Re: Operation Grange

Mimi Wed 27 Sep 2017, 9:26 pm

Just thought this bit sounds as though he`s preparing everyone for disappointment

"Right now we are committed to taking the current inquiry as far as we possibly can and we are confident that will happen. Ultimately this, and the previous work, gives all of us the very best chance of getting the answers – although we must, of course, remember that no investigation can guarantee to provide a definitive conclusion.

espeland Wed 27 Sep 2017, 10:57 pm

Look on the bright side - if OG closes then the time will be right for Sonia to release her film Smile

Guest Thu 28 Sep 2017, 7:50 am

espeland wrote:
Look on the bright side - if OG closes then the time will be right for Sonia to release her film

Yes, because it's far more important for us to see Sonia's film, that can only be based on info that is already out there, than it is for the police to conclude this case and bring the perpetrators to justice.

I don't see that as a 'bright side'. I see it as more of the same.

Because if Sonia's film is to be so damning she would have given the evidence to the police so that OG wouldn't need to close.

**Freedom** Thu 28 Sep 2017, 8:28 am

I think that espeland's comment was likely to have been made tongue in cheek.

espeland Thu 28 Sep 2017, 8:48 am

purple ronnie wrote:
espeland wrote:
Look on the bright side - if OG closes then the time will be right for Sonia to release her film

Yes, because it's far more important for us to see Sonia's film, that can only be based on info that is already out there, than it is for the police to conclude this case and bring the perpetrators to justice.

I don't see that as a 'bright side'. I see it as more of the same.

Because if Sonia's film is to be so damning she would have given the evidence to the police so that OG wouldn't need to close.

It's not more of the same at all. If OG closes, it shows IMO that the police don't want to bring the perpetrators to justice. Sonia, with her experience, will have extracted information which undoubtedly is already known to the police, but not known to the public.

poster Thu 28 Sep 2017, 10:19 am

Realistically there must be a huge amount of material that has not been made public. It is a fact that some of the most important witness statements were not in the PJ files. If Dr Amaral is right and Madeleine died that week and the parents covered it up and faked an abduction then logically you would expect some of the holiday makers or staff to have noticed some suspicious behaviour.

Robert Murat is of course an incredibly important witness. He was on the scene early on and was privy to early eye-witness statements. Neighbour Pamela Fenn heard something suspicious. Fellow holiday-maker Nigel Foster from Southampton noticed something suspicious and spoke to the TM group.

I think that staff and nannies at OC that week would have seen and heard things. The TM children are also really important witnesses.

There must be so much more information out there, imo. I have to say I would not want to be in TM's shoes. I think the Mc downfall was insisting in the enquiry - back in 2011 was it? If they had just put their heads down I think interest would have waned. Their hubris was their downfall, imo, as is so often the case.

Poe Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:36 am

@ poster, I'm not convinced that TM did request an enquiry. It seems more likely to me that they got wind of the planned review and started making noise so that it looked like it was being done at their insistence. The time span between the McCann demands and the announcement of the enquiry was very short.

As far as OG goes, I think that the best the McCanns can hope for now is for it to be shelved. That doesn't exonerate them and the Portuguese court ruling that they haven't been proven innocent means that they are in a worse position now than they were when OG started.

Whatever happens, the McCanns won't be riding off into the sunset, proven blameless, to live happily ever after.

poster Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:07 pm

Yes that sounds more likely. Rather like Kate in her book claiming they invited social services over after their return from Portugal.

I agree they are in a worse position now than before. What is noteworthy though is the sound of silence emanating from TM HQ. No more cosy chats with Lorraine or quotes from sources close to them that they are 'buoyed' by developments. Family members too are also keeping heads under the paraphet. The 'troll dossier' backfired big time, imo.

It will be interesting to see what OG come up with. How I would love to see TM on the witness stand under cross-examination but I assume a deal was struck a long time ago.

Helenmeg Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:57 pm

In which case over £11 Million has just been wasted....

poster Thu 28 Sep 2017, 1:20 pm

Helenmeg wrote:In which case over £11 Million has just been wasted....

Yes indeed and the fund was a fraud if Dr Amaral's theory is correct.

How much money has been spent on the Ben Needham case I wonder?

It's interesting that at the time the Mcs were made arguidos police were focusing on a period of 6 hours on Thursday afternoon. This is a very similar time frame to the Needham case as Ben was last seen at lunchtime but was not reported as missing until the evening which would be a period of around 6 hours.

**candyfloss** Thu 28 Sep 2017, 4:28 pm

Locking this one for a while as Grange has been granted extra funds so new thread in Latest news started.

Please carry on here on this new thread..

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t2094-operation-grange-to-continue-extra-funding-granted

**candyfloss** Tue 31 Oct 2017, 2:08 pm

So all gone very quiet, no news about anything apart from the usual rubbish about Halloween costumes and psychics. Rolling Eyes

Nothing about Mr Amaral, he is very quiet of late too. When will his money be paid, and nothing about the ECHR application either.

Anyone feel things will be coming to an end soon? Not in a way that some believe imo - all the work will bring results.

Châtelaine Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:01 pm

A "deadly" silence indeed.
There's news coming, but it may take some time IMO

Helenmeg Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:18 pm

Hard to tell... it has gone so quiet. The money was given by the Home Office to get them through until April. It seems like they are biding their time whilst decisions are made
about how to close this... They said that it was 'complex' and so I would think that means that there is lots to unravel. Stating it is 'complex' makes me believe there is hope for some of the truth to be revealed.

Helenmeg Thu 28 Dec 2017, 3:38 pm

Meanwhile, DCI Wall is still busy http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5218079/Woman-feared-murdered-Christmas-Eve.html

Heisenburg Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:55 pm

Helenmeg wrote:Meanwhile, DCI Wall is still busy http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5218079/Woman-feared-murdered-Christmas-Eve.html

Murder Squad's DCI Nicola Wall said: 'We believe that this woman was attacked whilst in the park and this may have occurred on Christmas Eve.

Interesting how DCI Wall is described,now why would murder squads DCI Wall be investigating an abduction in Portugal,answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

KathyBelle Sat 24 Feb 2018, 10:20 am

candyfloss wrote:Thanks for that caricature.

So 67 return flight to Portual, and we have only heard of a handful. Just shows how much work is going on that we don't know about. They do the odd photo op for the press to shut them up, but meanwhile the business goes on.

From the top of the article.

British police take 67 return flights to Portugal as cost of Madeleine McCann search nears £9million

EXCLUSIVE: Trips last year cost nearly £16,000, around £1,300 a month
Came as police carried out largest ever search by British police overseas
Eight-day search in Algarve in June ended with nothing of interest found
David Cameron set a provisional budget for £5million for the investigation
Operation Grange has cost around £2.5million every year for three years
Home Office said this year's spend likely to be 'broadly in line' with past

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2949479/British-police-67-return-flights-Portugal-cost-Madeleine-McCann-search-nears-9million.html#ixzz3RSwR6Lm0

**Freedom** Sat 24 Feb 2018, 10:22 am

Long time no see, Kathy Belle!

Should there have been a comment from you with the post?

KathyBelle Sat 24 Feb 2018, 3:01 pm

Hi Freedom, sorry I pressed send, before I wrote the post. Operation Grange - Page 30 Icon_smile

By the way, as you will be able to see, I have now sent a post.

A couple of years ago I emailed Bernard Hogan-Howe who was the then Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, to register my disgust at the way Operation Grange were conducting the investigation. I gave him facts of the case, so I could not be accused of telling lies or making things up. I never had an acknowledgement, let alone a reply from Hogan-Howe or any member of his staff.

For some reason the email I sent Hogan-Howe has now disappeared from my email in box. However because a member of Admin from the group 'You're STILL falling for the McCann Scam? You're an Idiot, gave me their email address, I was able to forward the email to that person. The email was put on the group page and I was able to save it and it can be shared to a group.

If Admin would like me to share with the group I will do so. However I won't be offended if you would rather I didn't share it.

Last week when I was looking for information about Madeleine's case, I came across an article that was in the Daily Mirror. The article is regarding a statement made by Mark Rowley. the Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in April last year. He states that the McCanns are not suspects, so I emailed him and pointed out that 2 months previously, the Portuguese Supreme Court Judge, stated the McCanns were not innocent.

I pointed out more facts to Rowley including the fact that I had emailed Bernard Hogan-Howe and never received a reply. I told Rowley that I was no crank and that I had married a police officer in 1968. Rather than write the contents of the email on here, I'm quite happy to forward the email to anyone who would like to see the email and can provide me with safe email address, which I will deleted once the email has been sent. Once again, I won't be offended if no one wants to read the email.

This is the article that led me to email Mark Rowley.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-british-cop-says-madeleine-10295917

Rosa canina Sun 11 Mar 2018, 11:28 pm

An article I don't remember seeing before (it sounds tenuous) :

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/

Heisenburg Sun 25 Mar 2018, 11:01 am

Home Office taking their time,the extra funding was granted by March 12th last year.

Satsuma Mon 26 Mar 2018, 8:17 am

Heisenburg wrote:Home Office taking their time,the extra funding was granted by March 12th last year.

I would think they are looking for one of two things, Heisenburg:
1 A body
2 (shock, horror) A live MM somewhere in the world. Yes, indeed

Helenmeg Mon 26 Mar 2018, 4:54 pm

Heisenburg wrote:Home Office taking their time,the extra funding was granted by March 12th last year.

Yes, taking their time to issue a decision (or at least publicly..).
I think that is deliberate. I'm sure the decision was made a long time ago... perhaps they enjoy keeping the Mc Cann team on their toes..

Heisenburg Mon 26 Mar 2018, 8:53 pm

Satsuma wrote:
Heisenburg wrote:Home Office taking their time,the extra funding was granted by March 12th last year.

I would think they are looking for one of two things, Heisenburg:
1 A body
2 (shock, horror) A live MM somewhere in the world. Yes, indeed

No2 doesn't fit in with Scotland Yard digging up the Portuguese countryside.

Satsuma Mon 26 Mar 2018, 10:29 pm

No, but number 1 does. Both are possibilities imo

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