General Election Discussion - before and after the event

She has a majority of 29,000, can that be overturned?  Big ask.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidenhead_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Dee Coy wrote:I enjoyed this. Humorously lays bare what's staring us all in the face if only our media would let us see:

Hi Dee - So glad someone else appreciates Jimmy Dore

candyfloss wrote:She has a majority of 29,000, can that be overturned?  Big ask.

So is £40K. If you were living there, would you find that cost to you desirable?

Don't know who this Lowkey bloke is but here's another goodie 

Looked him up cos he said some pertinent things. He`s a rapper (but obviously an intelligent one who is able to speak in English and only has a faint Ali G tinge!). Absolutely hate rap myself, but he`s produced lots of rapping videos on current humanitarian affairs. A controversial one was banned (by whom I don`t know) called Obamanation.

Only 19 days to go,thank god.

Heisenburg wrote:Only 19 days to go,thank god.

I think the best piece of political commentary I ever heard was the person who described the two main political parties as "two cheeks of the same arse".

See also; No matter who you vote for, you always get the government.

unreorganised wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:Only 19 days to go,thank god.

I think the best piece of political commentary I ever heard was the person who described the two main political parties as "two cheeks of the same arse".

See also; No matter who you vote for, you always get the government.

Just to extend your metaphor ( which I like very much) some cheeks are fatter and grubbier than others aren't they?

unreorganised wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:Only 19 days to go,thank god.

I think the best piece of political commentary I ever heard was the person who described the two main political parties as "two cheeks of the same arse".

See also; No matter who you vote for, you always get the government.

Mark Twain:"If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”

I "love" Mark Twain.
And the Marx brothers.
Especially Groucho.

Châtelaine wrote:I "love" Mark Twain.
And the Marx brothers.
Especially Groucho.

You are Verdi and I claim my five pounds

"“ The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made" - Groucho Marx
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" I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER."

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" I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER."

Groucho I believe.

Tim Shipman‏ @ShippersUnbound · 33m33 minutes ago
 YouGov/Sunday Times
Tory lead into single figures, the lowest since last year. May's lead has halved in a week

The Dementia tax backlash...

Perhaps I`ve got a wonky perspective on this dementia tax thingey. I can`t see why people are complaining when TM has increased the allowable residue to £100,000, when you used to have to use nearly ALL your money/assets, but later it increased to £23,000.

When my Mum was in a home in the 80s/90s, she had to use all her assets except £3,000. Ironically as soon as her assets had diminished down to £3,000., the government increased the allowance to £6,000. It is now £23,000 or thereabouts and TM is planning to increase it to £100,000, which IMO is darned generous.

Am I looking at this wrongly?

Mimi wrote:Perhaps I`ve got a wonky perspective on this dementia tax thingey.  I can`t see why people are complaining when TM has increased the allowable residue to £100,000, when you used to have to use nearly ALL your money/assets, but later it increased to £23,000.  

When my Mum was in a home in the 80s/90s, she had to use all her assets except £3,000. Ironically as soon as her assets had diminished down to £3,000., the government increased the allowance to £6,000.  It is now £23,000 or thereabouts and TM is planning to increase it to £100,000, which IMO is darned generous.

Am I looking at this wrongly?

That was  just savings I believe Mimi, now it is all your assets which includes your house.... so basically anyone who owns a home will have to now pay.  I think before your house was yours and you didn't have to touch those assests.  I may be wrong about it though.

That's right, Candyfloss, it used to be just savings for home care although owning your own home has always been included in residential care assessments.

candyfloss wrote:

Mimi wrote:Perhaps I`ve got a wonky perspective on this dementia tax thingey.  I can`t see why people are complaining when TM has increased the allowable residue to £100,000, when you used to have to use nearly ALL your money/assets, but later it increased to £23,000.  

When my Mum was in a home in the 80s/90s, she had to use all her assets except £3,000. Ironically as soon as her assets had diminished down to £3,000., the government increased the allowance to £6,000.  It is now £23,000 or thereabouts and TM is planning to increase it to £100,000, which IMO is darned generous.

Am I looking at this wrongly?

That was  just savings I believe Mimi, now it is all your assets which includes your house.... so basically anyone who owns a home will have to now pay.  I think before your house was yours and you didn't have to touch those assests.  I may be wrong about it though.

I thought you had to sell your house, my Mum did. She sold her flat, got £15,000 (or something like that) and then used it all right down to £3,000 before she could go on benefits and they would pay.

So being able to keep £100,000 is fantastic IMO. It means there will be all that money to bequeath. If you don`t want to sell your house you can defer making any payments for your care by your local council lending it to you until you die, then they can re-coup it from the residue of your estate (plus interest of course !). But whether your beneficiaries will still be entitled to £100,000 of it, I really don`t know.

I realise that the more your house is worth, the longer you can live without having to claim benefits, because there will be a ton of money in the pot. I suppose it`s going to be a disappointment to the beneficiaries of wealthy house owners because they will dip out. I`ve always said, it`s no point having money/assets because it means your kids will want you to pop-off early. Well, some kids anyway !

I may have this totally wrong - I don`t know where to find the facts unless AgeUK are up to date :

http://www.ageuk.org.uk/home-and-care/care-homes/the-means-test-and-your-property/

If an elderly relative went into a care home it's always been the case you've had to sell your home but owning a home and having capitol below the theshold before meant a care package could be put in place

coppernob wrote:If an elderly relative went into a care home it's always been the case you've had to sell your home but owning a home and having capitol below the theshold before meant a care package could be put in place

Hi coppernob,

So say I had a house valued about £300,000 (I haven`t btw) and savings of about £10,000 (I haven`t), that means my total assets would be valued at £310,000. At the moment I would have to sell my house and pay care home fees until I only had £27,000 left, then the government or local council would pay - is that right?

Ah, just realised I wouldn`t be able to get any benefits until I had less than £10,000. left.

Oh, now I`m really confused

It won't be free no matter who is in power, we are taxed to death until we drop, and then we are taxed some more!!

Hark at the signs going up around London


Susie Stewart‏ @susiepip · 31m31 minutes ago
 
People are putting up 'Strong and stable my arse' signs up across London

My son was telling me about that yesterday. He was until then thinking of voting Tory!

I must say Labour are going up in my estimation by the day.  I just wish they weren`t so liberal in their attitude - they seem to accept all creeds and wacky sexual orientations and behaviours and give out money to all and sundry - this leads to the disintegration of a country.

Oh well as many people point out - it matters not who you vote for, they are all puppets of Israel.

ETA I think Jeremy Corbyn would stand up against Israel`s influence but they always win in the end because they dominate everything.