The Mystery of Ben Needham

Freedom wrote:I think I've read that he has died but as yet I haven't found a link.

Thanks, Freedom.

There wasn't much else in the doc except the searches they did for an abducted Ben years later and the hypnosis sessions they put Stephen through. Not much emphasis on the lead-up and immediate aftermath of when and where Ben went missing from.

Freedom wrote:I think I've read that he has died but as yet I haven't found a link.

The owner moved to Australia after Ben's disappearance, to live with his son.
He died 3 days before the British investigation in 2012. He'd been suffering heart problems for years.

British police did not take a statement from him. It is not known if Greek officers did in a recent case review.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-dig-police-dogs-1388274

I think this is Michaelis speaking at about 45 seconds:

A short video where the digger driver widow says her husband didn't kill Ben. Right at the end there is a good shot of the farmhouse now.

I think this is the one you mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDLtSrkT_TQ

seahorse wrote:

Freedom wrote:I think I've read that he has died but as yet I haven't found a link.

The owner moved to Australia after Ben's disappearance, to live with his son.
He died 3 days before the British investigation in 2012. He'd been suffering heart problems for years.

British police did not take a statement from him. It is not known if Greek officers did in a recent case review.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ben-needham-dig-police-dogs-1388274

I think this is Michaelis speaking at about 45 seconds:

So Michealis claims Ben was inside whilst they were eating then says Stephen left first then Ben went outside again. So how could the grandparents assume Stephen had taken Ben? If he had come back for him they would have heard the bike.

Freedom wrote:I think this is the one you mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDLtSrkT_TQ

Thanks F. Must have gone on to the next vid before I captured the url.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37528574

Drone footage of Ben Needham search
Police show the area they are searching for the body of Ben Needham, with the aid of drone footage.



Sorry if this has been posted already, it's a very comprehensive article, and gives a good view and information of how and what is happening.

Ben Needham ‏@FindBenNeedham 1h1 hour ago
#Day7
Today's press brief with Jon Cousins will be at 9am UK time (11am Greek time) .. Duncan Wood & ITV... http://fb.me/5BCCaDYkp

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv 1h1 hour ago
Morning, a reminder the #benneedham search briefing #Kos has been moved to 9am UK time today. We'll get our daily update then @itvcalendar

More "let's blacken the name of the dead patsy" here from The Mirror.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/digger-driver-suspected-of-accidentally-killing-ben-needham-was-addicted-to-gambling/ar-BBwSXuY?li=BBoPOOl&ocid=mailsignout

OK maybe I'm crazy but again this "friend" comes across as BS to me. From the MSM article, Freedom:

The friend, who prompted the police search, said he thought it was a dangerous place for Ben to play as it was so near the massive Caterpillar machine. But despite his fears he failed to alert Ben’s family, who were renovating a property nearby.

Yet in the documentary (Somebody Knows) Christine shows she went down the lane as far as the building site looking for Ben and doesn't mention talking to or seeing these men or searching the site. In fact, I wonder if work for that day had even stopped given the heat and time ~14:30?

Also does anyone know if Danny has ever said anything about that day? I haven't read much of anything he did/saw that day.

On another subject I've tried to do a map and walk times of the three main places people were. The farmhouse, Eddie & Christine's caravan (a guess based on a couple bits of info) and Kerry's work place:

https://twitter.com/dannysavage/status/782490120314294272

A video of day 7 update on the link

Eddie says he spent 3 days watching as the digggerman went through all the rubble, dreading what might be found. None of this makes any sense

Just to update and correct the map I posted previously. I've now done a bit more digging and found more accurate locations.

Here is a still from the documentary 'Somebody Knows' where Christine shows the road/place she walked from:



Here is what I believe is the same road/place on streetview:



And here is the map with the three locations on. The place where Christine is shown in the doc is marked Kapidokias 16. You can see how close the caravan must have been to Kerry's work marked Olympianikon:

Hi, TTWO. I've not watched this 'somebody knows' doc and don't know when I'll get chance to watch it.

Can you explain what you're implying with the above post as I'm struggling to follow....

Many thanks.

Not meaning to imply anything, Andrew but I was surprised that everything was so close. There are I think some things that don't make sense to me after reading the blog you posted the other day (This onehttp://benneedham18.blogspot.co.uk/)

About an hour later, thinking Stephen had gone to the caravan instead of coming back to the farmhouse, or had gone to Kerry's flat, Christine walked back to Paradisi, while Eddie, Danny and Kypreos stayed working on the roof.

Maybe it is unfair to say but if Stephen and Ben weren't at the caravan when Christine got there why didn't she go straight back to the farmhouse to inform Eddie? Or go to Kerry's flat where he had been or even go to Kerry's work?

I can understand the reasoning of assuming Stephen had taken Ben with him but even Christine decided she needed to check back at the caravan after an hour of waiting at the farmhouse. To then stay put for hours until Eddie came home seems odd.

The main thing though is whether or not the police find anything on these digs and what they have to say at the end of them. Then will be the time for questioning things more if for example they try to pin it on a dead man without any/little proof.

For now, like OG, benefit of doubt.

Day 9 Briefing, live:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345348172164347&id=106174219415088

Wrong link.

This one:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1345352788830552&id=106174219415088

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv 21m21 minutes ago
BREAKING team searching for #BenNeedham on #Kos ask family who own farmhouse if they can knock part of it down to search for Ben

Andy Lines ‏@andylines 9m9 minutes ago
The room they want to knock down was added in the 12 months after Ben Needham's disappearance.

Just read the blog that Andrew posted and it has moved me greatly. The pain and destruction of the lives of the Needhams is palpable. That is what losing a child in such circumstances does to a family. It tears them apart with guilt and affects every aspect of what they do ever after.
It makes me even more angry with the McCanns who have never displayed one iota of the feelings for their daughter that Kerry has for Ben.
I can't believe the cheek of Kate refusing to meet Kerry in case it upset her, Kate. Then writing to her years later, probably because she smelled an opportunity for publicity. What a bleeping bleep she is.

chirpyinsect wrote:Just read the blog that Andrew posted and it has moved me greatly. The pain and destruction of the lives of the Needhams is palpable. That is what losing a child in such circumstances does to a family. It tears them apart with guilt and affects every aspect of what they do ever after.
It makes me even more angry with the McCanns who have never displayed one iota of the feelings for their daughter that Kerry has for Ben.
I can't believe the cheek of Kate refusing to meet Kerry in case it upset her, Kate. Then writing to her years later, probably because she smelled an opportunity for publicity. What a bleeping bleep she is.

Completely different though, Chirps.

Whatever became Ben's fate, then Imo Kerry didn't know anything at all. Whatever became of Madeleine's fate, then not only did McCanns know about it, they were involved in it. Imo

One has been living a nightmare looking for answers.

The other has been living a lie trying to bury the answers.

Imo etc...

Andrew wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-cops-searching-ben-needham-8967437

This really is leaving no stone stone unturned if true.