Re: Operation Grange

Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 2:46 pm

costello wrote: Just my thoughts, as the budding optimist.

Don't let my pessimism rub off.

costello Wed 08 Apr 2015, 2:49 pm

Thanks for that, caricature, I thought the book was banned here.

Guest Wed 08 Apr 2015, 2:55 pm

costello wrote:Thanks for that, caricature, I thought the book was banned here.

Not 100% sure it isn't,but thats my understanding.

costello Wed 08 Apr 2015, 3:19 pm

caricature wrote:
costello wrote: Just my thoughts, as the budding optimist.

Don't let my pessimism rub off.

Don't worry I do have the occasional "wobble" from time to time. I am sure lots of us do.

Andrew Wed 08 Apr 2015, 3:45 pm

Mimi wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Mimi wrote:Didn`t Ironside throw in the towel as well, after speaking to someone at SY ? She was really disheartened and more or less said it was pointless going on.

But she didn't give any more information though. I really wouldn't expect the police to tell a member of the public anything to do with the investigation, or what they were doing. She probably got stock responses to any questions, which probably made her feel they were not going in the right direction or doing enough. Police just don't hold conversations with the public as to where any investigation is going. You usually get answers like 'our enquiries are ongoing' blah blah.

Yes, it was odd that she didn`t say why. You`re right about police not giving info away but I got the impression she spoken to a person who accidentally gave something away. I remember she was dreadfully upset.

Could Ironside perhaps been paid off with some hush/incentive money....

Really don't know.

Not the first by the sounds of it.

SY/OG aren't going to give 'updates' to anyone regardless.

Guest Sun 19 Apr 2015, 9:39 am

Surprisingly or not,depending on your point of view,OG/SY is very quiet,no new leads to follow so it seems,not from TM at least. But for me at least the news that the head of the public prosecutions is under criticism and pressure from the Home secretary regarding the decision not to charge Janner because of ill health brings a little hope that OG won't be a whitewash.Misplaced optimism maybe,but hey the suns shining.

costello Sun 19 Apr 2015, 9:43 am

caricature wrote:Surprisingly or not,depending on your point of view,OG/SY is very quiet,no new leads to follow so it seems,not from TM at least. But for me at least the news that the head of the public prosecutions is under criticism and pressure from the Home secretary regarding the decision not to charge Janner because of ill health brings a little hope that OG won't be a whitewash.Misplaced optimism maybe,but hey the suns shining.

I am hoping it's the calm before the storm, so to speak.

Guest Sun 19 Apr 2015, 9:19 pm

Its hard to argue against this.

t is not a question of what the Metropolitan Police believe, know of the McCanns, their buddies. It is not a question of the Metropolitan Police fooling the public, or making themselves look foolish.

It is a question of the agenda they are following, being forced to look foolish, not choosing to make themselves look foolish, and after 4 years, with no arrests imminent, no evidence of any abduction, no suspects, whitewash has to rate highly as being the agenda!

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Metropolitan_Police.html

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 3:48 pm

That's only his/her (l-azzeri's) opinion though, like most people on any forum, it doesn't mean that his/her opinion is the right one, unless he/she has inside information which I doubt very much.

chirpyinsect Mon 20 Apr 2015, 4:09 pm

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:
caricature wrote:Its hard to argue against this.

t is not a question of what the Metropolitan Police believe, know of the McCanns, their buddies. It is not a question of the Metropolitan Police fooling the public, or making themselves look foolish.

It is a question of the agenda they are following, being forced to look foolish, not choosing to make themselves look foolish, and after 4 years, with no arrests imminent, no evidence of any abduction, no suspects, whitewash has to rate highly as being the agenda!

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Metropolitan_Police.html

That's only his/her (l-azzeri's) opinion though, like most people on any forum, it doesn't mean that his/her opinion is the right one, unless he/she has inside information which I doubt very much.

In my opinion Laz is very strongly influenced by the thinking of a certain person who hangs out in another place and who has a very dictatorial attitude, so she would say that.

**Freedom** Mon 20 Apr 2015, 4:12 pm

I think it has been discussed before that L-Azzeri is most likely to be a member (or members) of CMoMM.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 4:28 pm

Freedom wrote:I think it has been discussed before that L-Azzeri is most likely to be a member (or members) of CMoMM.

There is a certain style in the writings it can be said,as others have said its only an opinion.

**Freedom** Mon 20 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm

Exactly - I don't know why some people get so wound up by what bloggers say.

If you agree with them, fine.

If you don't, why make a song and dance about it, just stop reading them.

Châtelaine Mon 20 Apr 2015, 4:57 pm

Freedom wrote:Exactly - I don't know why some people get so wound up by what bloggers say.

If you agree with them, fine.

If you don't, why make a song and dance about it, just stop reading them.

***
That's what I do ... Wink

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:24 pm

One thing I did notice from the Crime Watch programme from last October that Bennett denied that Kate McCann had a look of horror on her face when the Smith e-fit was shown on the programme. The look of horror on her face stood out to me so why would Bennett deny that didn't happen when even other members on forums said they saw it also? GM had his back to the screen so didn't see it, was I imaging things or what?

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:29 pm

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:One thing I did notice from the Crime Watch programme fromlast October that Bennett denied that Kate McCann had a look of horror on her face when the Smith e-fit was shown on the programme. The look of horror on her face stood out to me so why would Bennett deny that didn't happen when even other members on forums said they saw it also? GM had his back to the screen so didn't see it, was I imaging things or what?

I think you imagined it,it was 2013.Sorry couldn't resist.

**Freedom** Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:31 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

Here is the 2013 Crimewatch programme.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:40 pm

Freedom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

This is the Crimewatch programme. I haven't yet tried to find the bit you mean, DFM.

Sorry, I can't really view too many youtube videos as I'm very limited to my monthly internet allowance unless I pay excess charges and I still have over a week or more to go.

As far as I can remember it was when it cut from the female presenter (sorry can't remember her name) then went to K & G sitting in chairs, Redwood then said about the man seen walking through PDL with a child who looked like Madeleine who was seen by a number of people walking home from a bar. KM looks to her right across the back of GM and she looks shell shocked (to me), a photo of Smithman is then shown on the back wall behind GM, he is oblivious to it as his back is against the photo. Obviously it was the e-fits they'd been hiding for a number of years, otherwise why would KM look shell shocked, she'd realised in that split second that OG had got their hands on them.

That's all I can remember at the moment.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:51 pm

Freedom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

Here is the 2013 Crimewatch programme.

I've just done a quick scan and can't see the part DFM refers too,was it a photo shop by someone?

chirpyinsect Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:52 pm

Freedom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

Here is the 2013 Crimewatch programme.

Interestingly about 4 mins in a police officer holds up the spotty top picture of M and it is flipped.

**Freedom** Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:55 pm

That's ringing a bell now, Caricature. I think that the e-fits of Smithman which were shown while the McCanns were on screen were indeed not as they really appeared on the programme.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 5:58 pm

caricature wrote:
Freedom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

Here is the 2013 Crimewatch programme.

I've just done a quick scan and can't see the part DFM refers too,was it a photo shop by someone?

I'm only going by memory as it was such a long time ago now, but KM definitely had a look of horror on her face, as other people have also mentioned. Perhaps other members can elaborate on that.

I'm not willing to view the youtube vid again and get an excess charge from BT, the McCanns aren't worth it.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 6:03 pm

Just done another quick scan,I've taken a screen shot but can't post it for some reason,any how they are in front of some blinds when talking to K Young? I believe,I know the image that DFM mentions,can't see it on the vid though.

Guest Mon 20 Apr 2015, 6:09 pm

caricature wrote:Just done another quick scan,I've taken a screen shot but can't post it for some reason,any how they are in front of some blinds when talking to K Young? I believe,I know the image that DFM mentions,can't see it on the vid though.

Nope, that's not what I was referring to. K & G were sitting in chairs, AR starts talking, KG looks to her right just as they were about to start the interview and her mouth falls open as if she's seen a ghost. I'm not imagining things, I know what I saw.

Dee Coy Mon 20 Apr 2015, 6:10 pm

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:
caricature wrote:
Freedom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y

Here is the 2013 Crimewatch programme.

I've just done a quick scan and can't see the part DFM refers too,was it a photo shop by someone?

I'm only going by memory as it was such a long time ago now, but KM definitely had a look of horror on her face, as other people have also mentioned. Perhaps other members can elaborate on that.

I'm not willing to view the youtube vid again and get an excess charge from BT, the McCanns aren't worth it.

Do you mean this shot, DFM? Sadly, it was proven to be photoshopped - see these old posts from the Compilation of Photos thread:

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t266p30-compilation-of-photos

canada12 wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:

That picture is photoshopped. Someone has pasted the efit picture over the screen showing Maddie's face.

If you look at the footage, that view of Redwood and the McCanns happens at approximately 29.15 into the video. Redwood is actually talking about the other totally unrelated efits of the other suspects seen hanging around the apartment that week. Nothing to do with Smithman or the elimination of Tannerman.

The 'shocked' look is a coincidence, I'm afraid, just one screengrab from a moving film. We all know how many expressions can be caught if you analyse a film frame by frame. And the Smithman efit over Gerry has been edited in.

Check out the vid at 29.15.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=feJKnsIObck&feature=youtu.be

Perhaps a cleverer person than me could post the screenshot for comparison?

ETA. At 22.30, however, does Gerry make a mistake? He says something like 'Certainly, if we could get a message to her, we'd tell her how much we loved her'.

"Loved" is spoken quite definitely in the past tense.

Yes, unfortunately it does look like someone's been up to some mischief. Here is a screengrab of that video with the correct pictures in place at the top of the screen.

I did think it was a little bit of mischief the first time this surfaced. Sadly, this confirms it.

However there's no getting around the fact that the efit in the top picture does look remarkably like Gerry, right down to the expression on his face.

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