Sonia Poulton's documentary

What about all the people in this country who have never commented on what Madeleine was like even though they knew her and must have had an opinion? Like the lady you met who worked at her nursery who was silenced, Andrew?

Who silenced them, if not part of a cover-up?

I think that was the mc's silencing them deecoy. Remember at that point they had a lot of money, top notch lawyers etc and probably they would use the law about not releasing details of children under 18 to the medua in order to keep general people from blabbing imo

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:
I agree with that comment also.  For the SY to be given another £2m they must be on to something and need more time to tie up all loose ends, it is a lot of money to "whitewash" a case, and if it is "whitewashed" there's no telling what someone or something may come out of the woodwork in years to come which would blow the whole thing wide open as a charade.

There seems to be a whole lot of people involved in the case, so everyone of them has to be questioned, eliminated or charged, whether in Portugal, the UK, or elsewhere i.e. those involved in Metodo 3 and the McCanns' "Private PIs", just for starters.

Oops, think I did mean you, getting my DFM's and DDL's mixed up lol

Dee Coy wrote:What about all the people in this country who have never commented on what Madeleine was like even though they knew her and must have had an opinion? Like the lady you met who worked at her nursery who was silenced, Andrew?

Who silenced them, if not part of a cover-up?

The McCanns had £millions at their disposal in the very early years to put in place any injunctions that needed to be put in place by the courts or any other means to shut up everyone including the press.

People could have talked but what they said would not make it to the press because of the McCanns' (probable) injunction on the press's freedom to print what had been said.

The McCanns were very powerful at that time, not forgetting that they paid £500,000 to put them on the front of every newspaper for a year, but of course only if the stories put them in a good light and woe betide any publisher who dared criticise them after being paid that amount of money,

Andrew wrote:How many people would it take to whitewash everything, this side and in Portugal.

How much money would it cost to keep everyone quiet for the rest of their lives, this side and in Portugal.

A whitewash is impossible.

A whitewash would not of been played out like this if that was the true agenda.

Imo etc.

I believe Amaral is of the opinion that the McCann's are being protected.

Dee Coy wrote:What about all the people in this country who have never commented on what Madeleine was like even though they knew her and must have had an opinion? Like the lady you met who worked at her nursery who was silenced, Andrew?

Who silenced them, if not part of a cover-up?

I didn't meet her, I met her friend.

I see where your coming from but that was the early days (prior to Arguido stage).

At that time everyone was on the Mc's side. The whole population on side, money pouring in and said money used extremely wisely. (amazing what lots of money can buy you).

Later on it was an embarrassment to the majority, hence there distance. To some, they were too involved so had to sit out the ride regardless (and regrettably). Didn't have much of a choice.

Money buys a lot of stuff, as said, which has enabled them to silence and sue.

That was what the money was all about for them.

But that was a long time ago. Money runs out, therefore protection runs thinner, then soon to be non existent. Apart from a lot of schmucks that are more concerned with covering there own arses, than the Mc's.

Sadly a lot of people and organisations made a lot of money from.Madeleine.

Of course nobody could admit that they saw the pound signs first.

I think Snr Amaral became very frustrated at the way the case was going and who could blame him, and what may have seemed to be protection of the Mc;s at the time he spoke out, has changed now, I don't think he's said anything since both police forces re-opened their investigations

Walt wrote:

Andrew wrote:How many people would it take to whitewash everything, this side and in Portugal.

How much money would it cost to keep everyone quiet for the rest of their lives, this side and in Portugal.

A whitewash is impossible.

A whitewash would not of been played out like this if that was the true agenda.

Imo etc.

I believe Amaral is of the opinion that the McCann's are being protected.

I think he was at the time, and they were initially.

What he thinks now and what's going on behind the scenes is an entirely different matter.

He works in silence as does the truth.

Imo etc.

Not sure about that Andrew,he was scathing about the landscaping last year.

Walt wrote:Not sure about that Andrew,he was scathing about the landscaping last year.

True, but with what's going on with him and the Mc's privately, then was he really going to be kept in the loop about absolutely everything. From both forces.

I don't think so.

Although he might know more now but stayed quiet.

Yes, for all we know, at the time of the digs he may not have had any more info than we did, bearing in mind that it is an active police investigation and Snr Amaral is no longer a serving officer, as such he wouldn't necessarily be privy to any inside information, in fact as he is in an ongoing civil litigation with the McCanns it would probably be better to keep him out of the loop imo

http://portocanal.sapo.pt/um_video/11onQvrULT3GzrYFv07K

The above video was released in March 2014, well after both investigations were underway. Not only does Goncalo believe politics dominate the case, he is quite clear about the "manipulation" of the forensic data at the FSS lab in the UK. He also mentions the hair that was retained and needs to be retested (wonder if this is the same sample OG were fussing about trying to bring to England last Christmas?).

Textusa has a transcript of the video on her blog:

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/political-courage.html

And I believe Chatelaine provided a transcript over on CMoMM. I hope she won't mind if I reproduce it here? Thank you Chatelaine, in advance.


Q: Do you regret anything?

“I would do exactly the same [today that I did then], with a small difference: I would not leave the Polícia Judiciária. It could be a problem for the Polícia Judiciária. I did think about it then, shall I leave or not, if I stay with the police I’m a problem for the police, or if I leave, I have all of the other problems.”

“I don’t regret what I did, I did it with conviction, I did it to defend the investigation model, what a criminal investigation is supposed to be. Earlier, you spoke about the politically correct, the politically correct policeman. It is my understanding that criminal investigations cannot be politically correct, because they can’t be concerned with politics. And what happened, and continues to happen, is that we have to be politically correct, subordinate to the English power. That happens, it happened on the 2nd of October [of 2007] at the Lisbon Treaty, there were discussions between José Sócrates, then prime minister, and Gordon Brown, the English prime minister, who told the newspapers that he had asked the Portuguese prime minister about the [Maddie] case. So even before that it was already a political case. And when politics intrude into a criminal investigation, nothing will end well, whether the criminal investigation relates to a homicide, a burglary, a disappearance, or corruption.”

“Going back to the beginning of the question, I don’t have any regrets. I don’t have regrets because although principles and values don’t fill the fridge, I feel rich in another way.”

Q: Was Maddie McCann abducted or is she dead?

“Maddie McCann disappeared and since that time she is – she died. She died that night. Those are the conclusions that are reached in the process itself: In September of 2007, the Polícia Judiciária concludes – and this is a conclusion within an investigation that was not over yet but has a principle there – it’s a sequence of indications that are collected which reaches the conclusion that it is very likely that she died. She died that night. The circumstances of the death are still to be determined. What mechanism – what happened for that death to take place is yet to be discovered.”

“And if the parents nowadays make us believe that their daughter is alive, or have to gamble on her being alive, they forget that right after the investigation it was them that were the first to signal death. They were the first to say that their daughter – that it was necessary for a coronel from the South African army to come with a miracle machine to find the body. So it’s the parents that invite him to come to Portugal, to find a body.”

“Later, years later they say that she is still alive. And now the Scotland Yard, apparently already with their agreement, or their tacit agreement, says that the child is dead. That is the obvious. What usually happens in this kind of situation – for years they have mentioned other cases – if a certain child disappears and reappears after several years, alive and even with children, with the abductor, then Madeleine may also probably be alive. But they forget a small detail. Actually, they don’t forget it, they just don’t enlighten us, because these people have all of the information, they have staff that works with the entire information, which is also a bit strange, but they forget a detail: all of those children that have reappeared, whether in Austria or in the United States, they weren’t three or four years old when they disappeared. They were all close to the age of 10. All of them were girls and close to the age of 9, 10. None of them disappeared aged 3 or 4.”

“When an abductor makes a girl his slave, what we have seen is that the age is not 3 or 4, but much closer to adolescence. They forget that detail.”

“I have no doubts about what happened to Madeleine McCann. Madeleine McCann died that day, that night, in that apartment, and her body disappeared.”

Q: On what do you base that conviction?

“On many things. A series of indications, a series of contradictions, the witness statements of the parents, the witness statements of their friends, the traces that were collected with the assistance of special English dogs that never failed in the United Kingdom, they now work with the FBI. They never failed. At the time, we were introduced to several cases and situations, all of them they worked in and never failed. The possibility is that they failed in Portugal. Maybe it was the heat.”

Q: Was there human blood in the car boot and inside the apartment?

“No doubt. Inside the apartment and in the car boot. That human blood, the English lab even says, there is a report in the process, that says it’s the daughter of – the daughter of Gerald McCann, it’s a descendant of his. Later on, they change the hypothesis, and say that the combination of the DNA may be from anyone. By coincidence, in that case the DNA is very similar, 90% similar to that of Madeleine McCann, but it could be DNA built by myself, by Júlio Magalhães or by you, and then it would result in that DNA profile. But the funny thing is that it results in the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann. It does not result in the DNA profile of Júlio Magalhães, or of Gonçalo Amaral or of Luís Filipe Menezes. Not even in that of the doctor who performed the test.”

“We have no doubts, and this was discussed even at the level of Portuguese justice, at the level of the Public Ministry, that there was an alteration at the English lab. The data was manipulated. The FSS, the British lab, which was already questioned over several situations, even concerning the IRA in Ireland, over bomb attacks, those traces, that way to find the DNA, to examine the DNA with low copy number, was called into question relating to traces found on a bomb in an Irish case. And that lab was called into question.”

“But there is a situation, concerning the lab, which has to be taken into account. There are the registers that are performed by the technicians, by the scientists that examine, and we have to look at those registers, at what they wrote. On an everyday basis, as they examined the evidence, the traces that were sent over, what they wrote along. And then we see the result in that report that they sent over to Portugal.”

“Then there’s another situation. It is still possible to find out or to collect indications of whether or not the dogs failed. If inside that car boot – I’m referring to the car that was rented by the McCanns some 15 or 20 days after the disappearance – blood traces were found, traces that the lab says may be, although there is no full certainty, that may be from Madeleine McCann, hair was also found. Hair which the laboratory says, from its coloration, which is how this used to be done in the old days, by comparing the coloration, if it belonged to the person or not. Nowadays it is possible to perform, and then it was already possible, to perform DNA tests on hair. Some say it’s only possible to identify the DNA profile with the root of the hair, the English lab says it’s not possible because these have no root, therefore they don’t perform the test. That hair is in Portugal, it was returned to Portugal. They are next to the process. It’s simple: the Public Ministry, that has the investigation, should take that hair and send it to a lab in Europe or elsewhere, where that type of test is done, without the need for the root of the hair.”

Q: That was never done?

“That was never done. It was never done and what is said is that there may have been a contamination. But we end up not knowing whether that hair belongs to Madeleine McCann or not. That’s another doubt to discuss, to clarify. Now, there cannot be a piece of evidence while we’re here talking about the man who died under the tractor and quit his job a month before because there was 5 euro missing –“

Q: Why did neither the PJ nor the SY question the Smith family?

“It was on the day of the Lisbon Treaty, which happens to be my birthday, on the 2nd of October of 2007. It was the Lisbon Treaty, it’s my birthday on the 2nd of October, and I was “fired” from Portimão on the 2nd of October. And that is the time when we were preparing for the head of that family, a family of approximately 5, it was him, his wife, his son, his daughter-in-law, his daughter, to come to Portugal. On the night of the 3rd of May, at around 10 p.m., when they were returning from a restaurant in Praia da Luz, they crossed paths with an individual who was coming down a certain street towards the beach, carrying a child with her head on his shoulder, as if she was asleep. Later on they say that - they see the news, because on the following day they returned to Ireland – they say it may have been Madeleine McCann and the person who was carrying Madeleine McCann.”

“These people were heard within the process right away in May/June, they came to Portugal, they were heard, they gave a description of the person, physically, how he walked, they described his clothes, whether he was Portuguese or not, they said he’d be a tourist because he was tanned, not a Latin man, they also indicate the person’s age, the age of the child, approximately, according to her size, and that was it.”

“It was only later, when Gerald McCann and Kate McCann leave Portugal to go to England, in September, after being heard as arguidos, when they flee, literally, they fled to England, and the English police followed suit, because they were here cooperating with us but then they also disappeared, and we concluded that the English police was in Portugal merely to somehow protect that couple.”

“But when they arrive in England, there’s an image that went around the world, which shows Gerald McCann coming down the stairs of the plane, the stairs that access the plane, and walking on the runway with one of the twins in the same position, in his arms with the head here [on the shoulder]. And what that family says is that this individual, from the way that he walks, the way that he carries the child, is the person that they saw on the night of the 3rd of May. They don’t say anything else. What happens? We initiated the diligences to bring them to Portugal, to hear him, it would be the father of the family that would come over, he was available to come, and everything was prepared. Authorizations from the PJ’s national director for them to come to Portugal, the tickets were about to be emitted, we still had to book a hotel, so it was only a matter of logistics.”

“And on the 2nd of October, after I was questioned by a paper, Diário de Notícias, about what I thought of the English police saying that Madeleine had been sighted in Morocco, I unburdened that they should worry about what really had happened to Madeleine instead of worrying about other situations because when the English police left Portugal, what was agreed upon between the Portuguese police and the English police was that the investigation had to move forward in terms of understanding how the death had occurred. The death of Madeleine McCann. And what had happened to the body.”

“We were not discussing abductions or that the child had been taken to become a sex slave, none of that. We were speaking about death and concealment of a body. And it’s on that 2nd of October that I leave. I left the investigation, it’s on that 2nd of October that Gordon Brown speaks with José Sócrates – it would be good if Mr José Sócrates would explain, if he is able to explain what happened – I think that his stance was one of – from what I could understand at that time, a stance of distance from the investigation, he didn’t give a lot of importance to Gordon Brown’s statement – Gordon Brown tried to involve the Portuguese prime minister in that controversy, so to speak.”

“But the person that later substituted me understands that it is not relevant to bring the Irish to Portugal. And that was it. So never again were the Irish heard, they were heard through –“

Q: How is it possible that the English prime minister’s spokesman quit Tony Blair to become the McCanns’ spokesman within 24 hours?

“That’s another mystery within the mystery. And if we understand that little mystery, maybe we can understand what lies behind, not the disappearance, not the child’s death, but behind the protection – why protect this family, this couple?”

Q: Have you noticed that couple’s power?

“Yes, I have. I even notice it in my bank account, in what I receive at the end of every month. This is what has been happening.”

Q: Is it true that one of the group’s members had been denounced earlier on by another friend over behavior that could indicate some extravagant behavior in terms of a tendency towards pedophilia?

“There is a mysterious figure, it’s another part of the mystery that may even be related to Clarence Mitchell leaving the British government to support the couple. You can say it’s a conspiracy theory, but it’s not. There is a British couple, also doctors, who went on holiday with the McCann couple two years earlier, with the children, with Madeleine, and with other couples of doctors, including a gentleman called David Payne. David Payne is the last witness. He is the witness that says that on the 3rd of May he went to the apartment and he saw those children and that they looked like heavenly angels, they were very clean, very white, something truly heavenly.”

“This is the person that bathed, during these holidays that he organized, he bathed the little girls aged 2 and 3. Not only his children, but also the other couples’ children. And it’s under those circumstances and in comments that he makes during a holiday period, and according to the statement of Dr Katherine Gaspar, this is the name of the person that denounces, the statement is in the process – and this is something, if we have time, that I’ll try to explain.”

“What she says is that he made gestures and asked questions about Madeleine McCann, to Gerald McCann, in front Madeleine McCann herself, who was then aged 2.”

Q: Did the investigation never explore the possibility of that person being a paedophile?

“Exactly, this is the question. That statement arrived in Portugal after I left the investigation. I left on the 2nd of October, they arrived a couple of months later. It’s a statement from Dr Katherine Gaspar and her husband, to the British police, on the 16th of May of 2007, two weeks after the disappearance, statements that the Portuguese police was not informed about, and which arrive in Portugal by mail, not by fax, underneath other documents, and those statements are loose, and someone with the British police, what he did was, here’s these statements, now you go and investigate, question. And never did anyone at the Portuguese police, those who substituted me, they didn’t question anyone. Neither did the Scotland Yard. Nobody interrogates, nobody investigates what is happening there.”

“Dr Katherine Gaspar, who denounced Mr David Payne to the British police, was never heard within the Portuguese process. And she was never included in the rogatory letter that was sent by the Portuguese authorities. This is the truth. We have abductions and burglaries, but the things that are in the process are not investigated.”

Q: This is never going to be solved, is it?

“I think that it will be solved. It will be solved as soon as there is the political will on both sides.”

Q: If it turns out that Madeleine McCann was in fact dead, do you want to be compensated?

“Well, if I use the McCann couple’s strategy, it has already been recognized. The Scotland Yard has already said that she is dead.”

Q: If you had the same financial resources that the McCann couple has with their fund, would you have found the perpetrators?

“I would have done a lot to try to find the perpetrators. There is plenty of information that remains unexplored. But in our country it is difficult to investigate, because a private person cannot investigate.”

Q: Were you removed from your post and sidelined until you left the Judiciary Police because you were too close to finding the truth?

“No, no. I left the investigation, I was removed from the investigation because the case had to be dominated politically. Just that. Because I opposed the archiving. I told directors in the Police directly that I did not agree with the archiving. They suggested to me, they told me that there are processes, there are investigations that do not end, that have no result. And that I shouldn’t do a lot. That I should consider the case had ended. I always opposed that. That is why I left the investigation, not because I was close to anything. I don’t see my leaving as being the result of someone fearing anything. The question was that the case is political. Only politics. It’s politics that is driving this matter. When politics enters the investigations, when investigations are politically correct, we get nowhere.”

Q: Who do you think is the author of the crime?

“We can remain simply in the area of an accident. There’s people who are responsible. Those who were the guardians of the child certainly have some responsibility. What kind of responsibility, I don’t know.”

Q: Maybe in seven years we meet for another follow-up…

“It’s a cycle. Seven years are a cycle in people’s lives. So they say.”

Thanks, Dee for re-posting up.

Always good to read again.

Of course there was political interference at the beginning, to save embarrassment etc.

I just don't think that's the case now though.

I'm sorry to be pessimistic about the British investigation, but for me, all the signs point towards a cover-up. I can only hope, as pennylane has suggested, that the political will may now be changing, simply because the genie is so far out of the bottle due to social media, growing support for Goncalo and the failure of OG to reach a conclusion that will satisfy. The public hopefully will not be fobbed off with a non-conclusion.

Does anyone think that the McCanns may be "sacrificed" for the "greater good"? I.e., offer up the small-fry to keep the bigger secret under wraps? Just a thought.

My hopes still remain with the Portuguese investigation, assuming they are still working independently. But I became very depressed earlier on in the year when Joana Morais (I think it was) and Pat Brown both seemed to lose faith there too and said there was no will in Portugal to solve the case and the investigation there had stalled.

But who really knows? Time will tell, I hope!

@ Deecoy

"the Public Ministry, that has the investigation, should take that hair and send it to a lab in Europe or elsewhere, where that type of test is done, without the need for the root of the hair."

That's so true. I've been reading about it. Nowadays in fact the inside of the shaft of the hair gives better and more reliable DNA information. One can only hope, that the hair's still there and the new technique is being used.

BTW I cannot recall having posted, what you quoted in your post. But then, time flies whilst the days go slowly ... Anyway, I'm happy to read it again :-)

I just (personally) don't get this ''bigger secret" that the Mc's are involved in or with.

Mediocre NHS Docs will get protection. Initially and regardless.

Which of course they did and milked.

What a scandal at the time when G.B was taking the reigns.  'NHS doc's on the lash and one of the neglected kids dies'

..... In another country as well.

Of course they're going to try and shield and protect. Which they did. Later on though lots were quick to distance themselves as they knew the score.

However by that time, Team Mc evolved with millions behind them and wasn't as straight forward.

Hence the time and cost.

Dee Coy wrote:I'm sorry to be pessimistic about the British investigation, but for me, all the signs point towards a cover-up. I can only hope, as pennylane has suggested, that the political will may now be changing, simply because the genie is so far out of the bottle due to social media, growing support for Goncalo and the failure of OG to reach a conclusion that will satisfy. The public hopefully will not be fobbed off with a non-conclusion.

Does anyone think that the McCanns may be "sacrificed" for the "greater good"? I.e., offer up the small-fry to keep the bigger secret under wraps? Just a thought.

My hopes still remain with the Portuguese investigation, assuming they are still working independently. But I became very depressed earlier on in the year when Joana Morais (I think it was) and Pat Brown both seemed to lose faith there too and said there was no will in Portugal to solve the case and the investigation there had stalled.

But who really knows? Time will tell, I hope!

I really don't think it is wrong to be pessimistic Dee Coy, sadly to say it is the way this case has spanned out for all these years. As I have mentioned before my faith in this case being resolved lies with Dr. Amaral he had this case solved very
early on, and he has paid a high price for his diligence. I'm sure if there had not been any political interference from the U.K. we would not be here today. I also do not believe the McCanns are totally responsible for Madeleine's demise, as for them being sacrificed only time will tell. I do put my faith in Dr. Amaral though. Just my thoughts as ever.

I don't get this McCanns being sacrificed stuff...

Some ritual behind the scenes....

Sorry..

Andrew wrote:I don't get this McCanns being sacrificed stuff...

Some ritual behind the scenes....

Sorry..

Andrew, I think it is whether you believe or not, there has been a cover-up with ' The Powers That Be'.

Thanks, costello

Andrew, this next is pure theory and hypothesis, but bear with me.  Just say there has been a cover-up from day one because of something larger that was happening in Luz that week involving important people maybe connected in some way to the McCanns and the Tapas or perhaps quite seperate from them.

Madeleine's disappearance brought focus to the resort and the goings-on and the activity which needed to be concealed was threatened to become public. This is why the HO stepped in and the words "National Security" became associated with the case. The McCanns became the beneficiaries of this in that the protecion of them also meant the protection of the larger issue.

But now the case is too huge. Too many people - like us - have stuck their noses in and too much is known about the finer minutiae of the case for it to be whitewashed. OG has failed to provide a satisfactory solution - it is floundering. The greater secret is once more in jeopardy as people want answers and justice, for Maddie, Brenda and Goncalo. Something's got to give. By letting the McCanns stand trial for their part in this (if any) gives the questionners their closure and also retains the protection of whatever else was happening there.

That's what I mean by the McCanns being "sacrificed".

Once again, pure theory and hypothesis and just asking a question.

costello wrote:

Andrew wrote:I don't get this McCanns being sacrificed stuff...

Some ritual behind the scenes....

Sorry..

Andrew, I think it is whether you believe or not, there has been a cover-up with ' The Powers That Be'.

Ah, it is a Thursday....

So did or are the powers of be intending to stick the Mc's on a bbq or something...

Join forces with McDonald's...

A big fat McLie with a McSquirmy. A McCheeseburger with McFries.

I bet in the past someone from the McTeam has tried to knock on Ronald McDonalds door with some shite sales script, in order to collaborate team Mccann and Mcdonald.

Andrew, I think it is whether you believe or not, there has been a cover-up with ' The Powers That Be'.

Course there has, but it is more of the incompetent and stupidity variety early on. They're desperate, I think, to try and solve the case in such a way as to leave their mistakes out of it.

They probably underestimated time/cost and Social Media no doubt blindsided them.

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew, I think it is whether you believe or not, there has been a cover-up with ' The Powers That Be'.

Course there has, but it is more of the incompetent and stupidity variety early on. They're desperate, I think, to try and solve the case in such a way as to leave their mistakes out of it.

They probably underestimated time/cost and Social Media no doubt blindsided them.  

I understand that and agree. It was incompetent and embarrassingly so in the early stages. As you say stupid. And really stupid.

I just don't think that's the case now.

Both forces working very quietly in tandem to establish the truth and getting justice.

I can't see another route that they can go down now..

The route to truth

Dee Coy wrote:Thanks, costello

Andrew, this next is pure theory and hypothesis, but bear with me.  Just say there has been a cover-up from day one because of something larger that was happening in Luz that week involving important people maybe connected in some way to the McCanns and the Tapas or perhaps quite seperate from them.

Madeleine's disappearance brought focus to the resort and the goings-on and the activity which needed to be concealed was threatened to become public. This is why the HO stepped in and the words "National Security" became associated with the case. The McCanns became the beneficiaries of this in that the protecion of them also meant the protection of the larger issue.

But now the case is too huge. Too many people - like us - have stuck their noses in and too much is known about the finer minutiae of the case for it to be whitewashed. OG has failed to provide a satisfactory solution - it is floundering. The greater secret is once more in jeopardy as people want answers and justice, for Maddie, Brenda and Goncalo. Something's got to give. By letting the McCanns stand trial for their part in this (if any) gives the questionners their closure and also retains the protection of whatever else was happening there.

That's what I mean by the McCanns been "sacrificed".

Once again, pure theory and hypothesis and just asking a question.

Sorry, missed this post.

Yeah, again see where you're coming from.

I agree to an extent. Always thought that there was some non related stuff going on in the vicinity.. Casa Pia and a few big guns were very worried etc.

Although nothing connected to the Mc's. At all. Maybe the Mc's wanted to try and connect the disappearance to it...

Forgot what I'm saying, but the Mc's are on there own, have been for a while, and will continue to be so until the bitter end.

And it will be bitter. Them fighting for their lives.

It's the McConnection I'm struggling to see...

Ok, they had a few clued up friends, who had a few contacts and friends of friends...

Did Gerry have the prime minister on speed dial prior..

I don't think so.

Did he get his number afterwards in a blind panic, then yes.

G.B, the gullible sod would do anything to enhance his popularity. That was his golden chance. Although completely went wrong and he knew it so did his best to scupper it.

Can't have the new PM being suckered in by a couple of nobody docs.

What a total shambles and embarrassment that would be.

Would have to keep that hush for a while.............