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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:13 pm

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wlbts wrote:My opinion is that this has been planned for a long time, and it will mark the shift from investigation stage to prosecution stage.
It is interesting that Andy Redwood started out with the brief that he was pursuing an "abduction" case, and now they have superceded him with a "murder" specialist.

The fact that she is a woman helps with public relations as well. If a prosecution is brought against the divine couple then it's not going to look like they're being persecuted by 'bully' males who don't understand what it's like to lose a child. As far as PR goes, it's a smart move.

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:53 pm

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wlbts wrote:My opinion is that this has been planned for a long time, and it will mark the shift from investigation stage to prosecution stage.
It is interesting that Andy Redwood started out with the brief that he was pursuing an "abduction" case, and now they have superceded him with a "murder" specialist.

Redwood couldn't find any evidence of an abduction,the next logical step? accidental death? if this were the case would they bring in some one like Hall? what was it said about the amateur sleuth's employed by TM,the big hitters are here,well they are now.

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Post  Cristobell on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:04 pm

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wlbts wrote:My opinion is that this has been planned for a long time, and it will mark the shift from investigation stage to prosecution stage.
It is interesting that Andy Redwood started out with the brief that he was pursuing an "abduction" case, and now they have superceded him with a "murder" specialist.

The fact that she is a woman helps with public relations as well.  If a prosecution is brought against the divine couple then it's not going to look like they're being persecuted by 'bully' males who don't understand what it's like to lose a child.  As far as PR goes, it's a smart move.


DCI Wall seems to be proudly child free WLBTS, but as a female cop she has probably come up through the ranks dealing with tragic cases of mothers, children and domestic violence.  I do agree that it will be difficult, if not impossible for the McCanns to play the victim/bully card again.  They have been treated with kid gloves by Scotland Yard and DCI Redwood up until now, or that's the way it appears, and the McCanns even thanked him today for all he has done.  Such is their vindictive nature, if they had any sort of falling out with him, I doubt he would have got a fond farewell.  They had absolutely nothing to say following the death of Brenda Leyland.

I don't think they are going to  have a very good Christmas at all, any of them, the phones will be buzzing like crazy.  They have all got things to hide and as far as we know, none of them have been interrogated.  I am assuming they helped in some way with the reconstruction, but the fact they weren't actually there suggests the police were following a gently, gently approach.  

The McCanns must now be somewhere between the devil and the deep blue sea.  The newspapers are openly talking about murder and the death of Madeleine McCann, yet it was only a matter of weeks ago that the parents received another fat libel cheque.  What's going on?  The murder can only have occurred in the apartment, there is no forensic evidence for it anywhere else, and how on earth can anyone spin a stranger abductor into an death in the apartment that didn't involve the parents.  They claimed to be checking every half hour - ergo, the 'stranger' would have had to break in, or casually walk in and open the window just for the hell of it.  Murder the child, clean up the blood etc, and leave the apartment with the child, all within 30 minutes.  That will certainly put the genius of Clarence to the test.  

Wonder if the parents will do a Christmas appeal this year, looks as though they are going to need a lot more legal funds!

I agree this has been planned for a long time.  DCI Redwood's impending retirement has never been a secret, we knew about it when the Review began.  He has handled the kid glove approach, leading the press and the public away from parental involvement, probably even lulling the Mccanns into a false sense of security.  He went along with their failure to attend a reconstruction without batting an eyelid and used actors to follow the movements according to the tapas group's statements - not entirely of course, or they would have all been bumping into each other, but enough to convince those who made the statements that they [the police] believed them.  

I think DCI Redwood's retirement has been timed to coincide with a massive change in the investigation, and planned all along, retirement is something we have all the time in the world to decide on.  It may however have been brought forward due to the libel trial coming to an end and the new interviews next week.  It will be interesting to see how the
summing up arguments will be reported next week. I can't remember how it was left off, and whether Goncalo Amaral was going to speak, and/or indeed Kate. Actually, will they even turn up if the net is closing in? In fact, I wonder if they are among the witnesses being interviewed in Portugal next ?


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Re: DCI Andy Redwood

Post  bluebell on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:11 pm

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wlbts wrote:My opinion is that this has been planned for a long time, and it will mark the shift from investigation stage to prosecution stage.
It is interesting that Andy Redwood started out with the brief that he was pursuing an "abduction" case, and now they have superceded him with a "murder" specialist.

Redwood couldn't find any evidence of an abduction,the next logical step? accidental death? if this were the case would they bring in some one like Hall? what was it  said about the amateur sleuth's employed by TM,the big hitters are here,well they are now.




Yeah, I agree caricature.   Yet three and a half years to find there is no evidence of "abduction", with a team of over 30, what has been going on there?

Is it changing because now they have been given sight of the withheld PJ Files?    Do you think they had to go through the motions before being able to get their hands on these files?

As far as we know they haven't interviewed the T9 or parents either (or do you think they have but in secret?).    What happened to "the last reported sighting", ?    I thought this was always the first line of investigation?    

Seven long years, but I wouldn't like to spend Christmas in Rothley Manor this year.   All just IM humble O

ETA I am sure this new Homicide DCI has exceptional qualities in her field, and I trust she will reach the correct conclusion.


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Post  Lioned on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:13 pm

Dont know if anyone else has pointed this out yet but her real name is DCI Nicola Wall.

She looks quite fit actually.
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Post  hicks on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:17 pm

Redarding OG, nothing I have seen so far convinces me this is a real investigation.

Imo Goncalo Amaral is a clever man. His end game scenario looks to me like it just might play out.

Quote : "The latest Scotland Yard squad is apparently working on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by burglars who were also involved in drug trafficking.
The same theory was put forward by a Yard detective seconded to his team seven years ago".

"It was discussed and completely set aside as it made no sense. Nobody has proved the house was broken into, that there was a theft, no traces of a break- in. No money, cameras or anything else was taken.

Mr Amaral expects the latest enquiry to wind down soon, without a breakthrough, adding: "They are getting to the point of saying that she is dead". " They will reach the point of saying that the cadaver can't be found and the case can't be solved".

There seems to be an opinion amongst some that Andy Redwood and his team have been using some kind of diversionary tactic in order to trap the McCann's. Playing the long game to get a result. I don't see this at all.

According to Mr Amaral then, SY are still pursuing the same agenda, putting burglars in the frame, as was put forward at the very early stages.

The evidence that incriminates the McCann's has always there. The dogs evidence has always been there. The glaring inconsistencies in the statements have always been there. No evidence to suggest abduction, ignored.

Seven years have past, many millions spent, and still the most obvious route in this 'supposed' investigation has been ignored. Was Andy Redwood a safe pair of hands? The acceptable face of OP until his retirement?

Naturally I hope that I'm wrong.


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Post  canada12 on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:20 pm

What if, all along, AR's remit has been to front a "front" investigation which gives the appearance of a whitewash, while all along, behind the scenes, DCI Wall has been running a parallel investigation which has been digging away at the evidence and coming up with results...?
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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:33 pm

Lioned wrote:Dont know if anyone else has pointed this out yet but her real name is DCI Nicola Wall.

She looks quite fit actually.


Oops,admin, mods alter the title please.

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:37 pm

So she was a Hall, and now she's been demoted to just a Wall?
Does that mean that Operation Grange is going to become Operation Council Housing Scheme?
The McCann's won't like that one bit. Mad

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:47 pm

canada12 wrote:What if, all along, AR's remit has been to front a "front" investigation which gives the appearance of a whitewash, while all along, behind the scenes, DCI Wall has been running a parallel investigation which has been digging away at the evidence and coming up with results...?

There's nothing that I've seen that's looked like a whitewash. Just cops doing their jobs and not telling the public their daily schedules.

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Post  Cristobell on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:48 pm

canada12 wrote:What if, all along, AR's remit has been to front a "front" investigation which gives the appearance of a whitewash, while all along, behind the scenes, DCI Wall has been running a parallel investigation which has been digging away at the evidence and coming up with results...?


Sounds feasible to me Canada Smile

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Post  Lioned on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:54 pm

Resistor wrote:So she was a Hall, and now she's been demoted to just a Wall?
Does that mean that Operation Grange is going to become Operation Council Housing Scheme?
The McCann's won't like that one bit.  Mad

If they was from a sink estate they'd be banged up years ago.

DCI Wall the peroxide blonde is going to be a great success.

Need to find a song for her,what rhymes with Wall ?
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Post  Lioned on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:57 pm

Another brick in the Wall ?

Its Wall over now ?

Mill...... Wallllll. ?
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Post  chirpyinsect on Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:03 pm

Lioned wrote:Another brick in the Wall ?

Its Wall over now ?

Mill...... Wallllll.  ?
Wall I want for Christmas....
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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:13 pm

wlbts wrote:
canada12 wrote:What if, all along, AR's remit has been to front a "front" investigation which gives the appearance of a whitewash, while all along, behind the scenes, DCI Wall has been running a parallel investigation which has been digging away at the evidence and coming up with results...?

There's nothing that I've seen that's looked like a whitewash.  Just cops doing their jobs and not telling the public their daily schedules.
I am with wlbts on this one. The MSM are very good at saying "it's widely believed" or "it's said that..." or the ubiquitous "source close to the investigation said....", but there are never any direct, actual quotes - and certainly none from actual police officers at Operation Grange. The police just do not work like that. Journalists, however, need to continually produce juicy stories for their paymasters, because that is what sells papers. Sadly, quite a lot of people are still uninformed enough, or just daft enough, to believe it.

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Post  Lioned on Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:14 pm

Sussed it !

In time honoured tradition marking the spirit of this somewhat lengthy investigation and with the greatest of optimism i give you the countdown as one by one She knocks off every swarthy/spotty/faceless/childless Russian peado Olygog until only the obvious suspects remain.

There where 99 Green bottlespeado suspects sitting on the Wall.

And if one traiterous tapas should deliberately fall Green bottle should accidently fall.
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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:16 pm

Lioned wrote:
Resistor wrote:So she was a Hall, and now she's been demoted to just a Wall?
Does that mean that Operation Grange is going to become Operation Council Housing Scheme?
The McCann's won't like that one bit.  Mad

If they was from a sink estate they'd be banged up years ago.

DCI Wall the peroxide blonde is going to be a great success.

Need to find a song for her,what rhymes with Wall ?
We aim to please.

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Post  hicks on Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:13 pm

The man on the ground at the time- Mr Amaral- the lead investigator says SY were putting forward the burglar theory, not Journalists, not anyone in the media but police officers from the UK.

SY have given not one, but two confirmations that the parents are not suspects. The parents have not been made Alguidos, or people of interest so far so where do you go from there or have I missed something?

Another weird thing to ponder. Why is it that nearly every big announcement from SY coinsides with a McCann event? Mostly legal events where we see the McCann's making appearances on the steps of some courthouse. It seems like SY actually help their cause. The senseless digging in PDL one example. No body found. The McCann's then go to Portugal for the libel trial where a nasty Portuguese cop says that Madeleine is dead......but 'there is no evidence to suggest that Madeleine is dead', and GM can repeat his now well established mantra.

QC Robert Jay says that Rebekah Brooks used threats to get the case reopened. Wasn't she going to put Theresa May's face on the front cover of the sun every day until her demands were met?
This mystery has political involvement imo. Brooks no doubt had 'things' on certain people in the public eye, and possibly held a good many careers in the palm of her hand. This is why Cameron agreed to a review.

Just my opinion.
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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:18 pm

@Resistor,the ubiquitous source is on the case.

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline""
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-cop-quits-4756701

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:23 pm

caricature wrote:@Resistor,the ubiquitous source is on the case.

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline""
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-cop-quits-4756701

Candyfloss, you really must get some pink paint in for the text.

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Post  Mimi on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:05 pm

You never know, Andy could have bowed out because he is fed up with having to whitewash people he knows darn well are guilty.

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Post  Lioned on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:20 pm

I never saw him blink once !
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Post  hicks on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:38 pm

Mimi wrote:You never know, Andy could have bowed out because he is fed up with having to whitewash people he knows darn well are guilty.


That is a distinct possibility.

During her time as editor for NOTW Rebekah Brooks worked closely with Sara Payne ( mother of Sarah who was murdered by child sex offender Roy Whiting) both campaigned for 'Sarah's Law' where you can ask the police if someone has a record of child sex offences.

Could be just a coincidence that Brooks, who had a background campaigning to name and shame child abusers, demands the reopening of the Madeleine McCann review. Was she hoping that someone would be exposed during the process? Just a thought.

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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:43 pm

hicks wrote:The man on the ground at the time- Mr Amaral- the lead investigator says SY were putting forward the burglar theory, not Journalists, not anyone in the media but police officers from the UK.

SY have given not one, but two confirmations that the parents are not suspects. The parents have not been made Alguidos, or people of interest so far so where do you go from there or have I missed something?

Another weird thing to ponder. Why is it that nearly every big announcement from SY coinsides   with a McCann event? Mostly legal events where we see the McCann's making appearances on the steps of some courthouse. It seems like SY actually help their cause. The senseless digging in PDL one example. No body found. The McCann's then go to Portugal for the libel trial where a nasty Portuguese cop says that Madeleine is dead......but 'there is no evidence to suggest that Madeleine is dead', and GM can repeat his now well established mantra.

QC Robert Jay says that Rebekah Brooks used threats to get the case reopened. Wasn't she going to put Theresa May's face on the front cover of the sun every day until her demands were met?
This mystery has political involvement imo. Brooks no doubt had 'things' on certain people in the public eye, and possibly held a good many careers in the palm of her hand. This is why Cameron agreed to a review.

Just my opinion.  

On your first point, that's what Amaral said.  However, the wikileaks release showed that British police were working to develop evidence against the McCanns.

On your second point - and I've said this over and over again - what investigation makes people suspects before they are ready to close the case?  Of course OG aren't going to announce anyone as suspects yet.  Next week may well change that situation.  The PJ didn't call the McCanns suspects until they made them arguidos.

On your third point - what would be the point of that?  The British media barely mentions the libel trial.  The McCanns don't need any assistance to wipe the libel trial off the news.  And there have been lots of events from OG that haven't coincided with McCann 'events'.  

SY help their cause?  Really?  The McCanns want us all to believe that Madeleine is still alive somewhere.  SY clearly aren't looking for a living 'findable' child.  I can't think of a single event in this entire investigation that has benefited the McCanns.  Tannerman eliminated.  Gerry's alibi wrecked.  Digging up land to find a corpse.

And finally, a list of people to be interviewed next week that certainly can't be connected to any 'bungled break-in'.  Witnesses that saw the state of apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007.


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Post  Guest on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:47 pm

The Mirror story really is a fine piece of journalism. Here it is in all its full glory:

Madeleine McCann top cop quits: ''This does send a certain kind of message''

Dec 05, 2014 20:33 By David Collins

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline".

The inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann suffered a blow today when the lead detective announced he is retiring.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood is leaving the Met this month in a move which has sparked fears the investigation has stalled.
A source close to the inquiry said: “The investigation has gone on for three and a half years now.
“However a lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline.
"This does send a certain kind of message.”

British officers spent eight days searching three areas of land in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in June but they found no new evidence.
A main suspect in the new inquiry was former waiter Euclides Monteiro, who died in an accident, but he has been ruled out.
DCI Nicola Wall, who has served more than 25 years at Scotland Yard, will be put in charge of Operation Grange, which so far has cost £10million.
Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry have been informed and today thanked DCI Redwood for his “commitment” to the case.

But there has been criticism of his decision to stand down.
Senior Labour MP Michael McCann said: “There are times when public duty must override personal circumstances, and this is one of them.
"If senior officers were aware of the DCI’s retirement plans, why was he put on to this case in the first place?”
Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment on May 3, 2007 as her parents dined out with friends.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-cop-quits-4756701

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