (implicating) themselves to it being 100%...

seahorse Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:19 am

Andrew wrote:I watched a bit of this last night. From 12 ish mins in to about 24 mins is all about Ben Needham. I don't think it's already on here but I've not seen it before. From 2011.

Thanks Andrew. There's some interesting footage in there from the old farmhouse.

The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 23 Farmho10

ETA: I think the pictures below are taken facing away from the farmhouse, and is of the building to the right of the stone house.

The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 23 Farmho11

The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 23 Farmho12

chrissie Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:20 am

Andrew wrote:Hi Chrissie. Obviously SYP are convinced it's Ben's hence why they all packed up and went home after it was found, regardless of 'test results'.

I meant were the Needhams still only 90% sure and not committing (implicating) themselves to it being 100%...

Hi Andrew, I agree that it is a possibility and the car is a question mark for me.

I suppose though unless tests are being carried out ( if true) no one can be 100% it was Ben's. And even if it turns out that it is, I can't see how that can make SYP arrive at the conclusion they have scratch

Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 10:43 am

The second picture appears to be of a similar view to this more recent one....

The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 23 Ben_ne10

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