Re: The Mystery of Corrie McKeague

eeejay268 Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:43 pm

well its a right flipping mess isn't it? how on earth has it seriously taken this long? is this what TW meant in his ambiguous "the reward has served its purpose" flannel? that somehow, someone came forward and finally 'told the truth' about a possible error? very, very strange all of it. well lets see what comes out in the wash then. just cant get me head round it all, very sad.

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:54 pm

Long time no post, eejay.

I can't get round the fact that it has taken nearly 6 months for probably and arguably the most important information to come to light....

Flabbergasted to say the least.

eeejay268 Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:58 pm

Hey Andrew cheers

yes had to take some time out with this one, was getting to me a bit, especially with reddit running like it was/is. But with recent developments as they are, felt compelled to return.

Seriously, just cant get my breath with it, flabbergasted myself. I think some serious questions need to be answered here. How could they just not have this information? cover up? accident? murder even? I'm not sure we are ever going to know now tbh, its been so long.

chilli Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:43 pm

That has probably happened because that the guy recording weights has recorded 11 kg rather than 110 kg . Recording weight is something done routinely without thought and getting it wrong by a factor of 10 is a fairly common human error especially if distracted. I don't think there is any mystery or conspiracy there - it's a predicable slip. Just think about how often it happens in medicine. There you would see a the effects pretty soon (I'very been there!) - in waste recycling it probably happens regularly. It won't have been picked up because 11 kg was what was expected.

Andrew Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:48 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4290764/Man-held-Corrie-McKeague-hunt-faces-no-action.html

Corrie McKeague's father searches landfill site for his missing son's body as his mother reveals new evidence that he may have been CRUSHED to death after crawling into a wheelie bin to sleep
Lorry was supposed to have collected 24lbs of waste where gunner last seen
But eventual load was 184lbs more - similar to the weight of missing Corrie
Raises the possibility that RAF gunner was crushed to death in bin lorry
Police are searching through 8,000 tones of rubbish for the 23-year-old's body
His father Martin McKeague today joined the search as his mother said the new evidence 'can really devastatingly only mean one thing'

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 8:33 am

chilli wrote:That has probably happened because that the guy recording weights has recorded 11 kg rather than 110 kg . Recording weight is something done routinely without thought and getting it wrong by a factor of 10 is a fairly common human error especially if distracted. I don't think there is any mystery or conspiracy there - it's a predicable slip. Just think about how often it happens in medicine. There you would see a the effects pretty soon (I'very been there!) - in waste recycling it probably happens regularly. It won't have been picked up because 11 kg was what was expected.

That's the reason why he was initially arrested for perverting the course of justice and now told he will face no further action.

A human error by the looks of it.

Bampots Wed 08 Mar 2017, 8:46 am

Question is.....if no body is found will the Police withdraw and say they know what happened? Another case decided on uncorroberated evidence?

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 8:52 am

Bampots wrote:Question is.....if no body is found will the Police withdraw and say they know what happened? Another case decided on uncorroberated evidence?

If they just find his shoe and then decide to call it a day sort of thing.....

Guruagain Wed 08 Mar 2017, 1:11 pm

chilli wrote:That has probably happened because that the guy recording weights has recorded 11 kg rather than 110 kg . Recording weight is something done routinely without thought and getting it wrong by a factor of 10 is a fairly common human error especially if distracted. I don't think there is any mystery or conspiracy there - it's a predicable slip. Just think about how often it happens in medicine. There you would see a the effects pretty soon (I'very been there!) - in waste recycling it probably happens regularly. It won't have been picked up because 11 kg was what was expected.

I wonder how they have managed to get the right figure now?

chirpyinsect Wed 08 Mar 2017, 1:48 pm

Andrew wrote:
chilli wrote:That has probably happened because that the guy recording weights has recorded 11 kg rather than 110 kg . Recording weight is something done routinely without thought and getting it wrong by a factor of 10 is a fairly common human error especially if distracted. I don't think there is any mystery or conspiracy there - it's a predicable slip. Just think about how often it happens in medicine. There you would see a the effects pretty soon (I'very been there!) - in waste recycling it probably happens regularly. It won't have been picked up because 11 kg was what was expected.

That's the reason why he was initially arrested for perverting the course of justice and now told he will face no further action.

A human error by the looks of it.

The arrested guy could only go by what info he has been given unless he was covering for someone. He wasn't driving the lorry ( we don't think) so the driver has either given the manager the wrong info or the scale was wrong or the manager has copied the weight incorrectly when transcribing it from the driver's paperwork to the computer.
What I don't get is why the manager was arrested but not the driver unless on checking they have discovered the driver wrote down 110kg but the manager wrote 11kg.
Why would the manager be lying unless to help out a mate but if that mate was the driver then he would have recorded the weight as 11kg too?
As Guruagain says how would they then have discovered the actual weight was 110k?
Another thought is if the driver correctly recorded the weight as 110kg and it has been all over the news that the bin was supposed to weigh 11kg, surely an innocent person would shout that out at the start.

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:11 pm

I think if I thoroughly understood how the whole process worked from start to finish, then I'd be able to offer a plausible theory...

But I don't so therefore I can't. scratch

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:19 pm

https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

A 26-year-old man arrested on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice as part of the continuing Corrie McKeague missing person investigation has been told he will face no further action.

The 26-year-old was arrested on Wednesday 1 March and interviewed about information provided to the investigation before being bailed. However, after more work by detectives, he has now been told he will face no further action.

Police have been carrying out extensive work to check and re-check data provided to officers. As a result of this comprehensive checking process and analysis it was discovered that the initial weight of the waste pick-up supplied to the investigation was incorrect and that it was far higher than originally thought.

This directly led to the arrest as police moved to secure any potential evidence however, following further work and the interviewing of a second man under caution, detectives now believe there was no attempt to hide information.

Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said; "Through the persistence of officers and their detailed work we recently identified that the data provided was incorrect. We now know the weight of the waste collection from the ‘horseshoe’ on the night Corrie went missing was over 100kg, when the original information we were given indicated that this was 11kg, and this makes our search of the landfill the next logical step to try to find Corrie.

“The investigation has identified that the company who provided the data usually charge per collection, not per weight of load collected, and it appears that it was genuinely believed by the company that the data provided was correct. There was no intention to mislead the investigation, however our discovery, through persisting with this through our enquiries and evidence gathering, now puts a new emphasis on the search.

“Corrie’s family have been made aware of this new information and we continue to liaise with them as we move forward.

“Our extensive work around CCTV to see if Corrie could have left the Brentgovel Street area and the vast number of other enquiries we have been making have been crucial to getting us to this point.

“We have had to be methodical and systematic in our approach to ensure we were not ruling out the line of enquiry that may give us the answers. The search of the landfill is a huge undertaking, and still may not provide the answer as to what happened, but now, with new information uncovered by the officers working on the case, this is the priority.

“We would like to thank all of those organisations who have been assisting with the investigation. Their assistance and co-operation throughout has allowed us to conduct the enquiries we needed to do and we are grateful that they have been supportive of our work.”

Any information relating to Corrie’s disappearance should be passed to the incident room on 01473 782019. Alternatively you can call 101 and ask to speak to the team.

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:22 pm

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/corrie-mckeague-landfill-site-wasnt-12711523

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-03-08/the-search-for-corrie-officers-sift-through-60-tonnes-of-waste/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/corrie-mckeague-search-team-trawled-9989762

wjk Wed 08 Mar 2017, 4:01 pm

Sky news Facebook showing the area where he was last seen
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1670480862966504&id=164665060214766

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 4:23 pm

wjk wrote:Sky news Facebook showing the area where he was last seen
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1670480862966504&id=164665060214766

Thanks for posting that, WJK.

It's like on the Ben Needham case when they were doing the live questions and answers thing. Not seen that done on the Corrie case before.

Very sad stuff and I feel it's just a matter of time before we get the confirmation and then closure on this tragic case.

wjk Wed 08 Mar 2017, 5:17 pm

You're welcome Andrew.
There's a video of Corrie's mum on the @BBCLookEast on twitter (I don't know how to bring it over) where she says she knows they will find Corrie in the landfill, it's just a matter of time. So sad.

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 5:20 pm

wjk wrote:You're welcome Andrew.
There's a video of Corrie's mum on the @BBCLookEast on twitter (I don't know how to bring it over) where she says she knows they will find Corrie in the landfill, it's just a matter of time. So sad.

Not sure myself either how to bring that over... but here's the link for it:

https://twitter.com/BBCLookEast/status/839437197149372419

Andrew Wed 08 Mar 2017, 9:57 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cops-now-sure-missing-corrie-9992501

Mimi Wed 08 Mar 2017, 10:55 pm

wjk wrote:Sky news Facebook showing the area where he was last seen
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1670480862966504&id=164665060214766

Uselful link, thanks wjk

At least the journalist says they have records of what they disposed, when they disposed and where they disposed of each load of rubbish which narrows the search down a lot.

Andrew Thu 09 Mar 2017, 11:24 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3046594/corrie-mckeague-mum-blasts-cops-landfill-search/

Guruagain Thu 09 Mar 2017, 11:51 am

Perhaps if Her and Uncle T hadn't kept going on about Marham, suspicious men in foreign plated vehicles and Corrie often walking home, vanishing at weekends all part of his behaviour then maybe they might have searched earlier?

Andrew Thu 09 Mar 2017, 12:32 pm

Guruagain wrote:Perhaps if Her and Uncle T hadn't kept going on about Marham, suspicious men in foreign plated vehicles and Corrie often walking home, vanishing at weekends all part of his behaviour then maybe they might have searched earlier?

A valid point, G.

It's bizarre really that from the off we've all been round the houses and back on this one and the reality is it's looking like the most simplest of scenarios all along.

Poor lad clambered inside a wheelie bin to sleep off a hangover and never to be seen again.

bluebell Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:41 pm

Guruagain wrote:Perhaps if Her and Uncle T hadn't kept going on about Marham, suspicious men in foreign plated vehicles and Corrie often walking home, vanishing at weekends all part of his behaviour then maybe they might have searched earlier?

Absolutely good points G. All the 'police bashing' makes me uncomfortable. It is not the fault of the police in any way imo. As they were given incorrect/misleading info, I think they have continued to proceed this investigation as best they can. From what we know at the moment C was probably deceased by the Saturday even before he was reported missing..... what could anyone have done better in those circumstances.

Mimi Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:04 pm

Andrew wrote:
Guruagain wrote:Perhaps if Her and Uncle T hadn't kept going on about Marham, suspicious men in foreign plated vehicles and Corrie often walking home, vanishing at weekends all part of his behaviour then maybe they might have searched earlier?

A valid point, G.

It's bizarre really that from the off we've all been round the houses and back on this one and the reality is it's looking like the most simplest of scenarios all along.

Poor lad clambered inside a wheelie bin to sleep off a hangover and never to be seen again.

Is it normal to get in a wheelie bin like that to go to sleep? I would have thought it`s highly dangerous for anyone to even think about it.

Heisenburg Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:23 pm

Mimi wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Guruagain wrote:Perhaps if Her and Uncle T hadn't kept going on about Marham, suspicious men in foreign plated vehicles and Corrie often walking home, vanishing at weekends all part of his behaviour then maybe they might have searched earlier?

A valid point, G.

It's bizarre really that from the off we've all been round the houses and back on this one and the reality is it's looking like the most simplest of scenarios all along.

Poor lad clambered inside a wheelie bin to sleep off a hangover and never to be seen again.

Is it normal to get in a wheelie bin like that to go to sleep? I would have thought it`s highly dangerous for anyone to even think about it.

Probably not normal but when absolutely hammered its any port in a storm,if this is the case.
Out of interest how far from his digs was he?

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