Operation Grange

You won't see me commenting on OG.
"Justice works in silence" to quote Dr. Amaral.
And it has been extremely silent lately ...

That's right, it's not a soap opera. OG do not have to tell us anything.

If anybody believes OG is a genuine investigation for the truth how do you explain Matt Baggott being rewarded with a CBE and then a Knighthood in Jan 2015

He through his officers have done everything to hinder the search for Madeleine by the PJ from the start

This is a matter of public record

On whose orders and for what reason will never be investigated by OG
The Establishment look after their own and reward them accordingly its what they do.

Any one have any actual evidence that OG
is still in existence?

It'll only take one person (NW hopefully) to do the job they're payed for and have the googlies to do so. They don't even need to have them, a big enough heart will do.
IMO

The "world respected" BBC in conjunction with  "elite detectives" of the Met, a team called OG, came together at great expense, to produce for the great British plebs, Crimewatch, the accurate account of May 3rd 2007.

This was/is the definite account after checking and rechecking every fact and examining every detail.  This was not for people on the internet, with some interest and knowledge in the case, but for the vast majority of the public (the gullible).

Some obviously have faith in everything they were told and led to believe by the OG leader was true and this is fine.
Many believe its a "crock of shit" cobbled together to protect a mottley gang of liars, fraudsters and  much, much worse.

Every day it becomes more and more obvious that from day one and we cannot be sure when that was, TPTB have thrown everything against Portugal and the PJ to prevent a resolution.  Why that was/is,  is also becoming more obvious and what a disgusting bunch they are, when they are exposed to scrutiny.

How do they get away with it?  By good well meaning people believing that our Police, Doctors, and MP's will do the right thing, when all the evidence shows the opposite.

Did CC Matt Baggott do the right thing by Madeleine?

Did Doctors Kate, Gerry, Fiona, Dave, Russell or Matt etc., do the right thing by Madeleine?

Did Stu Prior do the right thing by Madeleine? .......and on and on and on.

In fact, the only name that comes to mind for doing the right thing by Madeleine, is Gonçalo Amaral and look what has happened to him.

Drowning in shit

while Baggott gets a CBE, Knighthhood and massive pension and very few ask why.  

Strange world, but this is the UK!

Yes I have to agree with you JJ, I falter sometimes with Operation Grange I actually believe they are trying to find an end to all this, but it seems an impossible task for them, my only hope justice will be served is by way of Dr. Amaral and social media.

But justice won't be served by a retired policeman and a social media campaign, neither has any jurisdiction to bring criminal charges...and that is what will finally put this case to rest.

And yes, I do still have faith in Operation Grange

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-wanted-jimmy-savile-5868110

No faith whatsoever...we live in la la land.

How Savile seduced the royals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3122130/How-Savile-seduced-royals-s-claimed-nearly-godfather-Harry-predatory-DJ-wormed-way-heart-Palace-life.html

We are being played with...Charlie ? Did you ever find out who sent you that information about Madeleines disappearance ?....Thought not...
Its all a game, a very cryptic game.....IMHO

As Amaral said..."We will know the truth once MI5 open the case files".......
MI5 have been playing the system from bottom up, top down, inside out. Everyone is up for sale IMHO....

All security, Intelligence or whatever you want to call it, allowed an aging Disc Jockey to roam the halls of Buckingham Palace totally unchallenged.....Kate and Gerry are unchallenged also.

If this was a cover up or a chance to wrap it up, it would have been done and dusted long ago and IMO, there's no way in hell would OG leave smithman hanging on as the no1 prime suspect.

All OG have to do is produce a report saying in effect that after an exhausting 4 yrs investigating all aspects of the case there is not enough evidence to bring about a successful conviction,job done.

Seen a tweet Just now (won't copy) asking how "Amy's" chat with OG went? Any ideas?

Is that one of the nannies or the receptionist.

I think she was one of the nannies, but have to be careful with Twitter, probably nothing in it.

I have to say I have never had much hope with OG. I was interested at first, then when they said that the McCanns were not involved in their inquiries I lost what bit of hope I had. Then after the first six months I just thought that if they had not seen the obvious before this then there is no hope.

dogs don't lie wrote:I think she was one of the nannies, but have to be careful with Twitter, probably nothing in it.

Thanks. According to a post over the way she was interviewed under caution.

kylie wrote:

dogs don't lie wrote:I think she was one of the nannies, but have to be careful with Twitter, probably nothing in it.

Thanks. According to a post over the way she was interviewed under caution.

Ohhhhh

Connie wrote:I have to say I have never had much hope with OG.  I was interested at first, then when they said that the McCanns were not involved in their inquiries I lost what bit of hope I had.    Then after the first six months I just thought that if they had not seen the obvious before this then there is no hope.  

Hi Connie, welcome to the forum

I know how you feel, its vexing isn't it? I honestly don't know what Grange are up to, but they may be in the infuriating position of not having enough evidence for a conviction. They will be up against a formidable legal team and their case needs to be watertight. I see this case as being very similar to that of Jonbenet Ramsey, where the Boulder police were afraid to risk a trial for fear the Ramseys would 'walk' if they did not have enough to prove their case.

Unfortunately, there are many similar cases worldwide where police 'know' exactly who is responsible for a crime but are unable to act because of lack of evidence. It is astonishing that these 'murderers' are able to continue living among us and carrying on with their lives. I don't know how detectives live with this very frustrating situation, but live with they must. Of course, every police force has its' 'finishers' - detectives who are touched by a victim's story, and will never give up until justice is done. If I were the McCanns, I would be extremely unnerved by that £1,000 donation to Goncalo's Fund from the Metropolitan police - many of whom are probably parents themselves and of course, crimes against children are considered especially heinous.

Hello Cristobel thank you for the welcome, much appreciated.  I understand what you mean about the evidence needed for a watertight case.   Even so I find their whole performance  rather strange.   The crime watch programme , which seemed nothing more than an exercise to prove the McCann's were innocent.  The silly exercise of going over that waste ground. Nobody expected anything from that, not even the people that were doing it.  Together with all the other nonsense.  I really cannot see my way to believing that this is a proper investigation or ever will be.  Just my opinion Cristobel.

kylie wrote:Is that one of the nannies or the receptionist.

It is said that it is one of the nannies, and if true, this was one of the most foul mouthed, vile trolls on Twitter.  She didn't say anything that was printable IYKWIM.

I take it she was close to the main players then.

kylie wrote:I take it she was close to the main players then.

In the very same room, from what I can make out!

Is that the nanny who visited the mccanns home?

The same person who tweeted about the Amy/questioning also tweeted about the 'fund being put on hold'

Not sure if any truth in either but very interesting if of course true.

https://mobile.twitter.com/annienonymouss/status/630090381451993090