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Andrew Mon 31 Oct 2016, 3:38 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890230/Parents-neglected-baby-fire-cover-tracks.html
A couple who placed their dead 18-week-old baby in front of a gas fire in an attempt cover their tracks of neglect have been jailed.
Daniel Sheard, 24, and Lucy Damen, 22, from Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, failed to get medical help for Kayleigh Sheard, despite her suffering bruises, bites and numerous fractures to her ribs, shoulder and arm over one third of her life.
Sheard received a six-year sentence after being convicted of child cruelty by a jury at Leeds Crown Court, while Damen was jailed for four-and-a-half years after earlier pleading guilty to the same charge.
I think those sentences handed out are a joke.
They should've got a hell of a lot more than that.
A couple who placed their dead 18-week-old baby in front of a gas fire in an attempt cover their tracks of neglect have been jailed.
Daniel Sheard, 24, and Lucy Damen, 22, from Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, failed to get medical help for Kayleigh Sheard, despite her suffering bruises, bites and numerous fractures to her ribs, shoulder and arm over one third of her life.
Sheard received a six-year sentence after being convicted of child cruelty by a jury at Leeds Crown Court, while Damen was jailed for four-and-a-half years after earlier pleading guilty to the same charge.
I think those sentences handed out are a joke.
They should've got a hell of a lot more than that.
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joyce1938 Mon 31 Oct 2016, 11:32 pm
I think a good idea would be to sterelize both of those type of parents .joyce1938
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joyce1938 wrote:I think a good idea would be to sterelize both of those type of parents .joyce1938
Totally agree!
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Andrew Wed 02 Nov 2016, 10:32 pm
Just to change the subject quickly, I was just watching about this on ITV news and then read it on the DM.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3898134/Father-23-shook-killed-13-DAY-OLD-son-inflicting-worst-injuries-doctors-seen-guilty-murder.html
This scumbag is being sentenced tomorrow and I truly hope they throw the book at him and he gets a minimum 25 years. (He'd never be released if I was the judge)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3898134/Father-23-shook-killed-13-DAY-OLD-son-inflicting-worst-injuries-doctors-seen-guilty-murder.html
This scumbag is being sentenced tomorrow and I truly hope they throw the book at him and he gets a minimum 25 years. (He'd never be released if I was the judge)
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Andrew Wed 02 Nov 2016, 10:39 pm
Another misc case I was just reading about:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/body-girl-4-found-stuffed-9182081
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Police believe the girl's mother and her then boyfriend panicked when she died because they had a history with law enforcement authorities.
Instead of reporting the death, the couple wrapped the little girl’s body up and put it in the container, Q13Fox reports.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/body-girl-4-found-stuffed-9182081
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Police believe the girl's mother and her then boyfriend panicked when she died because they had a history with law enforcement authorities.
Instead of reporting the death, the couple wrapped the little girl’s body up and put it in the container, Q13Fox reports.
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Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 4:07 pm
Andrew wrote:Just to change the subject quickly, I was just watching about this on ITV news and then read it on the DM.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3898134/Father-23-shook-killed-13-DAY-OLD-son-inflicting-worst-injuries-doctors-seen-guilty-murder.html
This scumbag is being sentenced tomorrow and I truly hope they throw the book at him and he gets a minimum 25 years. (He'd never be released if I was the judge)
Been told said scumbag got 15 years. Not seen it in the news yet though.
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Andrew Thu 03 Nov 2016, 9:13 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3901684/Mother-murdered-Mildura-toddler-Nikki-Francis-Coslovich-told-undercover-cop-story-straight.html
'Clever and cunning' mum of two-year-old toddler found dead in a roof cavity told an undercover cop she 'had to get her story straight' over the girl's death
John Torney is on trial for murdering Nikki Francis-Coslovich, two, in 2015
Her mother, Peta-Ann Francis, took the witness stand in court in Mildura
The court was played a recording of her speaking to undercover police
Ms Francis said in the secret recording she had to 'get her story right'
A court also heard audio of John Torney's confession to hiding her body
Mr Torney said the girl's mother killed her and asked him to hide her
Mr Torney had been in a relationship with Ms Francis when Nikki died
The mother of murdered toddler Nikki Francis-Coslovich has been accused in court of being 'cunning' and' manipulative'.
The two-year-old daughter of Peta-Ann Francis was found in the roof of her Mildura, Victoria, home in August 2015. Her then-partner, John Torney, is on trial for the girl's murder.
The Victorian Supreme Court jury heard secret recordings from an undercover police officer who befriended Ms Francis, The Age reported.
John Torney - who has been charged with Nikki's murder - in court blamed Ms Francis for the toddler's death
Ms Francis only found out in the witness stand her friend 'Steph' was in fact assigned to speak to her by the police homicide squad.
Nikki Francis-Coslovich, two, was found in the roof of her mother's Mildura home in August last year
On Wedneday, the court heard audio of Mr Torney confessing to hiding the body of two-year-old Nikki Francis-Coslovich.
In a conversation with police, recorded in secret, Mr Torney said: 'It's eating me up inside, I can't hold back anymore, I've got to get it out.'
Nikki's bruised and beaten body was found hidden in the roof of Ms Francis' home on August 25 last year after she reported her daughter missing.
In the recording played to the court Mr Torney told police Ms Francis had told him she'd 'gone too far ... she'd killed her'.
'She just said that she threw her on the bed, that, that could I help her get rid of the body... I put Nikki in the manhole.'
He said he'd climbed up on a chest of drawers to reach the roof cavity and that he'd 'freaked out' when Ms Francis asked for his help.
When asked in the recording about the point at which he'd decided to come clean, Mr Torney told police he'd been waiting for two days to tell them.
'I've been having nightmares, waking up in hot and cold sweats. I've got to get it off my chest... It's killing me inside. I loved that little girl like she was my own.'
Mr Torney is not Nikki's father but was in a relationship with Ms Francis.
The court has heard them blame the other for murdering the girl.
Mr Torney pleaded not guilty to Nikki's murder in the opening of his trial in Mildura in October and made explosive allegations that Ms Francis had killed her daughter and asked him to hide the body.
But the court heard she told police she 'did not hurt Nikki' and had no idea how her body ended up in the roof of her home.
In a police interview on August 28, 2015, Ms Francis broke down when detectives told her Mr Torney would be charged with murder.
JOHN TORNEY'S CONFESSION TO POLICE
Police: Gerard said you wanted to speak to us about something?
John Torney: Yep.
Police: What's the go?
Mr Torney: Peta killed Nikki. The mother killed her.
Police: Her mother killed her?
Mr Torney: Yeah.
Later in the conversation
Police: What are the circumstances John?
Mr Torney: She killed her, then asked me to help her get rid of the body.
Police: How did this all take place?
Mr Torney: It was whilst we were laying down on the bed that she goes: 'I've gone a bit too far with Nikki' and then 'she's dead'.
Later
Police: Did she say how, or?
Mr Torney: She just said that she threw her on the bed, that, that could I help her get rid of the body...
Police: OK, and what did you do?
Mr Torney: I put Nikki in the manhole. It's eating me up inside. I can't hold back anymore. I've got to get it out.
Later
Police: When did you decide to that you'd come clean and tell us what actually happened?
Mr Torney: I've been wanting to tell youse for the last two days.
Police: Mmm.
Mr Torney: I've been having nightmares, waking up in hot and cold sweats. I've got to get it off my chest.
Police: Mmm.
Mr Torney: It's killing me inside. I loved that little girl like she was my own.
'Why,' she said through her tears in the video played for the jury.
'How could he do it... my baby... how?'
She told police she didn't know anything about what had happened the day Nikki died and Torney hadn't told her anything.
'When? Do you know how she died?' she said.
'I need to know.'
'When I found out she was missing, I searched everywhere a little child would go to,' Ms Francis told police.
She said she had never been into the roof, that she didn't have a ladder, and couldn't stand on a chair because she doesn't have any cartilage in her knees.
Nikki's body was discovered in the roof cavity of the family's Mildura home after Ms Francis reported her missing around 3.30pm on August 25 last year
The court had previously heard Sergeant Kaare Anderson, who responded to the missing person report, thought it was 'very odd' that Ms Francis was smiling and appeared happy when telling police her daughter was missing.
A recording of her triple zero call to report Nikki missing also revealed her giggling while she spoke to the operator.
Ms Francis told the trial 'having the cops at my house makes me nervous'.
'It's a nervous smirk that I have,' Ms Francis said.
She denied Ms Condon's assertion that she referred to her daughter as 'the little cow'.
Ms Francis had told the court earlier she sometimes psychically disciplined her children but never laid a hand on her two-year-old daughter.
'Not hard, it was just a tap. I've never hurt my children,' Ms Francis said.
The trial continues before Justice Elizabeth Hollingworth.
'Clever and cunning' mum of two-year-old toddler found dead in a roof cavity told an undercover cop she 'had to get her story straight' over the girl's death
John Torney is on trial for murdering Nikki Francis-Coslovich, two, in 2015
Her mother, Peta-Ann Francis, took the witness stand in court in Mildura
The court was played a recording of her speaking to undercover police
Ms Francis said in the secret recording she had to 'get her story right'
A court also heard audio of John Torney's confession to hiding her body
Mr Torney said the girl's mother killed her and asked him to hide her
Mr Torney had been in a relationship with Ms Francis when Nikki died
The mother of murdered toddler Nikki Francis-Coslovich has been accused in court of being 'cunning' and' manipulative'.
The two-year-old daughter of Peta-Ann Francis was found in the roof of her Mildura, Victoria, home in August 2015. Her then-partner, John Torney, is on trial for the girl's murder.
The Victorian Supreme Court jury heard secret recordings from an undercover police officer who befriended Ms Francis, The Age reported.
John Torney - who has been charged with Nikki's murder - in court blamed Ms Francis for the toddler's death
Ms Francis only found out in the witness stand her friend 'Steph' was in fact assigned to speak to her by the police homicide squad.
Nikki Francis-Coslovich, two, was found in the roof of her mother's Mildura home in August last year
On Wedneday, the court heard audio of Mr Torney confessing to hiding the body of two-year-old Nikki Francis-Coslovich.
In a conversation with police, recorded in secret, Mr Torney said: 'It's eating me up inside, I can't hold back anymore, I've got to get it out.'
Nikki's bruised and beaten body was found hidden in the roof of Ms Francis' home on August 25 last year after she reported her daughter missing.
In the recording played to the court Mr Torney told police Ms Francis had told him she'd 'gone too far ... she'd killed her'.
'She just said that she threw her on the bed, that, that could I help her get rid of the body... I put Nikki in the manhole.'
He said he'd climbed up on a chest of drawers to reach the roof cavity and that he'd 'freaked out' when Ms Francis asked for his help.
When asked in the recording about the point at which he'd decided to come clean, Mr Torney told police he'd been waiting for two days to tell them.
'I've been having nightmares, waking up in hot and cold sweats. I've got to get it off my chest... It's killing me inside. I loved that little girl like she was my own.'
Mr Torney is not Nikki's father but was in a relationship with Ms Francis.
The court has heard them blame the other for murdering the girl.
Mr Torney pleaded not guilty to Nikki's murder in the opening of his trial in Mildura in October and made explosive allegations that Ms Francis had killed her daughter and asked him to hide the body.
But the court heard she told police she 'did not hurt Nikki' and had no idea how her body ended up in the roof of her home.
In a police interview on August 28, 2015, Ms Francis broke down when detectives told her Mr Torney would be charged with murder.
JOHN TORNEY'S CONFESSION TO POLICE
Police: Gerard said you wanted to speak to us about something?
John Torney: Yep.
Police: What's the go?
Mr Torney: Peta killed Nikki. The mother killed her.
Police: Her mother killed her?
Mr Torney: Yeah.
Later in the conversation
Police: What are the circumstances John?
Mr Torney: She killed her, then asked me to help her get rid of the body.
Police: How did this all take place?
Mr Torney: It was whilst we were laying down on the bed that she goes: 'I've gone a bit too far with Nikki' and then 'she's dead'.
Later
Police: Did she say how, or?
Mr Torney: She just said that she threw her on the bed, that, that could I help her get rid of the body...
Police: OK, and what did you do?
Mr Torney: I put Nikki in the manhole. It's eating me up inside. I can't hold back anymore. I've got to get it out.
Later
Police: When did you decide to that you'd come clean and tell us what actually happened?
Mr Torney: I've been wanting to tell youse for the last two days.
Police: Mmm.
Mr Torney: I've been having nightmares, waking up in hot and cold sweats. I've got to get it off my chest.
Police: Mmm.
Mr Torney: It's killing me inside. I loved that little girl like she was my own.
'Why,' she said through her tears in the video played for the jury.
'How could he do it... my baby... how?'
She told police she didn't know anything about what had happened the day Nikki died and Torney hadn't told her anything.
'When? Do you know how she died?' she said.
'I need to know.'
'When I found out she was missing, I searched everywhere a little child would go to,' Ms Francis told police.
She said she had never been into the roof, that she didn't have a ladder, and couldn't stand on a chair because she doesn't have any cartilage in her knees.
Nikki's body was discovered in the roof cavity of the family's Mildura home after Ms Francis reported her missing around 3.30pm on August 25 last year
The court had previously heard Sergeant Kaare Anderson, who responded to the missing person report, thought it was 'very odd' that Ms Francis was smiling and appeared happy when telling police her daughter was missing.
A recording of her triple zero call to report Nikki missing also revealed her giggling while she spoke to the operator.
Ms Francis told the trial 'having the cops at my house makes me nervous'.
'It's a nervous smirk that I have,' Ms Francis said.
She denied Ms Condon's assertion that she referred to her daughter as 'the little cow'.
Ms Francis had told the court earlier she sometimes psychically disciplined her children but never laid a hand on her two-year-old daughter.
'Not hard, it was just a tap. I've never hurt my children,' Ms Francis said.
The trial continues before Justice Elizabeth Hollingworth.
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Andrew Fri 04 Nov 2016, 11:09 am
A bit more on the above story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3904628/Accused-murderer-Nikki-Francis-Coslovich-said-hugged-dead-body-five-minutes.html
I can see parallels here with elsewhere.
IMO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3904628/Accused-murderer-Nikki-Francis-Coslovich-said-hugged-dead-body-five-minutes.html
I can see parallels here with elsewhere.
IMO.
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Andrew Sun 06 Nov 2016, 11:28 am
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Freedom Sun 06 Nov 2016, 11:37 am
There will definitely be one of those TV movies about real-life cases made about this one!
Going off at a bit of a tangent, it does illustrate about experts can disagree with each other. You'll know who and what other case I'm thinking of now!
The prosecution and defence experts came to different conclusions as to whether the crash was an accident or caused deliberately.
Going off at a bit of a tangent, it does illustrate about experts can disagree with each other. You'll know who and what other case I'm thinking of now!
The prosecution and defence experts came to different conclusions as to whether the crash was an accident or caused deliberately.
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Andrew Sun 06 Nov 2016, 11:59 am
My first thought as well after reading it was they'll make a movie about it.
Off topic - but since late last night I can't access the Daily Mail website properly. The layout has all gone to pot. Can someone else just check to see if it's ok and just me or there is a problem with it. Thanks.
Off topic - but since late last night I can't access the Daily Mail website properly. The layout has all gone to pot. Can someone else just check to see if it's ok and just me or there is a problem with it. Thanks.
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Andrew Sun 06 Nov 2016, 12:05 pm
That format is all wrong when I go on it. Very strange. Must of inadvertently fiddled with the settings if that's actually possible.
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Andrew Tue 08 Nov 2016, 7:47 am
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unreorganised Tue 08 Nov 2016, 8:23 am
Basically the plot of American Psycho.
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Andrew Tue 08 Nov 2016, 8:43 am
I remember thinking exactly the same thing when I first heard the details of this case and wondered whether that film was a particular favourite of his.
I'm surprised he's escaped the death penalty over there.
I'm surprised he's escaped the death penalty over there.
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Andrew Thu 10 Nov 2016, 10:25 am
Following on from a case I posted on the previous page:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/john-torney-found-not-guilty-of-murdering-mildura-toddler/8012024
The guy admits to hiding the dead toddler in the roof but gets acquitted of all charges and is free to walk.
I wonder if Gerry McCann will be consulting this chaps lawyers next.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/john-torney-found-not-guilty-of-murdering-mildura-toddler/8012024
The guy admits to hiding the dead toddler in the roof but gets acquitted of all charges and is free to walk.
I wonder if Gerry McCann will be consulting this chaps lawyers next.
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Andrew Fri 11 Nov 2016, 9:45 am
This one's been in the news very recently:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14881073.Police_to_search_under_road_in_Renee_and_Andrew_MacRae_murder_inquiry/
Never heard of this tragic case myself. I should imagine the Scottish folk on here are familiar with it though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee_MacRae
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14881073.Police_to_search_under_road_in_Renee_and_Andrew_MacRae_murder_inquiry/
Never heard of this tragic case myself. I should imagine the Scottish folk on here are familiar with it though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee_MacRae
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Freedom Tue 15 Nov 2016, 10:16 am
Freedom wrote:Just imagine being on the jury and having to listen to the evidence here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37717676
No surprise with the verdict.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37978755
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Andrew Mon 21 Nov 2016, 2:49 pm
Another news story about a young lad vanishing after a night out:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3957334/Desperate-search-gentle-teenager-18-seen-leaving-Wetherspoon-pub-two-weeks-ago.html
A ‘gentle’ teenager has been missing for nearly a fortnight having last been seen after leaving a pub alone in the early hours of the morning.
Police officers, dogs and specialist teams are searching for 18-year-old Adam Mitchell to return him home to his anxious parents in Inverness.
Mr Mitchell, whose parents said he rarely strayed from home without letting them know when he would be home, was last seen in the early hours of November 9.
Police Scotland said searches are focusing on areas around the Longman industrial estate where Mr Mitchell was last seen and Moray Firth coastline.
He was seen talking and laughing with people he met in the Tooth and Claw pub, and spoke to his father at 8.30pm.
Mr Mitchell then left the The King's Highway, a Wetherspoon-owned pub, alone just after 12am and was last seen at 1am on CCTV.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3957334/Desperate-search-gentle-teenager-18-seen-leaving-Wetherspoon-pub-two-weeks-ago.html
A ‘gentle’ teenager has been missing for nearly a fortnight having last been seen after leaving a pub alone in the early hours of the morning.
Police officers, dogs and specialist teams are searching for 18-year-old Adam Mitchell to return him home to his anxious parents in Inverness.
Mr Mitchell, whose parents said he rarely strayed from home without letting them know when he would be home, was last seen in the early hours of November 9.
Police Scotland said searches are focusing on areas around the Longman industrial estate where Mr Mitchell was last seen and Moray Firth coastline.
He was seen talking and laughing with people he met in the Tooth and Claw pub, and spoke to his father at 8.30pm.
Mr Mitchell then left the The King's Highway, a Wetherspoon-owned pub, alone just after 12am and was last seen at 1am on CCTV.
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Andrew Fri 25 Nov 2016, 12:10 pm
How can this guy get just a 4 year sentence...
Thug who killed girlfriend then watched TV with corpse next to him jailed for just four years
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thug-who-killed-girlfriend-watched-9330874
An appropriate sentence for this monster anyway:
The families of four gay men murdered by 'monstrous' serial killer Stephen Port hurled abuse at him as he was jailed for life without parole at the Old Bailey today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970924/Grindr-serial-killer-Stephen-Port-die-bars-drugged-raped-murdered-four-gay-men-dumping-bodies-street.html
Thug who killed girlfriend then watched TV with corpse next to him jailed for just four years
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thug-who-killed-girlfriend-watched-9330874
An appropriate sentence for this monster anyway:
The families of four gay men murdered by 'monstrous' serial killer Stephen Port hurled abuse at him as he was jailed for life without parole at the Old Bailey today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970924/Grindr-serial-killer-Stephen-Port-die-bars-drugged-raped-murdered-four-gay-men-dumping-bodies-street.html
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