Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

candyfloss wrote:Sorry, but I just had to post this, it does make you wonder how some conduct their research.  



Anthony Bennett‏ @zampos · 9m9 minutes ago  



No. #PamelaFenn fixed the 'crying incident' at 10.30pm, Tues 1 May. The first anyone knew of this alleged crying incident was in British newspapers, 18 August. She doesn't mention #RobertMurat at all, yet Murat claims 'some foreign woman' phoned him. He must mean Mrs Fenn #McCann








My mouth is just dropping open further and further …….

Statements like Mrs Fenn 'fixed' the crying incident.  And....

Murat claims some foreign woman phoned him...………

Ah well then of course it must be Mrs Fenn, good deduction Sherlock, except Mrs Fenn wasn't foreign was she - she was English just like Murat, so why on earth would he say 'foreign woman'


I don't think Murat says that at all, wasn't it the PJ that said that.

....not trying to back TB...but its worth pointing out

if it was the PJ...and i think it was, who said that,then foreign would fit , even an English woman , as she was, would be foreign to them. Also Mrs Fenns neice was with her ...so they would be women. Carol Tranmer Fenn did give an early statement to the police....Leicester police.....

In the interview of Carole Tranmer on 22nd April 2008, as recorded on DVD, reference is made more than once to a statement given by her to Leics police on 8 May 2007, and to an identikit that was created with the assistance of a police officer from Reading.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

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Was Mrs Fenn's niece with her?  She wasn't staying there that week was she, I thought it was the week before?   I need to read up the statements, it is a long while since I saw them..

 If she was staying with her, why didn't she come out onto the balcony with her aunt to find out what was going on re the can of beans episode.

Yes, that is what I am saying the PJ or GNR officer would call the woman foreign, but Robert Murat would not would he, being as he is English himself.

I am totally confused now..

But one thing I am totally certain about, an old woman would have absolutely no reason to lie or be part of this ' conspiracy' of covering the truth, that is being touted by many...  Why would she lie.  When someone gives me a good solid reason why she would put the life of a little girl in danger and risk being arrested for perverting the course of justice, it does not make sense.  Of course when you add in all the others who supposedly lied as well, including 5 members of one family,  then it becomes something totally ludicrous.

Mrs Fenn's statement sort of reinforces the absence of regular checks which lends itself to the abduction.

Back to the drawing board I think for Tony and his research into Mrs Fenn and one or more foreign women!

If it was Robert Murat who described Mrs Fenn in that manner - someone unknown to him - it makes it unlikely as claimed on CMoMM that she and his mother were friends.


P.S. The link given by Bampots confirms that Carole Tranmer was there the first week in May but she didn't stay at her aunt's apartment and so wasn't there in the evening of 3rd May.

I wonder who it was that Carol, Mrs Fenn's niece, saw on Thursday afternoon? Some have suggested Matt but Matt is very tall and Carol describes someone of average height. Also, I would not describe Matt as blond.

I've always found this part of the interview interesting, almost as though the interviewer has some kind of insider knowledge? Also, Carol's reaction to the rather strange comment: 'That must have been lamentable for you', suggests that Carol did, indeed, find it an odd comment. Carol quite rightly responds: 'Pardon?' (Subscript: what the heck is that supposed to mean?) And the interviewer follows up with an equally strange response: '.......Not having the opportunity to meet her is a shame given what happened to her also.'

Uh??? We know that what happened to Diana is that she died in a car accident. It may not, of course, be as straightforward as that but Diana died. Madeleine McCann was supposedly abducted. So did not, according to her family and friends, meet the same fate as Diana. (Although it is, of course, on record that Portuguese police think that Madeleine died in an accident and her parents faked an abduction and hid her body.)

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DC1485'And Diana, did you know Diana'

CT'No, I never knew Diana. She was not there at the time.

DC1485'That must have been lamentable for you.

CT'Pardon'

DC1485'Of not having the opportunity to meet her' Not having the opportunity to meet her is a shame given what happened to her also.

I take it just to mean that it was lamentable (old-fashioned word) that Carole would never now have the chance to meet Diana.

candyfloss wrote:This one  poster?

Yes indeed. Really bad...talk about over-egging. But I guess by the time of that interview Kate had been reprimanded and she had to veer from one emotional reaction (genuine, imo) to another one - fake and gross and completely 'over the top' - in other words, not genuine, in my opinion.

Whereas, Gerry I think was able from quite early on to monitor his emotional responses. So when Kate, in that early interview, got upset and got real, Gerry just smirked - by the time of that interview he was 'over it', imo. (And judging by him grinning at the patio doors a few days after his daughter's alleged abduction by a paedophile he was 'over it' quite quickly).

Freedom wrote:I take it just to mean that it was lamentable (old-fashioned word) that Carole would never now have the chance to meet Diana.

Well, yes...but that was not entirely the gist of it:

DC1485'Of not having the opportunity to meet her' Not having the opportunity to meet her is a shame given what happened to her also.

candyfloss wrote:Was Mrs Fenn's niece with her?  She wasn't staying there that week was she, I thought it was the week before?   I need to read up the statements, it is a long while since I saw them..

 If she was staying with her, why didn't she come out onto the balcony with her aunt to find out what was going on re the can of beans episode.

Yes, that is what I am saying the PJ or GNR officer would call the woman foreign, but Robert Murat would not would he, being as he is English himself.

I am totally confused now..

But one thing I am totally certain about, an old woman would have absolutely no reason to lie or be part of this ' conspiracy' of covering the truth, that is being touted by many...  Why would she lie.  When someone gives me a good solid reason why she would put the life of a little girl in danger and risk being arrested for perverting the course of justice, it does not make sense.  Of course when you add in all the others who supposedly lied as well, including 5 members of one family,  then it becomes something totally ludicrous.

Mrs Fenn's niece was there after they went out for lunch on Thursday. They came back to the apartment after lunch and sat chatting on the balcony with some friends. This is when Mrs Fenn's niece saw a blond man acting suspiciously as he let himself of a garden gate near apartment 5A. She gives a very clear description of the man which shows that Mrs Fenn's balcony did indeed give a very clear view of the comings and goings below her. I feel sure it did not escape TM's notice that they were there but the fact that the man did not appear to see them or look up at them might suggest that he was not a member of TM and was unaware of their presence.

Heisenburg wrote:Mrs Fenn's statement sort of reinforces the absence of regular checks which lends itself to the abduction.

I agree. Some have claimed (the undercover reporter hairdresser clip) that on the evening that Mrs Fenn heard crying the McCanns were at Chaplins. The hairdresser was Mrs Fenn's hairdresser and I see no reason why either of them would lie. I presume the hairdresser was either at Chaplins herself or know people who were there or work there and word spreads fast in a small community.

If the McCanns really were at Chaplins that evening it blows there 'dining in the backyard' claim out of the water and points to real neglect. It also points to Madeleine having been left on her own in the apartment, imo. Which I think is suspicious.  If the twins had been there they would have been distressed too and Mrs Fenn would have heard all three crying. This then begs the question of why Madeleine was on her own? And further, what had distressed her so much?

If the McCanns had dined at Chaplins on Tuesday evening then there would be evidence of this, apart from the hairdresser's claim. The waiting staff and other diners would have remembered. I wonder if they were interviewed? And it is on Tuesday that there was a quiz night at Chaplins. It seems very unlikely to me that there would be two quiz nights at the Tapas a night apart (supposedly on Sunday and again on Tuesday).

Child neglect cuts across all social and economic groups and so does any kind of abuse.

ETA: Could the above be one of the reasons that quiz night is so sensitive? If the group were not even in or near the Ocean Club resort but  much further away then this points to real neglect - or at least neglect of Madeleine, imo. As far as I am aware neither of the McCanns ever mention quiz night? Kate is remarkable vague about evening activities in her book and glosses over them with a breezy comment about 'object tennis' one evening and ladies tennis another evening.

Something else has struck me - could Russell's emphatic insistence on not having been at quiz night (he says it a whopping seven times!) be a damage-limitation exercise to show that they were not as neglectful as it seems?

If it was Robert Murat who described Mrs Fenn in that manner - someone unknown to him - it makes it unlikely as claimed on CMoMM that she and his mother were friends.

I think it's unlikely that Mrs Fenn was a complete stranger to Robert Murat. Luz is a small community. Mrs Fenn had lived there a long time. Murat seemed to have many connections locally and I think it likely that he and his mother would know of her at least.

I think there must have been a lot of local 'talk' about what might have happened that week. The hairdresser clip is one of the very few 'leaks' that there have been and I'm surprised it wasn't 'whooshed'.