The Australian "Madeleine McCann" case

So 'totally excluded' then....

How can they be so sure.. Have they done a DNA match already then.

Have they told the 'Maddie Brit Cops' before they hop on a plane.

Or have they just said this to stop the worldwide speculation that's snowballed.

In that case, there will be no need for officers from OG to be hot-footing it to Australia.

Andrew wrote:So 'totally excluded' then....

How can they be so sure.. Have they done a DNA match already then.

Have they told the 'Maddie Brit Cops' before they hop on a plane.

Or have they just said this to stop the worldwide speculation that's snowballed.

Makes you wonder ,so she has been completely ruled out , yet all the hype .Perhaps they have just found new evidence to rule her out. Have to go with what they say , or maybe they did not want the British Police  interfering.

Maybe there will be a Press Conference later then to give the reasoning of how they can say with certainty at this stage that Madeleine McCann has been 'totally excluded'.

They must have some evidence then if they can confirm this.

Yes Froggy, there will perhaps be a few disappointed OG officers with packed suitcases.

Andrew wrote:So 'totally excluded' then....

How can they be so sure.. Have they done a DNA match already then.

Have they told the 'Maddie Brit Cops' before they hop on a plane.

Or have they just said this to stop the worldwide speculation that's snowballed.

It certainly sounds like it.  Also, it's possible that Maddie did not have fair hair, but dark reddish-auburn.  As for the "Brits On A Plane", I think that's just something the papers made up.

I do hope they find the family of that poor baby, but it's strange that nobody has spoken up.  Surely you'd miss a three year old from your house, unless she was in a dodgy care home or something.

I'm impressed and positively "re-charged" with these internaute results. People on blogs and fora identifying clothing, suitcase and quilt. Châpeau for these "armchair-detectives".

What a coincidence that PM Cameron flying around in South East Asia, we'll see if there will be an unscheduled visit down under.

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Bampots wrote:Could the whole thing just be a "wayout" machine for TM? Body found don't know who did it tho file ready to boot up if more evidence found , so lets keep an open file if evidence should ever appear.....neatly side stepping Portugal! Old Aussie buddies with reciprocity of DNA data side stepping Interpol( keep it among friends eh!) It's ff'n genius! No wonder Kate looked so relaxed on the cycle tour,sorry I mean run of GB. Scary IMO

This is what I fear. Endgame starting?

If no-one claims this poor little soul (and who would after taking such painstaking lengths to hide the identity for 8 years) I fear this is what the British PTB will seize upon as the opportunity they've been waiting for. Is this what the reports of OG flying out to Australia are all about - the Brits are staking their claim in the absence of another party claiming the body is known and accounted for? And is this why those reports have been whooshed?

I think Australian 60 minutes/Exaro will have something to say about that if this is what they're (OG) thinking.

Generally Australians tell things how they are and won't be "bullied".

I did read a few days ago (although can't remember where now) that the Australian police were looking into a family, parents with a young girl, who went missing from a religious sect/commune many years ago and haven't been seen since.

If the child died whilst the parents were on the run from the sect/commune and was put in a suitcase, an unsuspecting member of the public may have come across it by accident and put it by the side of the road to be found by someone else if they didn't want to get involved with a police investigation for some reason.

The sects/communes can be scary if any of their own turn against them, may be why the family went on the run and laid low hoping not to be found.

Just some thoughts but probably well off track.

Perhaps OG rang them and told them it wasn't, because they know . . . . but just can't prove it. Yet.

PeterMac wrote:Perhaps OG rang them and told them it wasn't, because they know  . . . . but just can't prove it.  Yet.

Yes, that thought went through my head also, but didn't want to mention it.

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:

PeterMac wrote:Perhaps OG rang them and told them it wasn't, because they know  . . . . but just can't prove it.  Yet.

Yes, that thought went through my head also, but didn't want to mention it.  

It also answered my inner question as to why the McCanns were not jumping up and down, offering to send DNA samples, demanding answers etc etc. Perhaps they also just know that it can't possibly be Maddie, and why.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/front-page-news/task-force-mallee-rules-out-madeleine-mccann#.VbjpOrNViko

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Task Force Mallee rules out Madeleine McCann

29 Jul 2015 4:15pm


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Missing UK girl Madeleine McCann has been ruled out as the victim in the South Australia Police inquiry into a child's remains found at Wynarka earlier this month.
The officer in charge of the SA Police Major Crime Investigation Branch, Detective Superintendent Des Bray today said that 43 children had now been eliminated as potential victims.

"I can confirm that Madeleine McCann has been totally excluded as a potential victim and UK Police have been advised," he said. "Task Force Mallee has no further comment to make about this line of inquiry."

To date there have been 511 reports made to Crime Stoppers since the child's remains were found - along with a faded suitcase, items of clothing and a degraded quilt - near the Karoonda Highway about 2km west of the Wynarka township in the Murray Mallee region on 15 July.

What police know about the child:

* Believed to be a girl

* Aged 2.5-4 years at time of death

* Likely Caucasian

* Had fair hair, 18cm long

* Was 90-95cm tall

* Was killed at another location

* Was killed some time since the start of 2007

Anyone who has any information that may assist the investigation, is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or report online at https://sa.crimestoppers.com.au

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How the hell can the SA police be so sure it`s not MBM? How would they know unless they had determined the DNA of the skeleton which, last time I heard, they were having difficulty analysing because it was so degraded.

And here we also have the McCanns talking as if it`s definitely not MBM. How the hell do they know ?
Are they just going on the clothes, because they could have all been replaced.

Note the hair is 18 cms long which also corresponds with all the other details given about the skeleton - the only thing to query is the clothes.

btw - I don`t think it is MBM because of the distance, but it`s odd the McCanns are saying its not at this early stage.

They accept comments and discussion about other missing and dead children on their pages. Why is all discussion about this poor wee mite forbidden?

Mimi,  I don't know if you saw PeterMac's post at 1.30 p.m. on the previous page (page 12), I think that may sum it up, and the fact that the McCanns know it isn't Madeleine.  Resistor also posted at the bottom of the same page.

Yep, saw that, but thought I`d post the SA police statement - because I couldn`t actually believe police officers would come to such a conclusion base purely on the clothes - surely they`re not that stupid.

Right, even if OG or the McCanns have contacted them and said it`s not MBM, don`t tell me they`re just going to accept that.  Surely the only way is through an exact DNA match. I may be wrong tho` - what do us amateur sleuths know after all !!

Perhaps its the DNA samples from Kate and Gerry is what has scared team McCann....
Maybe they could never prove that they were biological parents even if the real Madeleine turned up deceased or alive....


Oh I must get a grip of myself

Perhaps they already have Madeleine's DNA on record. Wasn't there another Australian child,( a live one) that was checked because of claims that she was Madeleine?

Yes that does ring a bell and, as I have mentioned before, I heard that a DNA test was done when the remains of the child called Baby Grace were found in America.

froggy wrote:Perhaps they already have Madeleine's DNA on record. Wasn't there another Australian child, A live one) that was checked because of claims that she was Madeleine.

Yes they could have MBM`s DNA on record I suppose, but I don`t think they`ve determined the skeleton`s DNA yet.

Mimi wrote:Yep, saw that, but thought I`d post the SA police statement - because I couldn`t actually believe police officers would come to such a conclusion base purely on the clothes - surely they`re not that stupid.

Right, even if OG or the McCanns have contacted them and said it`s not MBM, don`t tell me they`re just going to accept that.  Surely the only way is through an exact DNA match. I may be wrong tho` - what do us amateur sleuths know after all !!

I don't think the police would have based anything on the clothes which were found in the suitcase, but if SY and PJ have a good reason to believe that Madeleine died in Portugal it's not much point the SA wasting their time looking into the fact that the body could be that of Madeleine's. No doubt SY would have advised the SA of that fact.

I very much doubt that the McCanns would contact the SA, what I meant was that the message left on their official webpage stated that they don't want people causing a nuisance suggesting it might be Madeleine (of course if they know it's not Madeleine, they wouldn't want to be bothered with hundreds of messages that it might be.)

Posters have been talking about the distance to Australia and how could a body be transported. Probably not by air, but very easy by container ship - there are hundreds of them crossing oceans continally, many to Australia, so it`s not out of the question. Every container cannot be checked.

Mimi wrote:Posters have been talking about the distance to Australia and how could a body be transported.  Probably not by air, but very easy by container ship - there are hundreds of them crossing oceans continally, many to Australia, so it`s not out of the question.  Every container cannot be checked.

You have a point there, but the most likely scenario (IMO) to have disposed of a body would have been in the inflatable poster that was brought across from the UK, spent about 3 days in Spain/Portugal motoring around then went back to the UK.  I wonder if it was ever checked by border patrol, or if it was waved through because it was the "McCanns" who were treated like Royalty at the time, their actions and motives couldn't be questioned, God forbid anyone who upset them or asked the wrong questions, their head would be for the chop.

ETA:  I've found this news item from the BBC regarding the inflatable billboard, 28th May 2007, that's not far off the 28 days after the McCanns hired the car which Madeleine's DNA was found in.  If Madeleine's body was transported in the car somewhere out in the countryside to coincide with the travels of the inflatable billboard who would know or see what was transferred to the billboard lorry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6698215.stm

I doubt this skeleton is MBM personally, but I can`t agree with posters saying it`s not possibly her.

She could still have died in 5A, carried to cold storage or to someone who would put her in cold storage. Later taken on a boat to a shipping harbour or straight to a container ship and off she goes.

Again, I don`t actually think it will be MBM.

From speculation to a spectacular its not her is a bit suss....But, I suppose what choice do I have to disbelieve it. The merrygoround continues.
The Daily Star headline was taken down after 10 minutes. Surely they must be scratching their heads wondering how it all turned about face so soon also.