The Mystery of Ben Needham

This might be the same link you posted andrew - apologies if so:

http://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritai...-ben-is-buried

poster wrote:I think what's more likely is that Ben died in an accident - most likely involving the moped.

It is possible than in their panic, the members of the family in the know thought that the digger might assist in some kind of concealment. The digger driver could have been roped in in blissful ignorance and, imo, probably was.

But now he is dead he is a convenient patsy. The digger had some involvement in the aftermath perhaps - even if entirely innocent - so it is convenient to shift the blame onto the digger and makes it slightly less of a lie.

All IMO only of course.

But I think this is how people tend to lie. They find someone or some thing connected in some way and then shift the blame to them.

Do you think Kerry knows or has it been concealed from her? I'm trying to imagine if just one family member knows... they would be surely weighed down by guilt.
Something odd is going on though. Let's just say imagine that an uncle had an accident on moped and Benn died in the accident. Wouldnt that person e.g uncle be hysterical and go back to family members
in a terrible state... It takes a strange person to keep it under his belt and hide the body... when it is a family member... surely... just dont understand this one. I cfind it hard to believe Kerry KNOWS... unless she has
found out quite recently and has had some time toy reflect and come to a conclusion that it is in everyone's interests to make the digger the key...
Interested to hear others thoughts on this as I'm struggling..

IF, I say If, a family member is involved, the best thing would be to throw suspicion on a dead digger...

Yes I s'pose so. BUT I just think that all this 'living a lie' must be so exhausting / stressful / debilitating

If the Mc Canns, for example, stood up today and said they were sorry and that this is what happened and they had lied but now wish to come clean... I would forgive them as member of the public.
I find it easy to forgive when people tell the truth..
I absolutely cant stand it when people lie and never come clean but are found out...
If in my life I have told lies or white lies etc etc I have always come clean because it is too hard to live a lie... too much of a burden. Of course if at all possible I dont want to tell porkies anyway... but
I think most people tell white lies at some point... probably and mainly to avoid hurting people or something like that.

Hopefully we can all meet up one day when this is over... and the truth is out.

I've never lied in my life, but coming to think of it there may have been 1 or 2 white ones ...

ETA Yes, I hope some of us can meet after all of this is over. I still have a lot of space ...

Something we should never forget is the Macs could be at the centre of something bigger than them.....or sonething that is just way off of what we think happened....and perhaps are not guilty of those things we believe and consequently dont live a lie?

I dont know this to be the case.....but its worth thinking about!!

I wrote a long (boring) reply to Helenmeg and fortunately lost it
Only to say lying is something I am not able to forgive. It's obviously a personal thing and yes I might have told someone they look good when actually I think they look really ill, but I'm more likely to say 'you aren't looking too good I'm concerned." Is that a white lie?
What happens is what happens - just tell it as it is. I can't trust or tolerate anyone who I find lies to me, even if it was to make me feel better. Although usually it is to make the liar to feel better I've found.
Off topic but that Christie prog. I am watching Timothy Evans lies - he is innocent but he lies and is hanged as a consequence. It's actually why I'm finding it so hard to watch, I want to shout Tell the Truth !! Extreme example of course.
As to the loss of a child by accident - FGS how can anybody do that?
find it quite incomprehensible that someone knows what happened to Ben and hasn't told.
But re: MM, I am sure this has happened, and may they rot in hell for it.
Sorry for O/T and ramble.

Something we should never forget is the Macs could be at the centre of something bigger than them.....or sonething that is just way off of what we think happened....and perhaps are not guilty of those things we believe and consequently dont live a lie?

I dont know this to be the case.....but its worth thinking about!! Bampots


Well I believe they were part of a bigger group (not just Tapas 9) and were encouraged and basically ordered to lie and were told it would all be ok and it was for the best. But still they CHOSE to lie and cover up things
in order to save their necks and those of the others. They made a choice. They did not have to lie. And there have been 10 long years in which to come clean - and that applies to the whole lot of them. I think they are cowards... but still - if they told the truth tomorrow I would think more of them...

Anyway - I have gone off topic as this is about Ben

Sorry i led it off topic Helen...it was just the bits about living the lie.

Yes and I followed you merrily...
But really I will not be surprised if a member of Ben's family was involved in his accidental death ... but wonder how they kept it from the rest of the family
for so long. If that is the case then it must have been someone very immature imo.

Updated from ITV:

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2016-12-12/ben-needham-family-will-fight-on-to-bring-him-home/

And Andy Lines from the Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-claims-villagers-9444737

Helenmeg wrote:Yes and I followed you merrily...
But really I will not be surprised if a member of Ben's family was involved in his accidental death ... but wonder how they kept it from the rest of the family
for so long. If that is the case then it must have been someone very immature imo.

Personally, I think it's rather telling that Grandpa Eddie has been omitted from all the sofa business for a long time now.

Transcript of the Good Morning stuff (thanks to Textusa as nicked it from there)

Textusa12 Dec 2016, 21:13:00

This is our transcript of the vídeo. We ask readers for transcription errors to be pointed out for correction:

Good Morning Britain, with Piers Morgan and Susanna Reid – December 12th 2016

Needham family plead for information about where Ben is buried

“The family of missing British toddler Ben Needham say they’ll spend the first Christmas in decades coming to terms with the knowledge that he will never be found alive.

In a moment, his mum, Kerry Needham, his sister, Leighanna and his grandmother, Christine join us for the first time since the police operation on the Greek island of Kos finally came to an end.

Let’s recap with Keira Durkan.

Voice-over (VO): “More than 25 years after Ben vanished, and 300 reported sightings of the toddler, this September South Yorkshire Police began excavations on the family’s former holiday home in Greece, close to where he was last seen in 1991. The search was prompted by information that he may have been killed in an accident involving a digger.”

September video of Kerry Needham speaking: “It’s not the best solution but it will eventually, you know, lay it to rest for us. We’re all, we’re all extremely tired and distressed.”

VO: “For 3 weeks, the 19- strong team, in painstakingly unearthed 93 items of interest. The day before the search was due to end, they found a toy car. His mother confirmed it was his, leading the police to conclude that Ben died on the day he disappeared.”

DCI Cousins “They’ve had 25 years wanting an answer in relation to this and this is the answer that we are able to give them- at this stage.”

Piers Morgan (PM): “Well, Ben’s mother Kerry, grandmother Christine and sister Leighanna are here with us. Thank you, all of you, for coming here today. Look, it’s a heart- breaking story that we’ve been following for 25 years. You’ve been living it because Ben is your boy. Let me ask you a difficult question, because I saw the passion and emotion that you’ve been showing about this- the government should be doing more- what more can they do, given that we all got our hopes raised, yours in particular, that we may be able to get to the bottom of this. It didn’t happen. What more can they physically do that they’re not doing, do you think?”

Kerry Needham (KN): “We know for a fact that erm, there is people on Kos that know what happened to Ben that day. The police have got witness statements from some people. We still believe that there is other people on the island that know where he is.”

PM: “But it may be that the key person is now dead and therefore you’ll never be able to ask the key question of potentially the key witness, if that is the case.”

KN: “We have, we have been assured really, by South Yorkshire Police, that people do know, they do know but they’ve lied.”

PM: “Other people?”

KN: “Other people. Yes, on the island.”

Christine Needham (CN): “Yeah, also, there is one other guy who was with the digger driver that day who swears he was with him 24/7, 24/7… quotes - I was his banksman. I was this, I never left his side, we went to lunch together- They didn’t go to lunch together at all because our police have checked.”


PM: “So you think there are people still alive who are lying?”

CN: “Yes, there’s at least one person, yes absolutely, yes.”

Susanna Reid (SR): “Christine, you were the last person to see Ben alive (C –yes) weren’t you?

CN: “Yes”

SR: “What do you believe happened? What was he doing at that moment and what do you think happened after that?”

CN: “I can’t comprehend it, I just can’t because it’s such a relaxing place, here, you’ve got your holiday brain on.. I can’t ..”

SR: “Was he just playing?”

CN “Yes, just playing, just playing outside, I mean in an area where there was no traffic, there’s no more children, where there’s no animals. Where, I mean, the machine digger when I went over there, there wasn’t a machine digger. People think we.. I took Ben to a building site. I did not.

Leighanna Needham (LN): “Bearing in mind that we are talking about a completely different era as well.”

CN: “Yeah”

LN: “…it was the 1990s and these sort of things were completely unheard of.”

CN: “Yeah. Of course I let them him play outside, we wouldn’t let him play outside in Sheffield.

PM: “Do you? . Let me ask you another hard question. Do you accept, as a family, that Ben is dead?”

CN: “Yes”

PM: “You’ve come to terms with that?”

CN: “Yes, well, we’ve not come to terms… ( K we’re trying ..)

PM “You’ll never really come to terms with it ..

CN: “We know it’s the truth.”

PM: “But you’ve come to terms with the fact that he is dead?”


CN: “Yes, we know it’s the truth.”

PM: “And now it’s about being able to find his body?”(Yes) and bring him home (Yes)”

KN: “He deserves that..”

CN: “He deserves that, why.. .”

KN: “He does deserve that.. we deserve it, .”

CN: “We’re not asking very much, do you know what I mean? And we’ve never gone, poor us, poor us. We don’t do that, we just get on with it and we’re focused. But it’s time somebody just gave us a bit of respect, do you know, just a little…”

KN: “We’ve got to keep the investigation going. We’ve got to stay strong.”

CN: “Yeah, there is at least one person knows.”

PM: “The police have said that the investigation is not closed (CN – yes, not closed, both say yes and nod) and they are continuing and I mean the police, let’s be fair to the police here (Yes, absolutely) they’ve done an amazing job trying, trying to give you what you want (CN – yes they have) ( and more) and it’s a difficult investigation so long after the event. Leighanna, you’re all so passionate and eloquent about this, it’s obviously heart- rending for you as a family, but if you want the government to do more, what is it you want them to do now?”

LN: “To put pressure onto the Greek authorities as Ben is a British citizen and that British passport says that he is protected now, whether he is alive or whether he is no longer alive, he should still be protected as a British citizen and my mum needs answers. She’s lived this for 25 years and a lot of it unnecessarily. I’ve been brought up into it all and it’s not an easy thing to do, it’s not an easy thing to watch your family every day, never knowing how they’re going to be.”

SR: “And this is a little boy that you never knew.”

LN: “I never knew, exactly. And now, my little girl, I’ve got a little girl of my own and she’s at the same age. I couldn’t imagine having to go through what these guys have been through and what I’ve had to sort of witness over the years, I wouldn’t wish that on Hermione. I couldn’t do that to her and put her.. see her go through that.”

PM: “Kerry, you’ve been inundated with the public support ( Yeah absolutely) What would you like to say to everyone who’s been rooting for you?”

KN: “Amazing. Thank you. We, I don’t actually think we could have done it without them, you know, just the support they’ve shown, the messages we have had from everybody. It really has given us drive and strength, to know that we’re not alone and out there… erm, unbelievable. It is actually unbelievable, I never expected it, to be quite honest. I know there’s a lot of people out there that are sort of saying they don’t believe this is what’s happened. We do. The police have got that, hold that information, they wouldn’t have told us that if that’s not what they thought. We just need them to and people to keep continuing supporting us, you know try and like Leighanna said, we need pressure still on the Greek police and the Greek authorities to keep this active and open. There are people on Kos that know what happened and probably know where Ben is buried.”

SR: “You want to put him to rest?”

KN: “Absolutely”

SR: “And you want your minds put at rest?”(KN nods) about exactly what happened on that day?”

CN: “Definitely”

KN: ”Yeah”

PM: “Kerry, Christine and Leighanna, thank you so much and all the best with what happens.”

Andrew wrote:

Helenmeg wrote:Yes and I followed you merrily...
But really I will not be surprised if a member of Ben's family was involved in his accidental death ... but wonder how they kept it from the rest of the family
for so long. If that is the case then it must have been someone very immature imo.

Personally, I think it's rather telling that Grandpa Eddie has been omitted from all the sofa business for a long time now.

Yes it's just the 3 girls - all so very alike to look at. A very distinctive look about them. They all appear to be telling the truth as they know it - it cant be just brilliant acting.
But are the men falling apart? So intrigued.

Andrew wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4097130/No-one-hide-conscience-Ben-Needham-s-mother-begs-knows-happened-toddler-son-25-years-ago-come-forward.html

From the article.

Police believe Ben died in an accident involving a digger

Do they?

Andrew wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/you-cant-hide-forever-ben-9579338

From this link also.

South Yorkshire Police believe 21-month-old Ben was crushed accidentally by digger driver Konstantinos “Dino” Barkas and his body hidden elsewhere.

But DI Cousins only says.

Det Insp Jon Cousins, who led the investigation, said: “It is my professional belief that Ben Needham died as a result of an accident near to the farmhouse in Iraklis where he was last seen playing.”

Will put Mo's link from the other thread here as well. (Thanks Mo - will have a proper read through later on)

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/games.html

it is still my professional belief that Ben died as a result of a tragic incident at the farmhouse involving heavy machinery."


What heavy machinery at the farm house.

Helenmeg wrote:it is still my professional belief that Ben died as a result of a tragic incident at the farmhouse involving heavy machinery."


What heavy machinery at the farm house.

The digger was "borrowed" after Konstantinos and co had left their site for the day/lunch?