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Post  AlloAllo Mon 08 Apr 2024, 9:32 pm

https://www.gbnews.com/news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-latest-phone-call-paedophile-ring

There is a short video on this report where a woman is speaking about CB. The report is in itself inaccurate, aren't they all?

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Post  AlloAllo Tue 09 Apr 2024, 2:21 pm

More talk yet still no evidence to support the claims.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/04/06/court-sensation-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-told-me-how-he-tied-up-a-teenager-for-four-days-and-burgled-homes-on-the-algarve-while-naked/

COURT SENSATION: ‘Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner told me how he tied up a teenager for four days – and burgled homes on the Algarve while naked!’
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Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor) -
6 Apr, 2024 @ 22:03

>> MADELEINE Mccann suspect Christian Brueckner bragged to a friend how he tied up and sexually assaulted a young teenager over a ‘four day’ horror ordeal.

Michael Tatschl, 50, told a court how the sadistic sex offender had boasted how he had shackled the troubled teen to a post in his country home just outside Praia da Luz.<<


He said the German girl – who was ’14 or 15′ – had come from a nearby rehabilitation program and had apparently ‘run away’ when she met the predator.


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Post  AlloAllo Wed 10 Apr 2024, 2:57 pm

Who's paying for Nick Pisa's prolonged holiday in Germany? Seems like a tight circle of freelance european journalists taking control of CB's alleged involvement in the Maddie case.

Who's paying for the witnesses coming out of the woodwork like woodworm? The latest reported by the Mail today, a woman who years ago went to stay with CB by the invitation of a friend, she was so frightened she armed herself with a kitchen knife because she thought they were going to be raped. Was she raped? Doesn't look like it so what does this evidence suggest?

This must go down in history as the weirdest trial on record.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html

Woman invited to go on holiday with Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner feared he would RAPE her and armed herself with a knife, she tells his sex trial

Andrea Barth, 49, said she was in her late 20s when she was invited to Portugal

By Nick Pisa In Braunschweig

Published 10/04/2024

>> A woman invited to go on holiday with Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner has told a court she feared she 'would be raped' by him and armed herself 'with a knife'.

Charity worker Andrea Barth, 49, said she was in her late 20s when she was invited to Brueckner's ramshackle home in Portugal on a three-week holiday with a friend in 2006 and described her fear on arriving at the convicted sex attacker's house.

She said that when she arrived at his home – just a few minutes from where Madeleine vanished – she recalled it as being 'incredibly dirty' and she became frightened about what might happen.

German Ms Barth said: 'I started to have some concerns,' before adding: 'I started to have strange feeling and started to think "Where are we?" and "I don't know this person."

'I started to think something isn't right here and I was afraid,' she said, adding that she feared they would become 'classic rape victims.' <<

>> 'It was a definitely a very big fear and called my sister in Germany and asked her to get a number for the tourist office to find us a hotel.

'My emotions really spiralled, we were in the middle of nowhere, so we decided to plan an escape.

'We got knives from the kitchen just in case we would have to defend ourselves. For me the danger was very realistic.'

Ms Barth said that Brueckner went out on one night before eventually returning at around 3am.

She added: 'I was really afraid that Brueckner would come back and that we would be victims of sexual crime.'

She added that they told him they wanted to go and stay elsewhere in the nearby town of Lagos. <<

>> Under cross examination from Brueckner's legal team, Ms Barth was asked: 'Is it perhaps more likely you were frightened by the spiders you had seen at the house?' She denied this. <<


Not very convincing is it, a paid witness?

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Post  Counttoten Wed 10 Apr 2024, 6:05 pm

even the germans seem to have a writers block about this case.

one of two ladies who have been in for a free holiday at the little finca, cb even got them from the airport, but decided they did not like him, and of course that is the evidence this trial needs.

so she and her friend just changed their lodgings. supposedly sometimes in 2003.

they seems to have another important female witness of noting too, a female drifter in little germany, has heard stories of a story teller and another story teller friend, well without the fine print of the exact wording, not much adventure today in court.

maybe that is the use, to bore the judges so deeply, they simply will never risk it to get cb again in a braunschweig court, their court.

it all has so little substance, was it really needed to get it heard in court?
the judges do already have the files from the prosecution, reading such void testimony must be worse enough.

big chance this trial ends up in the tutorial for prosecution officers in how not to select witnesses of nothing at all.

but who knows if the german news outlets can make it to a bit more. well friday new chances.

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Post  AlloAllo Wed 10 Apr 2024, 7:53 pm

They couldn't do much more harm to a case than the european gang of freelance reporters could they, Nick Pisa should be called back to the office, not allowed to stay in germany writing fiction for the press, I hope it's fiction and not true to court proceedings. He has more to say this afternoon.

My advice if you want to be taken seriously lay off the sensational, words don't mean much when served random.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291865/Woman-invited-holiday-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-feared-rape-armed-knife-sex-trial.html

Friend of Christian Brueckner feared the Madeleine McCann suspect 'was part of a mafia pornography ring', trial hears after witness says she feared he would rape her

Andrea Barth, 49, said she was in her late 20s when she was invited to Portugal

By Nick Pisa In Braunschweig

Published: 13:18, 10 April 2024

An associate of Christian Brueckner feared the Madeleine McCann suspect was part of a 'mafia gang' making pornographic videos, his sex assault trial has heard.

Witness Nadia Prepeluh, 49, told the court she had been told about the films by previous witness Helge Busching after he broke into Brueckner's home and watched them.

She said Busching had been left 'terrified' by what he had seen on the videos - an elderly woman and young girl being raped - and was scared Brueckner would 'come after him'.

Ms Prepeluh added: 'Helge said that as soon as Christian came out of prison he would know someone had broken into his house.

'Helge said he was afraid because he thought there was a video mafia, a porno mafia, and his assumption was that Christian was part of it.'


A mafia pornography ring, what's that? I think Nick Pisa has been binge watching jackanory junior.

Where is the evidence, one video or more said to have been watched by two known criminals? iirc one witness Manfred Seyferth said he didn't look at the videos so that narrows it down to one known criminal. Still can't believe this is going on before a law court.

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Post  AlloAllo Thu 11 Apr 2024, 2:48 pm

The Sun senior reporter Rob Pattinson needs a lesson in moral rectitude, honesty is always the best policy particularly when writing a press report that's supposed to inform. He's a comparatively new member of the gang but still adopts the same style.

And he needs to scale back on tabloid talk like 'the beast from the east'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27247382/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-chilling-pic/

MONSTER’S SMILE Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner grins in chilling pic with two women he lured back to his squalid lair
The witness said she and her friend armed themselves with kitchen knives as they feared what Brueckner would do

Rob PattinsonKatie Davis

Published: 10:14, 11 Apr 2024

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian Brueckner grinned as he posed with two women he lured to stay at his filthy cottage.

One of the holidaymakers admitted in court yesterday she feared he might rape her at his remote lair in Portugal.

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>> Andrea Barth, 49, told the trial in Braunschweig, Germany, how in 2003, at the age of 28, she went with her friend Yvonna Baumann to stay with Brueckner at his home.

She said Brueckner picked them up in an "incredibly dirty" car from the airport.

He warned the pair to stay out of his bedroom, before heading into the town, Barth said.

She told the court the cottage was covered in dirt, with a video camera and cassettes strewn across the floor.

After spending hours attempting to clear just a fraction of the squalor inside, she said she started to panic about what he might later do to her and her friend when he returned.

She said: “I hadn’t found out who he was etc, and then I started to say - something isn’t right here.

“There are no neighbours, no streets nearby, And I was afraid because I was not sure if he was then coming back with some men and that we would then be classic rape victims.”

Barth said she and Baumann armed themselves with kitchen knives before Brueckner returned drunk and went to sleep. <<


When was the chilling grinning photo taken, at the airport before getting into dirty car, back at his dirty house before the two women started cleaning, when he returned drunk, the morning after? Who is feeding Pattinson this information, a source close to the case? As reports go nothing bad happened to either of the 2 women so why is this one testifying in a law court?

Another unlikely story.

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Post  Counttoten Thu 11 Apr 2024, 7:24 pm

bild had a bit of citation, it was the answer to the head judge when she asked, why she was forgotten to tell the bka she was afraid to get raped;

"He wasn't unfriendly, he wasn't ambiguous, he didn't harass us," the witness admitted. "We gave him the nickname 'Wölkchen'. Because he was an airhead who wasn't grounded. A fantasist who had exaggerated ideas about life. A petty criminal. He thought that was cool."

Wölkchen = little cloud

the usual happening from the defence team was this day, to ask the court to hear more witnesses, because it look like it that the star witness helge b, must have lied in court, so the defence team would like to get the lady in court who owned the only bar in santa clara, and also a former investigator of the bka, because that last one has no idea that helge b seek contacted earlier on.

even bild cannot write the story of the witness andrea b, in much more than a disappointed pair tourists who expected a nice little finca near the sea for a free 3 weeks holiday.

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Post  AlloAllo Thu 11 Apr 2024, 9:00 pm

So when did these 2 women finally escape the chilling monster they were staying with, has it been said?

Report 1.

>> My emotions really spiralled, we were in the middle of nowhere, so we decided to plan an escape <<

Report 2.

>> She said that when she arrived at his home – just a few minutes from where Madeleine vanished – she recalled it as being 'incredibly dirty' and she became frightened about what might happen <<


Give her the benefit of doubt, Maddie disappeared after this escapade so she wouldn't have known of the case at the time but surely between the airport and CBs place they got an idea of the surroundings?

If they were so scared why didn't they leave rather than wait to be raped at some point during the 3 week stay?

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Were they invited by CB for a holiday or as cleaners or were they germaphobic?

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Post  Counttoten Fri 12 Apr 2024, 7:28 am

okay, the former investigator the defence team wants on the stand can be anyone, there are getting more possibilities out, so it also could be dave edgar, the bka or another english police officer.

and a german judge to hear what helge b. told in the earlier 2005 rape case, on the stand about where video tapes been hidden and the caravan(?) of helge b. stood.

i am getting the idea, after each day in court the members of the media are handed a bag of words, neatly cut out by the court workers and that have been given a good shake.

so all start to lay the jigsaw as quick as they can, but because of the pünktlich scissor work the words can fit in multiple spaces. so the results get a bit different at times. and can also explain why some news outlets, have need many days before they report about it, quite surprising to see some are after a week not beyond the helge b. statement in court, some even already got the michael t. in.

and the uk media always can make use of the excuse, they had to use google translate, their quick translation app on their phone, or a bungling translator of course, the last are very well known to the uk public.

and even german news outlets start to nick the musings of the uk media, they are not used to it, it takes almost a week to find the stories, but some do take them as gospel. most are at the moment only gotten to the story about the vans, i can understand that, that fairy tale was quite complicated. i mean try to tell the german public, they paid for a police force of 200 boots, and they overlooked a van during their raid of the old boxfactory, that also was leased many years after one case and scraped somewhere else, but also still in the liar of the bogeyman. or was it still the same white van, remember all the white vans in portugal 2007?

wait till they have to find out the next story, about the hospital minivan driver? not much in connection to the trials that are ongoing at the moment, but some reporting figures cannot have it to leave madeleine out of it.

well today is a new court day, the media outlets are not better informed as the public it is a bit of a mystery who is next in story telling. maybe cb his first love, or one of his many seconds. and it could be it is a usual halve day too, because it is still a friday.

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Post  Counttoten Fri 12 Apr 2024, 12:33 pm

this morning it was about the event on the playground of sao bartolomeu de m. in portugal, in 2017.

the now 18 year old witness did not really understand what she had seen then, but can place it now as indecent exposure. cb was not aroused as far as the witness could state. but he made moves with his hand over his male parts.

cb was caught out with his trousers down before children between then 9 and 12 years old. the witness run to her dad, and they called for the police.
but it is sais the dad and another man confronted cb, who had a packet of cigarettes in his hand and was on the phone, he tried to escape but they kept him where he was.

that is all there is out at the moment.

it was by title only described by a pay walled article that it would be a portuguese witness day in court.

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Post  AlloAllo Fri 12 Apr 2024, 2:30 pm

Nick Pisa's extended holiday in germany.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13300605/british-cops-investigating-madeeleine-mccann-disappearance-testify-christian-brueckner-sex-trial.html

EXCLUSIVE British cops investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance will be asked to testify in Christian Brueckner's sex trial - forcing them to disclose under oath what they know for the first time

   MailOnline has been told that Mark Draycott, the officer dealing with key witness Helge Busching, will be summoned to testify

By Nick Pisa In Braunschweig

Published: 10:16, 12 April 2024

>>  British police officers involved in the hunt for Madeleine McCann will be asked to testify to the ongoing trial of prime suspect Christian Brueckner, MailOnline can exclusively reveal.

The sensational development means for the first time detectives from Scotland Yard who have been investigating the 2007 disappearance of then three-year-old Madeleine will have to disclose under oath what they know.

MailOnline has been told that the officer dealing with key witness Helge Busching, Detective Constable Mark Draycott, will be summoned to give testimony at Brueckner's current trial for unrelated sex crimes.

Mr Draycott was the Scotland Yard officer who took Busching's statement in 2017 in a hotel room in the Greek capital of Athens where he told police of his fears that Brueckner was involved in Madeleine's disappearance.  <<

>>  It was in this statement that he told Operation Grange that Brueckner, 47, said to him at a hippy festival in Orgiva, Spain, that Madeleine 'didn't scream' when she was taken from the holiday apartment where she was staying.  <<

>>  In 2011 under the then Home Secretary, Theresa May, Scotland Yard was asked to take over the investigation following a request from her boss PM David Cameron and Operation Grange was set up.  <<


Ve haz de vayz ov making vou squawk!

That last short paragraph is misleading, operation grange wasn't set-up in 2011 to 'take over the investigation'.  It was to collate, coordinate and review all case information to date, 2 years later in 2013 the unit was upgraded to investigators.  Even then they were out of jurisdiction so had no legal right to investigate the case, they could only assist the portuguese investigation.

The police officers in the unit shouldn't be on trial, the current court proceedings are not connected in any way with Maddie's case so why does the media persistently try to suggest otherwise?  What next, OJ Simpson?

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Post  AlloAllo Fri 12 Apr 2024, 2:33 pm

So the whole farce hinges on those 3 words .. 'she didn't scream'. Hardly solid evidence is it?

I can see this ending up as a comedy classic.

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Post  Counttoten Fri 12 Apr 2024, 4:37 pm

yeah, but , but, but the mirror thinks the former copper must be dave edgar, really.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-to-call-32567132

The detective hired by the family of Madeleine McCann may be called to give evidence in support of the man suspected of abducting her.

Christian Brueckner is on trial over a string of sex attacks in Portugal, one of which happened just weeks before the three-year-old vanished. His lawyer, Friedrich Fuelscher, wants detective David Edgar to help him try to discredit key prosecution witness Helge Busching.

In 2017 Busching told Scotland Yard of Brueckner’s alleged links to Madeleine. He claims that when they discussed the case in 2008, Brueckner told him Madeleine “didn’t scream”. Mr Fuelscher, told the court that Busching claimed to have contacted Mr Edgar. But he said he had been in touch with the detective who confirmed “100 per cent” that he hadn’t spoken to Busching and didn’t know him.

He said Mr Edgar told him: “Brueckner was in our system. His name would have been of immediate interest. I would have immediately established his history of sexual offences.” The judge is now considering whether to call Mr Edgar, 67, as a witness. The Belfast-born retired Cheshire Police detective inspector told the Mirror he would be duty bound to go to court. He said he did not speak to Busching, adding: “I know that 100 per cent. It was not my job to speak to people directly.

“It was like a police incident room. Callers were on the system whether information was relevant or not. I don’t have the records now. I handed everything over to the Metropolitan Police lock, stock and barrel.” Mr Edgar admitted there may have been some confusion due to the different investigations into the case by him, the Met and Portuguese police.

He added: “If I am called it would not be very pleasant but I would have to do it and give evidence. It will be down to the judge.” According to Busching, who has terminal cancer, Brueckner had videos in his flat near Lagos, around seven miles from Praia da Luz, which showed him abusing an elderly woman and a child of about 13.

Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007 while they ate with friends in a tapas restaurant. Brueckner, serving seven years for raping a pensioner in 2019, denies any involvement in her disappearance. His trial for the string of sex attacks on women and children in Portugal between 2000 and 2017 will continue today in Braunschweig regional court.

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and more obscure german sources had it about a former bka police officer. but it is understandable, there are many former police officers up and about in this case.
maybe they want both. and just a bit less prime ministers, so mixing up must be easy and to expect.

if they want the scotland yard police officer who helge b. said spoken too, that would be much harder, how to find a police officer at scotland yard covering a special maddie helpline, that was not there in 2008.
helge b. only knew from his own interpretation of some words of cb, that cb must be the man who stole the child after they had a serious talk with some beers at the kite or dragon festival at orgiva in spain. that was end of march 2008.

but i agree a scotland yard former copper would be more interesting to hear from in court, or would he only be able to say no comment, maam, it is part of an ongoing investigation.

in modern law the uk has no legal ground to open up a full independent investigation in this case, but there could be a bit of antique law that they could use. the just used at least the golden rule of law, that of we simply would not tell the public what we are doing.

but it is all so complicated, because the muirror talks again about a flat near lagos. well you could with some fantasy call the little finca a bungalow and they are of course of one single layer on the ground, that could be flat. the other meaning of flat is just an apartment, well that does not sound anywhere near the little finca.

but there was a story going around many moons ago about a flat uin portimao that cb lived in, that helge b. had been looking for together with guys from scotland yard, but could not find back.

and after helge b. could no longer even remember where he left the stuff behind, in a scrapped camper van, or in a house he lived in too at the time, or as it is written the last weeks the caravan.

it is easy to get it all in a twist ins't it.


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Post  AlloAllo Sat 13 Apr 2024, 2:29 pm

Poor old CB he's dead but won't lie down, hope they're paying him well.

Meanwhile Rob Pattinson thinks himself above the law.  'Perv Pummelled', such a way with words.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27276285/throttled-madeliene-mccann-suspect-christian-breuckner-flashed-child/

PERV PUMMELLED I throttled Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner when creep flashed a child in park, hero dad tells court
It comes as Brueckner’s defence team applied for McCann private investigator Dave Edgar and Met Police officers to give evidence

   Rob Pattinson, Senior District Reporter

   Published: 14:09, 12 Apr 2024

A DAD told a court today how he had throttled Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner after he allegedly exposed himself to children under a park slide.

The parent grabbed the monster after witnessing him flash an 11-year-old child at a playground in Portugal and held onto him until cops arrived, a court heard.

Braunschweig Regional Court heard the dad stepped in after a girl complained Brueckner had exposed himself to a group of children under a park slide during a family festival in Messines.

The witness said: “A girl came to me and said there is a man under the slide and he has shown me his intimate areas.

“She told me he got his private parts out and there were children there.”

The mechanic added: "I asked him a few times what he was doing and what it was all about and he didn't respond.

"I then grabbed hold of him and we called the police.

"He sat there and I held him so he couldn’t get away but we didn't exchange any words.

"I spoke to him in Portuguese and then in English but he didn't answer.”

Brueckner cruelly laughed in court just minutes after one of his alleged sex crime victims was reduced to tears as she relived the moment he apparently exposed himself in 2017.


It'll be interesting to see how Dave Edgar handles this very delicate situation, if at all.

Another unlikely story.

The slide reported by the olive press left to the imagination.

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Post  AlloAllo Sat 13 Apr 2024, 2:37 pm

The Sun said

>> Since the trial started in February they have only succeeded with one motion, despite applications running into double figures <<

No comment!

The Sun said

>> The motions are the latest among a string of spurious requests by the team, which has sought to create delays and discredit key McCann witnesses <<

Mmmm... motions?

Spurious?

McCann witnesses?

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Post  AlloAllo Sat 13 Apr 2024, 2:47 pm

A Mirror reporter on location.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-32576240

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'flashed girl in playground' before outraged dad 'grabbed' him

The girl sobbed in court in Braunschweig, Germany, as she described the incident while giving evidence in the trial of Christian Brueckner, who is alleged to have carried out a string of sex attacks

ByJeremy Armstrong, in Braunschweig, Germany

20:08, 12 Apr 2024

>> A teenager sobbed as she told how Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner exposed himself to her in a playground when she was 11.

The youngster fled in panic to her father, who said he ran to grab the convicted paedophile and found him pretending to make a phone call on a pack of cigarettes.

Brueckner, who is on trial for a string of sex attacks in Portugal, allegedly pulled down his trousers close to where children were playing in the Algarve town of Sao Bartolomeu de Messines in 2017.

With tears rolling down her cheeks, the woman, now 18, told the court she now realises Brueckner had been performing a sex act. She said: “I ran straight to my father. I told him what had happened. My father spoke with another man and they rang the police.”

The woman added that she had heard about the Madeleine case after Brueckner was arrested from an account on TV in Portugal. Her father, a 53-year-old electrician, said: “I went across to the man. I asked him what he was doing and he did not answer and gave me no reason for being there so I called the police. He was about 50 metres away.

“When I got there, he was pretending to make a call using a packet of cigarettes. I spoke to him in Portuguese and he tried to speak English. I called the police and I grabbed him, held him there until they came. We did not exchange a word from that point on. But I kept him there.”

Officers arrived and spoke about Brueckner being involved in “other incidents of paedophilia”, he told the court via videolink. The report was made at a playground in the town centre, where parents were sitting as their children played in the evening. The dad said a work colleague assisted him in guarding Brueckner, who did not try to escape. <<

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Post  Counttoten Sat 13 Apr 2024, 3:26 pm

the only new thing was really they both testified through a video connection.

the rest of the details is a bit of a quiz, with a phone and holding cigarettes, against using a packet of cigarettes as if it was a phone.

the district reporter looks after i counted the votes wrong to tell daddy saw it too.
and the germans keep it much less cryptic than the uk media.

the stuff about the motions can take quite a lot of time before they got an answer from the judges panel. they had their easter holidays too of course. only the ones that have a direct effect, like the one of the magistrate are handled directly. most will just be handled at the end of the trials.

and a lot of the motions have a need of witnesses, so it was not out of the blue there are month taken out extra to handle this series of cases. and of course it is why you want a lawyer working for you.

all in all there is little to be impressed by the witnesses.

at least the uk media have found the true exclusive interview of helge b with the greek paper, almost 7 years after the fact. a story that reached a journalist at the time by the weekly memo of the police.
they simply missed that notice, and by that 3 years of easy writing. greece athens even must have been such a better location to report from. and even if it is really true helge b. travelled to london, they missed that notice too.

have they found the police team already that did the raid at kennelblick gardens?


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Post  AlloAllo Sun 14 Apr 2024, 3:10 pm

What's in store for the next anniversary, more of the same or a final end to the story?

My only interest in CB is in connection with Maddie, I'm still waiting to hear some evidence to support the german chiefs conviction. Still the current trial is not about Maddie, imo it's a mock-up of past allegations that also have no compelling evidence to presume guilt.

The name Dieter appears again, second hand information reported by GB News coming from the olive press. This is the man who claims CB gave him a tour of his winnebago mobile home where you could hide children and drugs. Families usually stick together through thick and thin, here we have Dieter selling his daughter down the river?

https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/madeleine-mccann-new-location-for-search-emerges

Madeleine McCann: New location for search emerges as plea issued to police

By George Bunn

Published: 12/04/2024

>> The family of an ex-girlfriend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told police her remains may be found in their former garden.

Dieter F, a hospital minibus driver, has twice given evidence to German detectives in the case of the missing British toddler.

He believes remains of Madeleine may be found in the garden of the former rented home of his daughter on the Algarve. <<

>> Dieter told The Olive Press that Brueckner said he had a hiding place in his winnebago large enough to "hide a small child'".

He said: "I’ve twice told the BKA police they must dig up the garden and home. Unfortunately, I think she is responsible and getting easy money is everything to her.” <<

>> Meanwhile, the current owner of the home, Villa Bianca, Lia Silva said she would welcome the police coming to search there.

She told reporters last year: "I’ve always said it’s important to try and solve this case once and for all and if that means bringing in diggers fair enough." <<

>> Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We gave the info from Dieter to the Portuguese police but I don’t know if they are going to do anything. We can only ask them. If they want to do it they do it, if they don’t, they don’t. We can’t go on our own. <<

>> He added: "I can’t confirm how many times we have spoken to this lady but it is various times. She is a witness in the Maddie case but I can’t say how important."

In the trial, former friend Michael Tatschl, 50, gave evidence saying Brueckner had installed a "chest height" iron ring at his farmhouse, to which he tied the teenager "for days", forcing her to perform sexual acts before eventually letting her go. <<


Again it's the portuguese police at fault, I think they've all forgotten something...WOOF!

CBs living quarters over the years is getting as confusing as the missing video tapes and his various campervans and cars.

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Post  Counttoten Mon 15 Apr 2024, 8:37 am

so the list of witnesses the defence team wants to hear in court, are given by bild, the german tabloid.

the lady who owned the bar helge b. said he showed the video. in court from an email was the citation, she never heard of the name helge b. and if she was showen or told about such things she would have called the cops. pretty much the same as she said before in one of the documentaries.
her name is given as frances s.

there are two witnesses, at least one nadia p. that was heard in court, but bild gives also a jurgen r. who both told helge b. told about the video's, helge b. was almost in tears when he told it to them.
really? still told about video's. and from other sources nadia also should have told, that helge knew it must be cb, not that he recognized cb, but simply knew.

the next would be dave edgar, who also states never to have spoken to helge b. at least almost impossible, but it could have maybe been a co worker that helge b. spoke too.

the next is a female judge from landesgericht braunschweig, to be asked what helhe b. declared about where his caravan was placed, where he left the video tapes.

and unnamed also a police officer. so that could be one of scotland yard, operation grange or anyone working for the bka around 2017. different sources say different things, some have it on as about the story told to the bka from the uk police forces, others about how the uk police forces made the contact to germany.

bild also gave the link to their scoop with helge b. where he was telling on screen that he had called and spoken to the special maddie hotline of scotland yard in 2008. a hotline that is most likely only known by helge b. it is at least nowhere to find in the history of the mccann case.

and this all goes back to the tales of a convict helge b.

most sources are not direct sources, but just nicked stuff from others, or from parties that do not speak german, or understand over 4 words of a full german court day, that use translators or translation apps of unknown quality.
also german sources, only known by a nickname, that say they took a seat in court in the public zone, tell about very bad acoustics.

and the tales of the convict are not only about the madeleine case, it is to understand that the two cases of with the unknown supposed victims on the supposed once seen video tapes by helge b. are also part of these tales, so in that way it is still that helge b. is the witness who brought cb under attention.

what is unknown is if helge b. has something to gain from his tales. going by his former pal manfred s. helge b. had very empty pockets before the uk police officers talked to him, and had he pockets full again after these days of conversations. also was helge b. very much interested in the reward money.

well before helge b. was bought by the money from bild, helge b. was still telling the world he wanted no money, but was willing to tell his tales if an amount of 50.000 euro's was made over to the madeleine fund. he did not want to earn from it.

helge b. can hardly have been in a need for money at the time bild was his paymaster, because of all the tales about being in police protection from germany. usually that includes housing.

so it is still on topic in this trial and the defence wants to hear what helgew b. exactly has declared before to others, and how that reflects to the story told to the bka and during this trial.

i still have to look up if witnesses in germany are sworn in before they testify, there is not really a need for, because it is the duty of each witness to only speak the truth, it will just be that telling porkies in the court is contempt of court, and that is a misdemeanor, or if done in a truly misleading way it can be a criminal offence.

it would be less hard to follow if there had been court transcripts of course, the same lines are now often translated, or an interpretation by a reporter, that has no understanding of german at all.
and it is unknown what they do use to get it translated. or if they even been in court at all.
and a lot is first translated from the german in court to english, and a lot of german reporters translate that back to german again.

it gets harder to find open source quality reports from german sources, they love the paywalls too.

then there are the jokers in reporting, who just like us have to make use of what is covered by others. they are usually a full week behind.
it can be worse, on facebook there are some sources of low quality that are a full year behind the story of madeleine, they play out at the moment the polish julia theme as if it is happening all over again.
and some facebook pages just play news outlet, they are now at the arade dam expedition, what is just full click bait and even a full scam adventure.
many of the german possible sources are bound to just the same few press agencies, and it looks like a kind of tombola who can publish the same first and who is second, or third. usually from the third places it looses often out of a paywall, but it takes a lot of time before you can read the same stuff.



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Post  AlloAllo Mon 15 Apr 2024, 1:20 pm

You can creep round a paywall artificial intelligence on the other hand needs further investigation, at present it could have you behind bars for reading the news. Yesterday I read a well reasoned comment about social media, the reader picks up on a few facts out of context, comments and then moves on to the next. The article was about media in general, I looked again for it but I've been blocked because I move too fast to be a human being. They would know wouldn't they?

The reader should be very wary of translation tools like google, I recently used it for a translation into english it was gobbledygook. Words that don't even exist.

Media reports usually come from a central source, a press agency. The reporter then puts a slant on the story for their respective employer. Quite a lot of the CB reports quote the olive press as their source of information, hardly surprising as they have a german market but also because the olive press founder has been very busy following the CB case in and around germany, he even wrote a book about 'his search for Maddie'. He also reports for british tabloids along side the regular names that profit by Maddie. Unorthodox method of journalism but there doesn't appear to be any boundaries since the internet became so popular.

None of this answers the question why all these witnesses are allowed to speak in a law court, it's all second third fourth hand information, even those who claim first hand knowledge like Hazel Behan don't have any supporting evidence.

Casey's court. I've always thought the CB stories odd, it doesn't get any better. A court case should iron out the details not create more creases.

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Post  Counttoten Mon 15 Apr 2024, 3:35 pm

i looked it up in german and hearsay is strangly allowed in a german trial. and it is even more often so prominent in an indizen case.
under dutch law it can be used as mostly to evidence stuff, but it is up to the judge if it is recognized to have any value. i only never have seen it so prominent as it is used here.

i am not a great fan of it, the same words can have a different meaning and it is very human to fill in half the words, instead of first truly listen to what is said. we cannot help that much, it is just how our brains work.

also in this case all these people have kept in contact, so re-feeding the story that can hardly be that important at the time. it was not that helge b., manfred s, michael t. and all the others kept their distance after helge b. in the first halve of 2006 had supposedly seen the bad video's.

it was not really a bar they met up in march 2008 all four of them, it was one of the temporary shacks that sold beer at that festival. it had nothing in common with the type of official festivals most of us know of. it looks more as a market after a busy market day, and the cleaning crew first had got a nice bunch of cattle and pigs send through it, and had a sit together with a beer before they started cleaning up. so to say the spoke each other in a bar is very much overrated.

the typical jail talk stories by michael t. well, find a first of that kind that has not worked up some fantasies to get through doing time. and again also for michael t. the stories never been bad enough to keep cb at distance, he even looked for cb in the spring of 2007 in the area of the southern part of the algarve.

the german news outlets do hardly anything with the olive dripping press stories, they usually waith until the mirror, daily mail or the sun has written about it, they do nick that of course. and they have too of course, because a lot never really happened in that way. that circus in the gardens of kennelblick exist only in the english papers, they all looked for it, some mentioned it, but the press agencies simply called the one and only hcw as he is still the press officer for the prosecution in braunschweig, and even hcw did not know anything as such happened.

the story about the vans has a bit of a stamp of ai of course, well if you feed a computer just garbage, the output will still be garbage. it is more popular in use than thought in news outlets.
but it would still not be much different with the heads of tabloid reporters, if you feed those heads with crap, it will simply result in crap too. nothing new there.

and the english speaking communities are still lucky, if you dare to use you tube auto generated translate, what must be a google product too, dutch to english and english to dutch have nothing with anything said to do at all. german to english is a bit better sometimes.
but you always still have to take a look before you use a dutch or german video about this case on an english language forum.

i can easily translate it all from one to the other, but it is just my laziness to use deepl for news articles. i never translate anything in dutch, german or english for myself. translation is so much different from the understanding in the language you know by yourself.

ai is in it infancy, i think we are just in the icarus fase of flying. and most auto translate is early ai.

and even after the daily mail has printed the full transcript of the charges in the trail now, i am a bit reluctant to feed most german texts just through deepl, to translate them, it seems words you can say openly in german news, are still seen as inappropriate in the uk.

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Post  AlloAllo Tue 16 Apr 2024, 1:22 pm

A lot of reports published by the tabloids and other low grade news channels cite the olive press as the source of information, so whatever news report quoted leads back to the primary source, the olive press.

That is confusing matters even more. It has been said man recently stood before a law court as a witness to the alleged playground flashing incident. This is the olive press version published last year.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/09/08/exclusive-brave-wpc-confirms-hunt-for-blonde-accomplice-of-maddie-suspect-christian-brueckner/

EXCLUSIVE: Brave WPC confirms hunt for ‘blonde accomplice’ of Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner
By Jon Clarke

September 8, 2023

A PLUCKY policewoman who arrested Madeleine McCann suspect in 2017 says police tried to locate a ‘blonde man’ who was with him that night

Off-duty officer Vanessa Viera revealed in a new book that she and her colleagues searched around the area trying to find the potential accomplice.

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It came after she arrested dangerous sex offender Christian Brueckner, 44, in a children’s park in Messines, on the Algarve, at 2.15am during a local fiesta.

“He looked so familiar and I knew I had seen him before,” she revealed in the book, My Search for Madeleine, by Olive Press editor Jon Clarke.

“It was then I realised he hadn’t come alone and I’d seen him and his friend at one of the bars in the square.

“Other parents also remembered he had been chatting to another tall blonde man.”

Her grilling of the German came after she was forced to hold off four angry dads of kids he had allegedly flashed at under a slide.

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She eventually calmed them down and managed to call in colleagues.

“I asked him where his friend was and he just smiled and wouldn’t say anything. He wouldn’t tell us where he was staying either.”

She continued: “We searched all around for his friend, but it was clear he had completely vanished. He must have taken the car or van.”

After being handcuffed he was taken to a police van, where her colleagues discovered there was a warrant for his arrest for sex offences in Germany.

He was then taken to prison, from where he was extradited a fortnight later.

The Portuguese WPC, who had been out with her five-year-old daughter that night, had been following the case closely for a decade.

She had actually been stationed outside the apartment at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine, 3, had been snatched in May, 2007.

She never thought for a second that the McCann family were involved.

“I saw first hand the tragedy and trauma that the poor family went through,” she reveals in the book. “It was awful. I could really see their pain and suffering.”

The book has carefully tracked the German sex offender’s movements since first arriving in Portugal in 1994.

Apart from spending over a decade in Portugal, Brueckner spent many months living in Spain, in particular in the Granada province, near Orgiva.

My Search for Madeleine, by Jon Clarke, can be bought on all Amazon platforms in both digital and print formats.


Apart from story telling discrepancies look at the pictured playground, is this story really likely?

Maddie disappeared in May 2007 leaving no trail of evidence but the dog alerts of blood and death as recorded in the portuguese investigation files. How does CB and his past alleged crimes fit in with the case of Maddie? Flashing in a playground is not on the same level as kidnap and murder. There was no evidence of a break in, no evidence of abduction, no evidence of a third party, no evidence at all but a missing child and dog alerts and the contradictory statements of the parents and their friends. That's where it started and stopped, followed by years of empty deception and constant repetition of accusations against the portuguese police.

No police force is perfect but compared to the reported unprofessional antics of the german police over the past 4 years the portuguese are saints.

The CB trial is again being woven into Maddie's case but it's not about Maddie, it's about CB and alleged crimes committed over the years. There is no evidence to link CB with Maddie's disappearance, people believe what they read so it's important that reports are accurate. Some hope.


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Post  Counttoten Wed 17 Apr 2024, 12:15 pm

it looks the mirror is the first, so just use that as a start. the braunschweiger zeitung only had a title out of paywall, about a last rebel of the rebel farm in santa clara and his girl friend in tow for today, but the mirror found another one with stories;

A woman has told a German court that the suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, befriended her on a dating site and allegedly messaged her about her "cute" daughter

Christian Brueckner befriended a mum in an online ‘paedophile’ chat room and swapped messages about her “cute” daughter, a court heard.

Brueckner, the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, later met the woman and spent time alone with her child, it is claimed. The convicted paedophile allegedly asked for photos of the four-year-old and told her mum she should be a “model”.

He also drunkenly bragged to her about breaking into Algarve holiday apartments while naked and using a pair of tights as a mask, she said. She gave evidence in court in Braunschweig, where Brueckner is on trial accused of carrying out sex attacks on women and children.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she met the German pervert online in 2013. “He wrote to me on a regular dating chat site, but I have since found out it’s where many paedophiles and sick people operate,” she said. “At the beginning I thought it was about me. But when I spoke to him, I mentioned my daughter. She was almost four.”

Asked by the prosecution if she noticed Brueckner was interested in her daughter, she replied: “Not at all, otherwise I wouldn’t have done that. He just said he found her cute and said she could be a model.” She said Brueckner spent time alone with her daughter when they went out on dog walks.

“He wasn’t threatening, otherwise I wouldn’t have allowed it,” the mum told the court. “I never had any cause to not let her go.” She said Brueckner was often drunk and would boast about raids he had carried out while living in Portugal. “He said he went into houses where people were sleeping,” she said. “He had tights over his head and had goggles on top. All this was not really for me, the idea of going past people who were sleeping, wearing goggles. I thought, ‘who does this?’.”

The woman said Brueckner, 47, claimed he had stolen a large amount of cash during one raid carried out with a female accomplice. “It must have been a lot,” she recalled. “I’m not sure if it was €100,000 but it was a lot.” Brueckner is accused of carrying out sex attacks on women and children in Portugal between 2000 and 2017.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-sent-mum-32605518
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strange the mirror use the same bit of law to explain why mummy has no name, but do make use of that of the other parties in court.

must have been quite a fashion outing when being just a burglar in the algarve. from leotard with balaclava, till naked with a sock on your head.
before we already had the guys with sloppy burgundy tops from a beer pr kind, with towels bound on its feet. one with a corona-save mask-type. that must have been a trend setter of course.

i was a bit misled by the first sentence by reading mum of a four year old on a paedo site. no, every adult that tells stories of his criminal past, real or fantasy, that is often drunk is excellent company for a 4 year old girl of course. she must have missed out the usual notice about 'be carefull who you are talking too in the online world. i forgot if it was actually france or italy, in one of them that could make you quite criminal, the other wants to make it criminal to share your children online.

and it is still strange that many online like to call cb ugly, head full of scares, still he looks never had much against him when it was about getting female attention. and they did see him in full day light too all of them. his first known one, silke b. is soon expected in court too, and his last in the little finca, marina f., who had packed already hid dirty movies to hand over to christian p. shortly after early april 2006. and there are at least 5 others still in the closet.

the duo females of last week, i forgot to mention, that after they told cb, they wanted to get out, he brought them with the car to a hotel in lagos, and later during their stay, they had still some drinks with the bad vibes man and even found the time to do a nice trip to a lighthouse. really the right things to do with guys you think are out to gang rape you.

none of these witnesses are under oath or promise in court, they still have the obligation to only state the truth by law.


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Post  AlloAllo Wed 17 Apr 2024, 2:00 pm

So another anonymous witness presents to the court much the same information as circulated by CBs mates and previous witnesses, thank you Martin Fricker, another tabloid club reporter who has followed the Maddie case for years.

An anonymous witness says she talked to CB on a paedo website which a few sentences later becomes a dating chat site? She spoke of her young daughter and they met up in real life, a drunk found on a paedo or dating chat room who boasted naked and masked robberies around the Algarve but didn't see any reason not to trust him being alone with her 4 year old daughter? 4 years old, what a coincidence.

Yeah yeah, pull the other one it's got bells on.


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Post  Counttoten Wed 17 Apr 2024, 5:36 pm

well, well, that was not the best afternoon for the prosecution. a 51 year old woman and a 61 years old man both told they have no idea who the heck helge b. is, do not know the guy, this must be the former biker and also called the last rebel, it was on their terrain helge b. supposedly left a caravan behind with supposedly/possibly/ not so sure the magic supposed video tapes.

helge b. supposedly has declared in court before they had been shown parts of the video tapes.

there is another party that maybe will make it to the court, the female bar owner in santa clara, that only had one single bar, also has no idea who helge b. is, and who already had said on tv screen she knows nothing about any nasty video's, because she would certainly have called the cops.

this from a series of lokal papers. bild has nothing yet, and it gets a bit hard to even find their stuff through their search bar, there are more christan b. 's at the moment, and another one who is suspected of crimes too.

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