Sir Clement Freud and links to the McCanns

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Yes, Heisenburg.

Edit: Based on the picture posted earlier in the thread I should say.

Thank you,not too far for a Smithman to walk,possibly.

Approx....

Purple = Mc's Apt
Green = Smith Sighting
Red = Clement's Villa

I wonder if Kate and Gerry will be contacting OG to tell them everything they know about CF, seeing as how they are now "horrified" by recent revelations. Or perhaps OG will be contacting them...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.0886517,-8.7230656,3a,75y,295.45h,68.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSv8vj65sJ9cG7XhhSN_iZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I believe this is the house that CF owned, sold, then rented same back for holidays.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/15/100792983_FREUD.villa-large_trans++rXQPXGvM58CJoUBPwmOnP4AUi_eAXJmjTzXoJ-uDM54.jpg

Wasn`t there a query around some people that rented a house up this road and were acting suspiciously? Someone went in and found a room with photographic gear and children`s toys.  They reported it to the police.

This road goes up to the top of the Nigra rock.  Was this the road that K&G jogged up to?

Mimi wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.0886517,-8.7230656,3a,75y,295.45h,68.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSv8vj65sJ9cG7XhhSN_iZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I believe this is the house that CF owned, sold, then rented same back for holidays.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/15/100792983_FREUD.villa-large_trans++rXQPXGvM58CJoUBPwmOnP4AUi_eAXJmjTzXoJ-uDM54.jpg

Wasn`t there a query around some people that rented a house up this road and were acting suspiciously? Someone went in and found a room with photographic gear and children`s toys.  They reported it to the police.

This road goes up to the top of the Nigra rock.  Was this the road that K&G jogged up to?

Was it to do with this Mimi   ?

Madeleine: The missed clues at £1m villa

Madeleine McCANN may have been taken to a luxury villa just half a mile from where she was abducted, Portuguese detectives were told.

By EXCLUSIVE JAMES MURRAY AND TED JEORY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 24, 2009

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/103035/Madeleine-The-missed-clues-at-1m-villa

Yes, that`s it, thank you

I wonder if it could be CF`s villa.  He might have rented it out when he wasn`t using it. Or if he sold it, then rented it back from the person he sold it to (I`ve read that somewhere, but also read that it wasn`t sold until 2009), the new owner may have rented it out to those suspicious people.

Also, in this picture of the McCanns jogging, they have just passed CF`s villa.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zzkgjog2007d.jpg

Here's a theory, based on absolutely no proof... but...

An empty luxury villa...
A freezer...
A place to hide a small body, undetected...
The villa is not rented out, stays empty for some months...
Kate and Gerry McCann jog past the villa every day to make sure nothing has been disturbed... to make sure all is ok...
The small body is moved for final disposal...
Kate and Gerry are invited to the luxury villa for drinks two months after Madeleine disappears...

Spot on C12....i didnt put disposal in the mix but it fits the theory. What about this for a leap in the dark....CF along with the likes of Cyril Smith are deep undercover agents of the secret services along with a certain someone who tweets like mad and has an unhealthy support for two suspects in a child crime. Hence we have a conduit for manuals,a location to bring chemicals (acid) and protective clothing in to clean flat and dispose of waste from cleanup ....in fact a day to day headquarters ....which both you and Mimi have pointed out they jogged passed(who the f&ck jogs when your daughter goes missing!?).

Good stuff folks. Totally forgot about the 'missed clues at million pound villa' stuff.

Fairly quick to hit the press not long after Clement died as well...

It's looking like a few more of these dots are rapidly joining together.

They lived at Rua Jose de Conceiao Conde as well, Caso do Jardim. More links to join to CF.

I always thought the McCanns going on these regular jogging sessions was more to do with chatting amongst themselves (getting stories straight etc) away from eyes and ears...

But purposely running past somewhere that you want to keep a 'keen observation' on without inviting suspicion makes even more sense.

Hope wrote:They lived at Rua Jose de Conceiao Conde as well, Caso do Jardim.  More links to join to CF.

Is that the Villa that the McCanns rented out themselves...?

Was that close by?

Also John Geraghty who had a 1 Million pound villa as well in PDL.... Was that near Clements do you know?

bluebell wrote:

Mimi wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.0886517,-8.7230656,3a,75y,295.45h,68.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSv8vj65sJ9cG7XhhSN_iZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I believe this is the house that CF owned, sold, then rented same back for holidays.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/15/100792983_FREUD.villa-large_trans++rXQPXGvM58CJoUBPwmOnP4AUi_eAXJmjTzXoJ-uDM54.jpg

Wasn`t there a query around some people that rented a house up this road and were acting suspiciously? Someone went in and found a room with photographic gear and children`s toys.  They reported it to the police.

This road goes up to the top of the Nigra rock.  Was this the road that K&G jogged up to?

Was it to do with this Mimi   ?

Madeleine: The missed clues at £1m villa

Madeleine McCANN may have been taken to a luxury villa just half a mile from where she was abducted, Portuguese detectives were told.

By EXCLUSIVE JAMES MURRAY AND TED JEORY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 24, 2009

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/103035/Madeleine-The-missed-clues-at-1m-villa

Thank you for that I had forgotten about this mysterious villa - so here is the full story.
Rather interesting that although they give details of the villa etc., they shift the focus to Hewlett. I have bolded the villa parts.

Madeleine: The missed clues at £1m villa

Madeleine McCANN may have been taken to a luxury villa just half a mile from where she was abducted, Portuguese detectives were told.

By EXCLUSIVE James Murray and Ted Jeory
PUBLISHED: PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 24, 2009 

                   
Suspicions were raised because of the behaviour of the people who rented the £1million villa and because video cameras were reportedly seen there along with pictures of children on a wall, the Sunday Express has learned.
Our revelations come as West Yorkshire police prepare to fly to Germany to question 64-year-old convicted paedophile Raymond Hewlett over a sex attack on a girl 25 years ago.
Retired detectives working for Kate and Gerry McCann are also hoping to interview Hewlett to ask him directly whether he knows anything about three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction.
Hewlett is in intensive care at a German hospital recovering from an operation for throat cancer. In the last 24 hours his condition has worsened and there are concerns he may have only days to live.
If well enough, it is expected he will be asked if he ever met paedophiles in the Algarve town of Praia da Luz around the time Madeleine vanished.

One theory the McCanns’ investigators are examining is whether there was a paedophile ring operating in the area two years ago.

The Sunday Express has been conducting intensive inquiries in the resort town and asked scores of people if they saw anyone acting suspiciously.


One elderly British resident told us both she and a friend, a retired British woman detective, went to Portuguese police about a couple who rented the villa, which has its own swimming pool.
The resident told us: “I used to meet up with the retired detective to walk our dogs down by the seafront. Both of us became concerned about a couple aged about 30 who rented the villa.

“What struck us was that they drove a very tatty, British-registered small red saloon car. It was one those vehicles you would normally see on a gypsy camp, not going in and out of a very expensive villa.

“We only saw them coming and going in the car and not walking about, which is odd given the location of the villa. We both got the impression they were trying to keep a low profile.’’

Another source said that after Maddie disappeared, search teams combed the seafront, where luxury villas stand next to large areas of barren land.

Anglican priest Paul Luckman, owner and publisher of Portugal News, said: “The location and description of that villa mentioned by your source fits the one that a searcher told me about.

“The searcher told me the villa was empty and somehow they got inside some weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

“The search dog handler said the villa had a room with a kind of amateur studio with video equipment and cameras with children’s toys and pictures of children on the wall.

“He felt it was something to do with paedophiles. He told the police and they seemed to know something about it, but we don’t think they took it any further.”


The Sunday Express took him to the villa and he confirmed that it fits the description and location of the one he was told about.
Although we know where it is, we are not naming the villa for legal reasons as we have been unable to locate the owner.

The British woman resident said: “I know the owner was contacted after we raised our concerns with the police.

"The person was angry because she said she did not know the people who rented it and was annoyed about being contacted by detectives.

"We heard nothing more about it. The day after Maddie disappeared the couple moved out and we didn’t see them again.

“There was an older woman in a very expensive car who visited them during their stay.”

The McCanns’ private investigators have been conducting surveillance on several properties for some time. Retired det­ective inspector Dave Edgar returned from Portugal on Friday night and is pursuing a number of leads he is not prepared to discuss.

Meanwhile, paedophile Hewlett is said to be suffering internal bleeding.

A doctor at the Aachen hospital where he is being treated said: “He is very poorly. Fluid has been seeping into his lungs. He cannot speak. The next few days will be critical.”



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/103035/Madeleine-The-missed-clues-at-1m-villa

Andrew the Hubbards lived themselves in that villa, the rectory you coul call it where the Anglican vicar and family stay.

Geraghty I already explained had a villa at Boavista golf course, linked at the back to the top of Rocha Negra where Dr Amaral was filmed.

The jogging route went past the Hubbards, Freuds,up the hill to the back of the golf complex where Geraghty was.

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Did the origonal sniffer dogs end at batista supermarket and a carpark in the general direction of not near but toward Freuds villa and why has everyone always puzzled to the direction of tannerman?
Is this simple enough for everyone??

No Baptista is in the middle of the village, Freud's over to the far east.

I remember reading something about a villa being demolished. Obviously not Freud's though. Anyone?

Candyfloss would it be ok to start a new topic on Freud in members only discussion?

No it was further up the hill.

Hope wrote:Andrew the Hubbards lived themselves in that villa, the rectory you coul call it where the Anglican vicar and family stay.

Geraghty I already explained had a villa at Boavista golf course, linked at the back to the top of Rocha Negra where Dr Amaral was filmed.

The jogging route went past the Hubbards, Freuds,up the hill to the back of the golf complex where Geraghty was.

Many thanks, Hope. (sorry - I must of missed the bit about Geraghty/Golf Course)

Just trying to visualise all this on a map... Find it easier that way.

Candyfloss seems off line so I will start a new links topic on Discusions as much of yesterday's posts were not Breaking News.

Hope wrote:Candyfloss seems off line so I will start a new links topic on Discusions as much of yesterday's posts were not Breaking News.

No probs Hope.

Thank you.

I meant two places.... one baptista.....the other a carpark to east of 5a where it came to abrupt halt?