The Strange Case of Nora Quoirin

A report in last night's evening paper said that Nora's father found her room empty - where were the other two then? It could be an error of course.

Further to my reply to Bampots about the authorities in the U K not falling over themselves because Nora is not British, I've realised that, as her mother is from Northern Ireland, she is half British so why the delay in rushing out there?!

Freedom wrote:A report in last night's evening paper said that Nora's father found her room empty - where were the other two then? It could be an error of course.

Further to my reply to Bampots about the authorities in the U K not falling over themselves because Nora is not British, I've realised that, as her mother is from Northern Ireland, she is half British so why the delay in rushing out there?!

This gets stranger and stranger.

Logically the two younger children would have noticed her missing as they shared a room. When they woke up and did not see her they would have assumed she was in the toilet or possibly in the kitchen getting herself a drink. But when they got up for the toilet etc they would have realised she was not in the lodge and would have told their parents. This inconsistency may just have been the media being creative as has happened so often. But something is very wrong here and I suspect the girl is dead.

Just heard on the radio news that police have now interviewed 20 people including the parents and resort staff. Police still treating it as a missing person case.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9672271/missing-nora-quoirin-malaysia-latest-update/

First mention that I've seen of the McCann case.

The discrepancy over the sleeping arrangements is mentioned here.

More news from the radio. Siblings are 9 and 12.

Some discrepancy about the window that was open - now it seems to have been the living room window. It was a 2 story cottage - bedrooms upstairs.

Grandfather gave interview to journalist on the radio. Referred to it being a minor learning difficulty - this makes her not as vulnerable as claimed surely?

Freedom wrote:A report in last night's evening paper said that Nora's father found her room empty - where were the other two then? It could be an error of course.

Further to my reply to Bampots about the authorities in the U K not falling over themselves because Nora is not British, I've realised that, as her mother is from Northern Ireland, she is half British so why the delay in rushing out there?!

Her mother is Irish (maiden name Agnew) and her father is French. She's travelling on an Irish passport in spite of her parents living in London for the past 20 years. So...no need for the pesky British government to get involved.

Her mother is Northern Irish though so that makes her half British.

No sign of the parents making a public appeal which is unusual and that makes them different from the McCanns. The promoting of the GoFundMe account on dad's Facebook page worries me though! More than £50,000.00 raised so far.

https://www.facebook.com/sebquoirin

My theory :

The two siblings were excited at being in this new world - eco forest with animals(?) - they had slept on the plane and not tired. They persuaded their sister to accompany them on their midnight adventure, maybe called her a spoilsport when she initially refused. meanwhile the parent were exhausted after the long journey and in deep sleep. the three children left by the groundfloor window and then were in completely unknown terrain. There was an accident - maybe she went into the river and drowned. The younger pair were terrified. They fled back and pretended they were there all the time - left the window open so it was the abductor who took her.

That is a completely amazing theory...but it could also be one that could be completely possible! I wonder if anyone has considered that possibility... when children of that age are terrified, they might lie to cover themselves because of the fear of what might happen to them if their parents found out...

I do wonder though why no one has found Nora yet... surely if something terrible happened, her body would have been located by now.

I'm sure that adults too are capable of lying for fear of the truth about something emerging!

Nora supposedly left wearing only her underclothes - not very likely I would have thought that her siblings would have let her do this, even if she was happy to do so herself.

An appeal from Nora's aunt - possibly they are her parents with her?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-49271096/nora-quoirin-missing-girl-s-aunt-makes-emotional-appeal

Pictures of the window...
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2019/08/08/police-only-exit-used-in-missing-irish-teen-case-was-glass-window-other-rou/1778895

It seems the police are confident she climbed out of the window, as it can only be opened from the inside.
One would assume, therefore, that in the absence of any signs of forced entry:
a) she climbed out of the window on her own (was she able to open it on her own?)
b) she was taken out of the window by an abductor (why not just go through the door?) (and how did the abductor get inside the bungalow in the first place?)
c) she went out of the window with her siblings (again, why not just go through the door?)
d) it was staged to look like an abduction and something else happened.

This gets stranger and stranger. I take it that the room is not a bedroom - it doesn't look like one - so why the reports that Nora was found to have disappeared from there?

I hope that we find out what happened to her.

Freedom wrote:This gets stranger and stranger. I take it that the room is not a bedroom - it doesn't look like one - so why the reports that Nora was found to have disappeared from there?

I hope that we find out what happened to her.

Reports have clarified that the bedrooms were upstairs, and that this is a downstairs window in the "living area".
Nora was asleep upstairs with her brother and sister in one bedroom, and her parents in the other bedroom.
They've clarified that the window that was found open was downstairs in the living area.

canada12 wrote:Pictures of the window...
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2019/08/08/police-only-exit-used-in-missing-irish-teen-case-was-glass-window-other-rou/1778895

It seems the police are confident she climbed out of the window, as it can only be opened from the inside.
One would assume, therefore, that in the absence of any signs of forced entry:
a) she climbed out of the window on her own (was she able to open it on her own?)
b) she was taken out of the window by an abductor (why not just go through the door?) (and how did the abductor get inside the bungalow in the first place?)
c) she went out of the window with her siblings (again, why not just go through the door?)
d) it was staged to look like an abduction and something else happened.

Has anyone noticed that there isn't a handle on this window to open it or lock it. It is just half a window that opens and closes but not possible to close securely.
It opens outward not into the room which would be the norm.

How strange - who would want that sort of window that surely must be very difficult to open without a handle.

I take it that the triangular shaped object a little way up from the bottom isn't a handle but part of whatever that is on the left.

According to this link, the window can be opened from the outside if unlocked.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-teenager-missing-malaysian-jungle-18875912

Freedom wrote:Her mother is Northern Irish though so that makes her half British.

No sign of the parents making a public appeal which is unusual and that makes them different from the McCanns. The promoting of the GoFundMe account on dad's Facebook page worries me though! More than £50,000.00 raised so far.

https://www.facebook.com/sebquoirin

The fund worries me a bit too! Now up to £77,562 of £100,000 goal.

There's a second fund too for donating in euros https://www.gofundme.com/retrouver-nora-quoirin €10,804 of €20,000 goal

That's a heck of a lot of money already!

Yes it's very odd. Why would there be a need to raise money?

Okay, the family may need to spend more time away from home than planned but, if you needed more money, that's something you'd ask friends and relatives for.

It's beginning to sound more and more like the McCanns, whom I feel sure knew that their daughter would never be found.

One of the more peculiar details of this case is that the mother and father arrived in Malaysia separately. The mother apparently had arrived from Singapore after visiting Sydney, and the father and the children arrived from London all within about 30 minutes of each other.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-teenager-missing-malaysian-jungle-18875912

Maybe Mrs Q took the opportunity to visit friends or relatives before rejoining the family - there's possibly nothing strange about that.

From a quick read up about the medical condition holoprosencephaly which is given as the one that Nora has, she must be a fairly mild case. There are some very distressing photos of children born with it; they don't usually survive for long.

They've brought in the shamans and the cadaver dogs now...
I wonder if they're the same kind of cadaver dogs that picked up the scent of death in Madeleine's flat...
And if so, whether they have been allowed to search the house where Nora was staying...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/12/malaysian-shaman-called-nora-quoirin-search-says-lured-genie-10558586/

Oh dear, this makes the clairvoyants and assorted weirdos who've attached themselves to the McCanns look comparatively sane.