Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

I must admit that I disapprove of people making no effort to learn the language of the country they choose to live in; that doesn't mean though that Mrs Fenn is not to be believed!

Freedom wrote:I must admit that I disapprove of people making no effort to learn the language of the country they choose to live in; that doesn't mean though that Mrs Fenn is not to be believed!

I quite agree,just seems odd,although I doubt she'd be the last.

On subject of where Mrs Fenn lives have read of this if anybody interested.....


http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/mysteries-of-non-cryptic-photograph.html

Just realised Mrs Fenn was next door to the Paynes.

candyfloss wrote:

candyfloss wrote:There is a photo of Mrs Fenn going into her apartment directly above 5a, and also another of her on the balcony.

From this picture it would be very difficult for an elderly lady to lean over to see anyone on the balcony below due to the overhanging pantiles.

It does look difficult, maybe he was in the flower part?

dogs don't lie wrote:It does look difficult, maybe he was in the flower part?

To be fair she doesnt actually say they were on the balcony. She says she had seen Kate and spoke to Gerry. She had a view of the floor below by looking over the terrace. So they could have been standing in the garden.

Not sure if my refs to the Tanner girl's Wednesday meltdown belongs here but it is related to Mrs Fenn's statement so can't think where else to post


Russell O Brien made his rogatory statement same date iirc as Jane, but unlike her portrays the Wednesday as being unremarkable.
Bold mine,

Monday to Wednesday I can say that the days were all very similar and it is difficult to distinguish one from each other. I know that on one of the evenings either Monday or Tuesday I stayed in the flat with Evie as she wasn’t well Jane brought my meals over to me this was mentioned in my first statement. I feel that this is more likely to have been Monday as I feel that we were all together as a group on Tuesday- nine adults. I believe that this was when the Trivia quiz had taken place.

I recall going for a sailing lesson on Tuesday and Jane went to play tennis, we collected the kids as usual around lunchtime, Kate and Gerry had lunch in their apartment as they did on most days. I went out in the afternoon to the beach I was with Matt and as far as I can recall we went out kayaking. The children were in bed as usual 19:30-20:00 they appeared to be well asleep and checked that they were prior to leaving the days were generally uneventful up until Thursday 3rd May 2007.



On Wednesday Rachael was ill, we stayed out later than normal, after our meal we sat around and then moved into the bar area we stayed for around 45minutes to an hour, this was our only ‘late night’ of the holiday, I recall we had a cocktail. Checks were made as usual we would alternate completing the checks and this was done every half hour or so. I listened at (page 5) the MC CANN’S apartment and believe that this was around 23:00hours, on all occasions the children were ok. During the week I checked on some occasions and listened at others

Just giving this a bump as it is being said again by nameless that Mrs Fenn is lying as is her niece?

I personally wonder why anyone would lie about a missing child?  Why.

Those who know what happened to a child and want to escape being brought to justice - generally speaking of course - would tell a pie of porkies.

No David Cameron jokes here please!

Genuine independent witnesses aren't likely to though.

candyfloss wrote:Just giving this a bump as it is being said again by nameless that Mrs Fenn is lying as is her niece?

I personally wonder why anyone would lie about a missing child?  Why.

I would be surprised if it was discovered Mrs. Fenn lied. I can`t remember who started this theory. Maybe it came about because Mrs. Fenn got flustered when the press were pursuing her and told them its all rubbish (or something similar). We then got people who were suspicious about Murat saying that Jenny Murat was friends with Pamela Fenn and suggesting the statement she made was in collusion with Jenny Murat. I don`t really see how it alters things though.

The nameless one is using quotes from the tabloids to 'prove' that Mrs Fenn and her niece Carole lied because the tabloid quotes are not consistent with their rogatory statements. Why would they be? Are tabloids always 100% factually accurate including the quotes in articles? And remember, Clarence was bombarding the media with press releases which would have been printed usually with some changes to make it look as if that paper had an 'exclusive.'

the nameless one who is short of socks believes that they would commit perjury as they were part of the Murat (Robert & Jenny) circle whatever that exactly means. Why has he such a low opinion of people that he believes they will commit perjury based on casual acquaintanceship?

I'm reminded again of Kate's account of Mrs. Fenn on the evening of Madeleine's alleged disappearance. Kate writes in "Exhibit 1 for the prosecution", that Mrs Fenn came to ask what all the hectic was about and that when Kate replied, that her child had gone missing MrsFenn said: "Oh, I see" as if it was about "a can of beans which had fallen from a shelf".

This has always intrigued me, especially since Dreyfuss' bestseller [in France ...] "Belle Famille". This novel is so obviously based on the McCann story, that's a miracle they haven't sued him yet ;-) In the book Madeleine's alter ego dies falling from a chair in the kitchen whilst trying to retrieve his [it's a boy in the book] favourite mascotte, which has been placed on a high shelf for punishment ...

Mimi, I don't remember Robert Murat saying (or quoted as saying) that his mother was friends with Mrs Fenn.

It's likely they knew each other as fellow Brits but was it any more than that?

Freedom wrote:Mimi, I don't remember Robert Murat saying (or quoted as saying) that his mother was friends with Mrs Fenn.

It's likely they knew each other as fellow Brits but was it any more than that?

You`re right about it not coming from Robert Murat.  I can`t remember who first made the claim - I`ll do a bit of digging.

I can only remember it coming from someone on CMoMM!

In Paolo Jorge da Costa`s (GNR) statement, he says that RM told him (obviously speaking in Portuguese) that :-

"That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them."

I must say that this indicates RM did not know who the `foreign woman` was, which he surely would have if his mother had been friends with her.

"Witness Statement

Date: 2007/05/16

Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1996. He is a soldier and works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May when he was at home, he was contacted by the GNR post commander who asked him to go to P da L.

He arrived at the OC at 00.05 on 4th May having contacted his colleague Nelson Costa who informed him about the situation.

After having been informed he began to search the perimeter of the tourist complex. First he revised the perimeter alone and was later accompanied by Officer Pimentel. During his time on the scene he did not talk to anyone.

Neither did he enter the apartment from which Madeleine had disappeared. There many people at the scene but nobody particularly drew his attention.

When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

Freedom wrote:I can only remember it coming from someone on CMoMM!

Looks like you could be right.  I`ll continue digging. (after I`ve walked the dog).

Wasn't there something about Mrs Fenn supposedly ringing the Murat's when she heard the child crying for a length of time?

It's in the statement above that a woman phoned the Murats but she is unnamed - unlikely if she was known to them as a friend.

Why would this 'foreign woman' ring up Robert Murat in the first place (if they didn't know each other)

Or am I missing something...

Andrew wrote:Why would this 'foreign woman' ring up Robert Murat in the first place (if they didn't know each other)

Or am I missing something...

I doubt Murat would refer to an elderly English lady (Mrs Fenn) as a "foreign woman", he would know the person on the phone was English.

It could have been someone living in one of the other apartments who was sick of listening to the crying but didn't want to contact the police but knew that RM was a well known person for sorting problems out in the area and thought he would be able to help instead.

Cheers, makes sense.

Although who is this 'foreign woman'...

Andrew wrote:Cheers, makes sense.

Although who is this 'foreign woman'...

Robert Murat could have been a sort of "Neighbourhood Watch" person for the local residents as we have in the UK. If anyone has any problems with anything unusual they go to RM as he speaks English and Portuguese and he was well known around the area. Perhaps the "foreign lady" in question didn't leave her name or didn't want to give her name but knew the crying was coming from an apartment occupied with English people with 3 children, either if she lived in the complex or very nearby.

Yeah, I get that and agree.

Just intrigued why she doesn't have a name..

(or in the withheld stuff I guess)

Surely the police themselves would of spoke to her...