Operation Grange

If true, I love NW!

Not sure though, as just had a look on the Find Madeleine website farce and it appears you can still donate and top up the fund (if your gullible enough).

Ah well, or maybe don't want raise suspicion?

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2309945/software/holmes-2-database-shows-uk-police-what-s-on-file.html

http://www.holmes2.com/holmes2/whatish2/

I wonder if Nicola is using this....

Andrew wrote:Not sure though, as just had a look on the Find Madeleine website farce and it appears you can still donate and top up the fund (if your gullible enough).

Thought they were talking about Goncalo fund... 


Annienonymous2 ‏@annienonymouss · 14 hrs14 hours ago
Jen/Pam I have a Q: for you too ...when you state "the fund is on hold" do you mean frozen pending enquiries? ...in your own time #mccann

Ah, I see. Could be the GA fund I guess.

In the middle of trying to put up a load of garden furniture (and I hate DIY), so brain not quite with it.

You usually have another reason for not being quite with it!

If we're talking about Leanne Baulch's fund, money is still being paid into that.

P.S. Just checked the PJ one and donations can still be made.

Freedom wrote:You usually have another reason for not being quite with it!

If we're talking about Leanne Baulch's fund, money is still being paid into that.

P.S. Just checked the PJ one and donations can still be made.

I may be totally wrong, but I saw a 'pro' name so naturally assumed it was Goncalo . Need to read the other tweet really about a couple of weeks ago but haven't got time to go back through the timeline.

Whilst looking for something else I found this which clearly shows our UK police working with the PJ well before Operation grange started and when the case was shelved back in 2008, yet UK police were receiving grants in 2007/2008 and 2009/20010. We know then in 2011 Operation Grange commenced.


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FOI release

Total amount of UK public money spent on the Madeleine McCann case.






From:

Home Office

First published:

7 June 2011
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The total amount of special grants given to Leicestershire Constabulary in 2007/08 and 2009/10 for their work in liaising with the Portuguese…





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The total amount of special grants given to Leicestershire Constabulary in 2007/08 and 2009/10 for their work in liaising with the Portuguese police and co-ordinating UK policing involvement in the Madeleine McCann case.
We released the following information on the 7 June 2011.

Home Office paid Leicestershire Constabulary £525k in 2007/08 and £221K in 2009/10 as special grants for their work in liaising with the Portuguese police and co-ordinating UK policing involvement in this case.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/total-amount-of-uk-public-money-spent-on-the-madeleine-mccann-case



This is what I was looking for re PJ working on the case way before Operation Grange commenced and the UK police grants for liaising with them.

Moving this to Grange thread, but have I read this right?

I'm not sure that there's any other way to read it: The Home office were actively funding police involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as far back as 2007. Is that what you mean?

AndyB wrote:I'm not sure that there's any other way to read it: The Home office were actively funding police involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as far back as 2007. Is that what you mean?

Yes sort of, but it also means that Grange was not set up as a whitewash then doesn't it, it seems they were working together all along. I knew the PJ were on it way before Grange started but I had not realised the Home office were funding UK police to work with them back then after the case was shelved?

I am getting tired will have to look with fresh eyes tomorrow I think, I am getting befuddled.

Admin wrote:

AndyB wrote:I'm not sure that there's any other way to read it: The Home office were actively funding police involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as far back as 2007. Is that what you mean?

Yes sort of, but it also means that Grange was not set up as a whitewash then doesn't it

LOL, no. It just means that Grange was set up to continue the work that the Home Office had already started, whether that be whitewash or not. I'm tired too, can we continue this discussion in the morning?

Its an interesting find though, well done

One thing I find awkward to understand is this . When the leicster police went over to Portugal to help with the case ,,they did agree with jp ,that what mr amaral said ,was true ,so at that stage all agreed . what happened to that info.and then we get og ,who spoke of just the accosting of mbm from the apartment . I find that odd? joyce1938

This post is from a Facebook contributor called Lord Miles Spencer on the Abduction or Scam group.



Operation Grange
I will give you my opinion, for what its worth. I thought for a very VERY long while that DCI Deadwood (as myself and others called him) was presiding over a whitewash. 
That hurt. 
I was angry - I believe in truth, honesty and transparency and most of all British justice. Was the very system that was at the core of what i believed to be the greatest country in the world, corrupt ? 
That hurt. 
I noticed many many files that should have, according to Portuguese law, been released - like Lady Diana being embalmed in France, against the law, we had seen this type of thing before. 
That hurt.
I stared in disbelief as Crimewash showed a reconstruction filmed in Spain and then the following week had a top copper saying the MOST important aspect is to film in the EXACT location, at the EXACT time and day. I was amazed when Crimewash showed an efit that had been hidden by Team McCann for FIVE YEARS, the efit is the spitting image of Gerry, taken from a witness who was 60-80% sure it was, guess who, Gerry McCann.
That hurt. 
I screamed in disbelief that Scotland Yard appeared to think a burglar who, perhaps, couldn't find any valuables and so stole Maddie instead, when the evidence so clearly shows that she died in the apartment, the parents simulated an abduction and had Government help. Hell, even with a bad basic law degree I believe i, and many others, could make and present a case to a jury that any reasonable man would find a whole range of people guilty of various crimes. 
That hurts.
And yet, STILL no charges, no arrests, despite many symbolic opportunities to - Tower of London bike ride finish. This IS a very complex case.
BUT then a curious thing happened, i had another copper, of 12 years experience, in my cab and we chatted. I asked him several questions, all of which he gave personal opinion to. We chatted about the dogs, "90-95% or more reliable" and when i asked him whether he thought Operation Grange was corrupt he answered very very quickly and very very emphatically - NO - that was an emphatic NO. And he gave his many reasons, including the possibility of having one rotten apple but not 38 that would risk not only their promotional chances but also their jobs, their pensions and most importantly their freedom. No 38 rotten apples here. No way, surely.
Scotland Yard are world renowned. Would they risk their reputation and the reputation of British justice and Great Britain ?
Then we had the CEOP find. I reflected. I remembered all the inconsistencies. I remember Lizzy claiming a lack of sightings from about the 29th.
The timeline SHIFTED and more pieces fell into place.
I smiled and am still smiling. And i, eagerly now, wait - in anticipation.
For me, its no longer an IF - its a when, who and how many ?
There will be no riots on the streets Kate, not for you - we didn't riot for Diana and the INFORMED, EDUCATED public know all about that case.
As i stated many times before - if i am wrong i will WALK to Leicester and apologise myself, personally.
A few nights ago i was explaining to my passenger my renewed optimism concerning the case, following the CEOP find. The older man told me he was a lawyer and he worked for Carter Ruck....but that's another story...hugs..x

I also read this today Freedom, brilliant in my opinion.

Spotted over yonder by the very vigilent DougD  http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12106p75-police-hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-is-scaled-back#333313:

Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:

How many Police officers and civilian staff were on this operation [Operation Grange] on 30/11/2015 and 31/12/2015, respectively.

DECISION

I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full.

1 Detective Sergeant and 3 Detective Constables are dedicated to Op Grange, they are attached to, and under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team, these numbers did not change for the time period you specified.

Information Rights Unit

http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2016/march_2016/2016010001047.pdf


"....under the supervision of, a full Murder Investigation Team"

Quite unequivocal, then.

Let's hope so Dee Coy, but I have my doubts.

I can't make head nor tale of the numbers of OG. Looking at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Investigation_Team and depending how I read/interpret it, a full MIT (the 'M' can be for Murder or Major) consists of 50 staff and a DCI (Wall) or the other way of reading it could be 12 staff (both +1 DC, 3 DS per FOI)

I don't get why they made such a song and dance about reducing numbers down to 4 officers if in fact there are is an additional 12 or 50 still on the case?

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I can't make head nor tale of the numbers of OG. Looking at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Investigation_Team and depending how I read/interpret it, a full MIT (the 'M' can be for Murder or Major) consists of 50 staff and a DCI (Wall) or the other way of reading it could be 12 staff (both +1 DC, 3 DS per FOI)

I don't get why they made such a song and dance about reducing numbers down to 4 officers if in fact there are is an additional 12 or 50 still on the case?  

The ground work as been done and its support staff perchance?

Heisenburg wrote: [...]
The ground work as been done and its support staff perchance?

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Dotting the "i"s, stroking the "t"s and correcting the commas ...?

Châtelaine wrote:

Heisenburg wrote: [...]
The ground work as been done and its support staff perchance?

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Dotting the "i"s, stroking the "t"s and correcting the commas ...?

It has to be tighter than a duck's bottom.

Heisenburg wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I can't make head nor tale of the numbers of OG. Looking at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Investigation_Team and depending how I read/interpret it, a full MIT (the 'M' can be for Murder or Major) consists of 50 staff and a DCI (Wall) or the other way of reading it could be 12 staff (both +1 DC, 3 DS per FOI)

I don't get why they made such a song and dance about reducing numbers down to 4 officers if in fact there are is an additional 12 or 50 still on the case?  

The ground work as been done and its support staff perchance?

Sure, but I don't like the phrase "support staff". I think a lot would believe that was all civil servant pen pushers and tea makers! In reality, the support staff is/should be mostly staff that are specialists in the likes of interviewing etc.

'Support staff' that perhaps specialise in Fraud.

I read this comment from Frances Gallagher on facebook today. The post was regarding
an outcome to the case.

Frances Gallagher: I do think there has been a shift ....it is almost palpable ....I am very
optimistic now. I think Amaral is the man to watch now...There are Chinese whispers abound that things are changing behind the scenes.